We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II

[gipper08]

Um....

Larry Johnson
Baron Davis
Jamal Mashburn
Eddie Jones
Kelly Tripucka
Kendall Gill
Gerald Wallace
Stephen Jackson
Kemba Walker
Al Jefferson

those are just the obvious guys who had more "scoring potential" as a Hornet/Bobcat

you could also add guys like...

Rex Chapman
Ricky Davis
Derrick Coleman
Dell Curry

We are talking potential here right? Harold Miner had more scoring potential than Stockton but I am pretty sure stockton scored more. lol.

Ask Larry bird who has more scoring potential among your list.

just so we are clear, can you specifically tell me which guys on my list you think had less scoring potential than Lance Stephenson when they were in their mid 20s?

Coleman had more BUT NOT on the Hornets.
BD would be close
Mash would be the closest(but Mash and BD both reached close to their potential)
Jackson was done by CHA

So all of them.

look Lance's scoring potential is 25 ppg for the next five years(not on the Hornets). Will he reach it? no.

Even if Lance got on the right team and got his act together and dominated he still would not reach his potential 25ppg because of his assist desire. He would be like 19 7 7 on 48%....if he was on the Pacers this year then worst case was 16 6 and 6 on 42% but he could have got to 18 7 7 this year on the pacers, imo

[gipper08]

Heck Morrison had more scoring potential than Wallace,R.Davis, Gill, Walker and Jones.

[mrknowitall215]

look Lance's scoring potential is 25 ppg for the next five years(not on the Hornets). Will he reach it? no.

Well, at least you knew the answer

[MPM]

Heck Morrison had more scoring potential than Wallace,R.Davis, Gill, Walker and Jones.

I remember AMMO dropping 28 or so on prime Bruce Bowen - was 100% sure he was breaking out.

[gipper08]

look Lance's scoring potential is 25 ppg for the next five years(not on the Hornets). Will he reach it? no.

Well, at least you knew the answer

Most likely scenario is he is out of the rotation at years end and you can't dump him and next season you waive him.

[DY_nasty]

I am saying he has potential. If you don't see it then why waste your time debating Lance Stephenson? You could be getting more.

Speaking for myself, I do see potential. I also see a guy that is and has been pretty useless this year when we play good teams. I'm not going to say that he should get a pass based on what he did last year. He needs to prove that he can buy in to what we have going on here.

in lance's defense

the whole team has played like crap for the most part and the team has drastcally changed its playstyle twice this season on top of him being hurt

but i'm not really taking a side here

[gipper08]

Heck Morrison had more scoring potential than Wallace,R.Davis, Gill, Walker and Jones.

I remember AMMO dropping 28 or so on prime Bruce Bowen - was 100% sure he was breaking out.

Its a fine line. he could HAVE! He is one of those different guys like Lance, like Lynch. Fragile personalities with eccentricities. There was a 80% chance of Morrison ending up like he did but he had a small chance of being good or even great.

Embiid is next on the high talent weird personality front.(being 7-1 helps overcome though)

[LamarMatic7]

look Lance's scoring potential is 25 ppg for the next five years(not on the Hornets). Will he reach it? no.

Well, at least you knew the answer

well, hey, at least Lance will have always have his 50ppg averages in Pro-Am leagues

[gipper08]

look Lance's scoring potential is 25 ppg for the next five years(not on the Hornets). Will he reach it? no.

Well, at least you knew the answer

well, hey, at least Lance will have always have his 50ppg averages in Pro-Am leagues

2 ECFs and 18 million dollars ...18 million




(though not always for sure , though he seemed to be good with money, in INDY he drove a 300 Chrysler)


wait how do I know what he always drove?? Thats right! The pro-Am!!!!

[fatlever]

We are talking potential here right? Harold Miner had more scoring potential than Stockton but I am pretty sure stockton scored more. lol.

Ask Larry bird who has more scoring potential among your list.

just so we are clear, can you specifically tell me which guys on my list you think had less scoring potential than Lance Stephenson when they were in their mid 20s?

