Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[K_ick_God]

Don't kill me but I look at Russell I keep thinking S.Curry. Russell has two inches on him but both are built similar. I looked at Curry's freshman numbers, Russell's numbers are better thus far. Except PPG. Curry averaged two more points and Curry has him beat in free throw percentage.
Not saying he's going to be Curry but if he's a Knick we can hope.

This kid may see the floor better and have a natural feel that is superior. Nobody can beat Curry as a shooter -- just tie. But count me as someone who thinks Steph gets a bit overrated. He's a great shooter and good playmaker. Not a great playmaker and shooting is, at some level, overrated.

I'm starting to think we're just at the point where people say so many good things about Steph, that people just say stuff to balance it out.

People that think that Curry is anything less than a phenomenal passer are drunk and high at the same damn time

And he's the greatest shooter the game has ever seen. Stop it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oOYUUNd2Xl[/youtube]

I know it's weird that tese assessments of Curry's passing bother me as much as they do, but I just find it really laughable and dead ass wrong.

Sorry I don't see him as an elite playmaker.

[StephNYKurry]

Extremely tough test on the defensive end for Okafor tonight.

Notre Dame is almost exclusively a ball screen team and he'll have to cover a ton of P&R tonight.

[StephNYKurry]

Sorry I don't see him as an elite playmaker.

I see you as not knowledgeable about playmaking

[K_ick_God]

Sorry I don't see him as an elite playmaker.

I see you as not knowledgeable about playmaking

I see you as immature.

[bballoctober]

Okafor, the pick with the most upside in the draft.

[knickstape21]

Okafor, the pick with the most upside in the draft.

Nah.. most upside is Karl Towns.

Most NBA ready is Okafor, Russell, and Johnson.

[FemaleDogPlease]

No way I pass on Mudiay for Russel. Mudiay has the size and tools to be a problem on both sides.

[mpharris36]

No way I pass on Mudiay for Russel. Mudiay has the size and tools to be a problem on both sides.

You have seen this from highlight tapes? Russell is doing it night in and night out vs college talent which is better than the Chinese league.

Russell is the exact same size as Mudiay. The only thing Mudiay has over Russell is athleticism as far as ive seen and Russell has an NBA ready jump shot. Mudiay weakness is his outside shot.

[Upperclass]

I think you have to go with Russell here. He is imo, the impactful player in this upcoming draft. A more well-rounded guard than Mudiay. And wont negatively impact the game like an Okafor, who i feel will have trouble stopping guys and securing rebounds.

I dont think the Knicks will endup with the #1 overall anyway, but I would still do Russell over anyother player in this draft, at this point.

He looks like a smaller, but longer Penny Hardaway to me.

[E-Balla]

This kid may see the floor better and have a natural feel that is superior. Nobody can beat Curry as a shooter -- just tie. But count me as someone who thinks Steph gets a bit overrated. He's a great shooter and good playmaker. Not a great playmaker and shooting is, at some level, overrated.

I'm starting to think we're just at the point where people say so many good things about Steph, that people just say stuff to balance it out.

People that think that Curry is anything less than a phenomenal passer are drunk and high at the same damn time

And he's the greatest shooter the game has ever seen. Stop it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oOYUUNd2Xl[/youtube]

I know it's weird that tese assessments of Curry's passing bother me as much as they do, but I just find it really laughable and dead ass wrong.

Sorry I don't see him as an elite playmaker.

The problem is you saying his shooting is overrated. He's the best ever. Period. Point. Blank. He has the record for most 3s made in a season and at the rate he's going he's about to break the record from 2 point % for PGs. I agree with the passing thing though. Unless you are comparing him to non PG's he's nothing special.

[E-Balla]

I think you have to go with Russell here. He is imo, the impactful player in this upcoming draft. A more well-rounded guard than Mudiay. And wont negatively impact the game like an Okafor, who i feel will have trouble stopping guys and securing rebounds.

I dont think the Knicks will endup with the #1 overall anyway, but I would still do Russell over anyother player in this draft, at this point.

He looks like a smaller, but longer Penny Hardaway to me.

Penny was 6-7 with a 6-10 wingspan. Russell is 6-4.5 with a 6-9 wingspan. He's nowhere near as long or athletic as Penny he's be the top pick hands down if he was.

[FemaleDogPlease]

No way I pass on Mudiay for Russel. Mudiay has the size and tools to be a problem on both sides.

You have seen this from highlight tapes? Russell is doing it night in and night out vs college talent which is better than the Chinese league.

Russell is the exact same size as Mudiay. The only thing Mudiay has over Russell is athleticism as far as ive seen and Russell has an NBA ready jump shot. Mudiay weakness is his outside shot.

Mudiay had 30 pounds on Russell while still being more athletic.

That's going to make a difference in the NBA when it comes to finishing at the rim and defending.

[BeagleBoss]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrm7kmHSMWI[/youtube]

BEAST!

[mpharris36]

No way I pass on Mudiay for Russel. Mudiay has the size and tools to be a problem on both sides.

You have seen this from highlight tapes? Russell is doing it night in and night out vs college talent which is better than the Chinese league.

Russell is the exact same size as Mudiay. The only thing Mudiay has over Russell is athleticism as far as ive seen and Russell has an NBA ready jump shot. Mudiay weakness is his outside shot.

Mudiay had 30 pounds on Russell while still being more athletic.