Coleman had more BUT NOT on the Hornets.
BD would be close
Mash would be the closest(but Mash and BD both reached close to their potential)
Jackson was done by CHA

So all of them.

look Lance's scoring potential is 25 ppg for the next five years(not on the Hornets). Will he reach it? no.

Even if Lance got on the right team and got his act together and dominated he still would not reach his potential 25ppg because of his assist desire. He would be like 19 7 7 on 48%....if he was on the Pacers this year then worst case was 16 6 and 6 on 42% but he could have got to 18 7 7 this year on the pacers, imo

How can I continue to even argue with you about an opinion of a grey topic such as "potential". You have your mind made up. I think you are living in a Lance fantasy world. I do not agree at all with you opinions on the scoring potential of previous Hornets/Bobcats related to what I believe is Lance's scoring potential.

I don't know your age and background enough to make assumptions about how much you actually watched those past Hornets or how much you even cared about this franchise before this summer. I can tell you that I have been a die-hard Hornets since 1988 and I have seen about 99% of all Hornets/Bobcats televised games + about 300 games in person. I know all those players I mentioned extremely well and I know what their perceived scoring potential was at the time they were with the franchise.

So I guess this conversation is pointless.

[gipper08]

How can I continue to even argue with you about an opinion of a grey topic such as "potential". You have your mind made up. I think you are living in a Lance fantasy world. I do not agree at all with you opinions on the scoring potential of previous Hornets/Bobcats related to what I believe is Lance's scoring potential.

I don't know your age and background enough to make assumptions about how much you actually watched those past Hornets or how much you even cared about this franchise before this summer. I can tell you that I have been a die-hard Hornets since 1988 and I have seen about 99% of all Hornets/Bobcats televised games + about 300 games in person. I know all those players I mentioned extremely well and I know what their perceived scoring potential was at the time they were with the franchise.

So I guess this conversation is pointless.

You seem hornet hurt. Yes the franchise has not had a big list of players.We do not have to agree (fwiw I still have my uncut 1990 Pizza Hut Hornet cards)

You could have simply said what you think his scoring "potential" is. Maybe for you it was last year's 13.8. I give a number you give a number and we are done. That is the simplest way without degrading the history of the Hornets and forcing you to compare.

[fatlever]

If you would have asked me about Lance's scoring potential this summer I would have probably said it was close to about 18-19 ppg, assuming he continued to grow as a player, building off last year and also being a #2 option on offense. However, now I am inclined to think that his true potential is closer to about 15-16 ppg.

maybe there will be some situations in his future where he could exceed that, for example, landing on a high tempo team, surrounded by shooters, and coach who is counting on him driving the lane many times a game for points. However, even then, like you said, he'd still be more inclined to pass first which limits his scoring potential.

He isn't a good shooter, doesn't seem to draw a lot of fouls, seems very right hand dominant, lacks a soft touch around the rim, has terrible instincts outside of passing and has a pass first mentality. not exactly the recipe for a high scorer.

and maybe, one day we will find out that his groin injury was 10 times more severe than we ever knew and he'll get totally healthy and all of a sudden become a 20 ppg scorer. if that happens you have my permission to give me **** about it.

[fatlever]

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before the season started I predicted Lance would average 15ppg.

[yosemiteben]

look Lance's scoring potential is 25 ppg for the next five years(not on the Hornets). Will he reach it? no.

Well, at least you knew the answer

Most likely scenario is he is out of the rotation at years end and you can't dump him and next season you waive him.

You really think the most likely scenario for Lance is that he's waived? You think they're going to buy him out and just eat a $9M cap hit?

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol. Looks like I missed a nice little back and forth today. He's been a huge disappointment. I really have nothing of substance to really add that hasn't already been said other than that.

[gipper08]

Well, at least you knew the answer

Most likely scenario is he is out of the rotation at years end and you can't dump him and next season you waive him.

You really think the most likely scenario for Lance is that he's waived? You think they're going to buy him out and just eat a $9M cap hit?

Well. The most likely is that he is out of the rotation year end, imo.

CHA may be able to dump him in the summer but unless you are willing to give him away, I don't see it....then you are stuck with him(if in fact he is DNP every game year end)

Lance has been on his best behavior and I don't see that holding up...as I said before he is like Artest (not literally this bad)after the initial Wallace confrontation laying on the table TRYING to maintain(then here comes the cup)...I see an incident setting him off after the deadline if not dealt. IMO, he is hoping to get dealt.

After the deadline I can see him and Clifford and AL(Al has to be feeling a little insecure now) having problems. His shooting will not improve at this rate with this approach and if in contention Cliff will bench him and out of Playoff contention Clifford will mess with him(imo). He won't be happy after the deadline.

Give him away now to IND or BKY. No one wanted him as a risk with talent that could serviceably shoot. A year later he is a higher risk with less perceived talent who can't shoot.

I don't think this will end well.

[Hornet Mania]

Um....

Larry Johnson
Baron Davis
Jamal Mashburn
Eddie Jones
Kelly Tripucka
Kendall Gill
Gerald Wallace
Stephen Jackson
Kemba Walker
Al Jefferson

those are just the obvious guys who had more "scoring potential" as a Hornet/Bobcat

you could also add guys like...

Rex Chapman
Ricky Davis
Derrick Coleman
Dell Curry

Don't forget my man Glen Rice. GOAT scorer in Charlotte history, imo. If I need points I'm taking 97 Glen Rice, hand-down. I think Eddie Robinson had sneaky-good potential as well, too bad he flamed out in Chicago. I might be overrating him though, he was my favorite player as a teenager and one of the few I ever met in person to boot so I'm a fanboy for life.

It's kind of surprising that a Lance fan would tout his scoring potential. I always thought his best attribute would be the all-around game and being able to have someone other than Kemba facilitate for once.

[W_HAMILTON]

Don't forget my man Glen Rice. GOAT scorer in Charlotte history, imo. If I need points I'm taking 97 Glen Rice, hand-down. I think Eddie Robinson had sneaky-good potential as well, too bad he flamed out in Chicago. I might be overrating him though, he was my favorite player as a teenager and one of the few I ever met in person to boot so I'm a fanboy for life.

It's kind of surprising that a Lance fan would tout his scoring potential. I always thought his best attribute would be the all-around game and being able to have someone other than Kemba facilitate for once.

I was starting to wonder if I jumped realities and ended up in a world where Glen Rice never existed......

[Hornet Mania]

Don't forget my man Glen Rice. GOAT scorer in Charlotte history, imo. If I need points I'm taking 97 Glen Rice, hand-down. I think Eddie Robinson had sneaky-good potential as well, too bad he flamed out in Chicago. I might be overrating him though, he was my favorite player as a teenager and one of the few I ever met in person to boot so I'm a fanboy for life.

It's kind of surprising that a Lance fan would tout his scoring potential. I always thought his best attribute would be the all-around game and being able to have someone other than Kemba facilitate for once.

I was starting to wonder if I jumped realities and ended up in a world where Glen Rice never existed......

To be fair it was a pretty thorough list, even missing Rice. I mainly commented to keep the Eddie Robinson flame alive.

[Liver_Pooty]

Don't forget my man Glen Rice. GOAT scorer in Charlotte history, imo. If I need points I'm taking 97 Glen Rice, hand-down. I think Eddie Robinson had sneaky-good potential as well, too bad he flamed out in Chicago. I might be overrating him though, he was my favorite player as a teenager and one of the few I ever met in person to boot so I'm a fanboy for life.

It's kind of surprising that a Lance fan would tout his scoring potential. I always thought his best attribute would be the all-around game and being able to have someone other than Kemba facilitate for once.

I was starting to wonder if I jumped realities and ended up in a world where Glen Rice never existed......

To be fair it was a pretty thorough list, even missing Rice. I mainly commented to keep the Eddie Robinson flame alive.

I thought that kid was the next big thing