That's going to make a difference in the NBA when it comes to finishing at the rim and defending.

Russell has put on some muscle since high school to college. Must places have him up to 180. So it really is only a 20 lbs difference. I am not comparing there ability to get to the rim. Mudiay obviously has the physical tools to get to the rim. But if he doesn't get a consistent jumper he will never get a chance to get to the rim.

He doesn't have Wall or Rose quickness either. Mudiay has more of a Tyreke Evans size and athleticism. With no shot he will have his struggles.

Russell shoots over 45% from 3, being the only creator for his team and shooting 6 and a half 3's per game. Lights out shooter.

If we get either I will be happy as both seem to have a bright future. But if I had to choose one or the other. Russell has shown a level of consistency I haven't seen out of a college freshman guard in a while.

[E-Balla]

Don't kill me but I look at Russell I keep thinking S.Curry. Russell has two inches on him but both are built similar. I looked at Curry's freshman numbers, Russell's numbers are better thus far. Except PPG. Curry averaged two more points and Curry has him beat in free throw percentage.
Not saying he's going to be Curry but if he's a Knick we can hope.

This kid may see the floor better and have a natural feel that is superior. Nobody can beat Curry as a shooter -- just tie. But count me as someone who thinks Steph gets a bit overrated. He's a great shooter and good playmaker. Not a great playmaker and shooting is, at some level, overrated.

Also Russell being a tie with Steph as a shooter is insane to expect. He's great but Stephen Curry was shooting 41% from deep on 9 3's a game as a freshman and over the next 2 years shot a combined 42% on 10+ threes a game. Never before seen anything like it. He was also 86% on freethrows as a freshman. I'd say Russell's J is good as Jeff Teague's before Curry's. That said Russell's size, handling, and passing advantage makes him a way better prospect than Curry was (I mean I was low on Curry because I didn't trust him as a PG).

[E-Balla]

Russell has put on some muscle since high school to college. Must places have him up to 180. So it really is only a 20 lbs difference. I am not comparing there ability to get to the rim. Mudiay obviously has the physical tools to get to the rim. But if he doesn't get a consistent jumper he will never get a chance to get to the rim.

He doesn't have Wall or Rose quickness either. Mudiay has more of a Tyreke Evans size and athleticism. With no shot he will have his struggles.

Russell shoots over 45% from 3, being the only creator for his team and shooting 6 and a half 3's per game. Lights out shooter.

If we get either I will be happy as both seem to have a bright future. But if I had to choose one or the other. Russell has shown a level of consistency I haven't seen out of a college freshman guard in a while.

Serious question but could you name a single freshman guard you've seen that was this good? **** in a while he's headed towards ever.

[NoLayupRule]

I don't know how anyone can realistically judge Mudiay

isn't he injured as well as being invisible playing in the china league?

[mpharris36]

Russell has put on some muscle since high school to college. Must places have him up to 180. So it really is only a 20 lbs difference. I am not comparing there ability to get to the rim. Mudiay obviously has the physical tools to get to the rim. But if he doesn't get a consistent jumper he will never get a chance to get to the rim.

He doesn't have Wall or Rose quickness either. Mudiay has more of a Tyreke Evans size and athleticism. With no shot he will have his struggles.

Russell shoots over 45% from 3, being the only creator for his team and shooting 6 and a half 3's per game. Lights out shooter.

If we get either I will be happy as both seem to have a bright future. But if I had to choose one or the other. Russell has shown a level of consistency I haven't seen out of a college freshman guard in a while.

Serious question but could you name a single freshman guard you've seen that was this good? **** in a while he's headed towards ever.

John Wall and Derrick Rose didn't have the impact this kid is having. What is more impressive is the ohio state team really doesn't have another NBA prospect on there team and Russell is doing this by himself knocking off all these really good teams almost going for triple double stats on a nightly basis.

The only freshman stats that are similar to his were Steph Curry. 21-5-3 his freshman year with 41% from deep.

But you got to take competition into a factor. Russell is doing this in a league known for low scoring and defense.

[E-Balla]

I don't know how anyone can realistically judge Mudiay

isn't he injured as well as being invisible playing in the china league?

No longer injured but he lost his spot on the team. Even when he was playing his jumper was super weak and so was his freethrow shooting (they were weak in HS too). We saw enough to see he's a athlete that can finish inside and to see that he can't shoot but outside of that we didn't see much of his playmaking. I wouldn't assume he's a better passer than Doc though because he's been going crazy with his vision and accuracy.

[Bklyn&company]

Haven't voted yet and won't until March... like Okafor, Russell, Towns etc.. and all the usually suspects except. ... Mudiay.. I just don't get all the hype about his game... he is athletic yes, but his jump shot is too shaky, not a good FT shooter and he is not really a playmaker, his defense is nothing special....Doing Ok in CBA doesn't mean sh*t... JR drop 63 before there, M.Beasly just drop 50+ this year... and Mudiay is injured... also in the US he played against a whole bunch of scrubs teams... dude is over hype.

The combine, interviews and private workouts are going to tell where he goes. He is in my top 10 right now but not my top five... there have been so many guards in the past like him that have turn into average bench players at most or have found themselves out of the league...he could be a bust easily.... Im not taking that chance with a top five pick.. I'll rather pick the average big with 10+yr NBA starter potential...

IMO..Phil picks best available player..