2015-2016 Dream Lineup

[number1joker]

My dream lineup has LeBron opting out and joining the Knicks.

it may seem glamerous. but u dont want lequit on ur team.

the grass is always greener on the other side

[brooklynoxy]

I thought the Knicks were currently at about 30 mil with Calderon but before signing the first round pick (which is 4.7 mil if #1). So that's more like 25 million free and with Calderon gone 32 mil. They can get another 1 million by dropping Prigs.

It's talked about here:
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/ ... ap-outlook

I'd love to see other reports that we are already at 33 million - then if we got rid of Calderon we'd be close to 40 mil...

This is just one of many sources that put the Knicks at $32 million-$33 million for 2015. This figure doesn't even consider a Stat buyout, a Jose Calderon trade, and accounts for all of the cap holds….

http://nypost.com/2014/07/17/how-j-r-sm ... e-in-2015/

This seems to be slightly more optimistic but really very similar - it was written before the season, so a top 4 pick wasn't included

32 mil minus 4.7 mil (1st round pick) = 27.3 mil

27.3 mil + 7 mil (Calderon leaving) = 34.3 mil

So knicks get an extra 1.3 mil in this writeup compared to the other

Here the writeup is more conservative predicting 24 mil with Calderon and 31 mil without:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2331 ... pping-list

This is very detailed and looks accurate, putting us as having 29 mil with Calderon and 36 mil without!
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=49015

I don't see how buying out STAT has any impact on space next year, either way he's off the books...

I never pretended to be Larry Coon, but I generally ascribe to those sources that are not based on kids pretending to understand the way a team's salary is structured i.e. Bleacher Reports, Sky Hoops, or whatever. The sources I look at are based on the majority of assessments that put the Knicks available cap monies at or around $33 million for July 2015.

We must all remember that the NBA Salary Cap has not even been established for the 2015-2016 season yet. Most CBA scribes have expressed that the NBA Cap will be $66.5 Million per team.

If the variance of my figure is within a million dollars of some other person's guesstimate, than so be it. Most of the sites I have read do not include Jose Calderon being traded in the next few months—and this is something quite feasible and something that should occur. Also, bear in mind that nearly every report does not include the trades of Shumpert and JR Smith. Dalembert was waived before his contract became part of next years payroll. The Knicks acquisitions this year—Calderon is an exception—were players with a team option for 2015-16 or were players who either had partial guarantees or no assurances whatsoever for next season.

I have seen New York's cap range from $17,000,000 to near $40,000,000. This variance is evident in the sources any of our Knick comrades have presented on this board as well as in sports media.

To figure this out, the NBA has to first hammer out what the league-wide numbers will be. None of us know this, although most of what people have written seem to be close to what the Knicks will have to spend on free agents during summer 2016.

I happened to listen to ESPN a few days back regarding Amar'es possible buy-out and its effect on this years' end of the seasons numbers. My understanding is that there will be a savings for New York IF Stat opts for this type of termination of his contract—New York's payroll will be lessoned by the remainder of what Stoudemire's yearly salary is, post buy-out. The Knicks can negotiate a $5 million dollar buy-out (as an example) with Stat, yet Amar'e is leaving more on the table. New York would not have to pay for this player's "extra" unused money—hence, it is removed from this year's Knicks salary.

HoopsHype, in my opinion, represents the Knicks Cap for 2015-2016 in the most detailed and accurate manner possible:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

[fresko024]

You must not like championship basketball then. He's a top 10 top shooter at his position and top defender.

any guy who plays good defense on LeBron James in the NBA finals isn't "mediocre"

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Theres no such thing as overpaying for Green, he's not a max player, but he would be perfect at 8-10 million. much rather have that then invest the max into guys who would just be role players in NY next to Melo. (Butler and Leonard)

and a big man should be priority in this free agency. Not a wing.

Knicks have the worst big man depth in the NBA. We need to pull someone from free agency and draft one also to add depth and secure Melo from guarding centers and PFs. that takes too much on his body.

I hear you but I'd much rather have Leonard or Butler, who are much younger than all of the bigs coming out in FA.

Leonard was the MVP of that finals just in case you forgot, it wasn't Green.

Leonard, Butler, Green; either or would be massive additions to the Knicks. We need more two way players and that would improve the team.
I don't
Green had a great series and broke some records in that Finals and was a key part in shutting LeBron down. If Knicks land Milsap or Gasol, I think it would best to save money and get the cheaper option in Green.

Landing both of those guys would be nice but highly unlikely. Word is both of those guys re-sign with their respective teams.

Green is a decent player but he is not on the same level as Butler or Leonard, but like you said it depends on who we land in FA.

[Thorn]

C: Marc Gasol ($15,829,688) / Jahlil Okafor / Timofey Mozgov
PF: Kevin Love ($16,744,219) / Brandon Bass / Travis Wear
SF: Cleanthony Early / Thanasis Antetokounmpo
SG: Aron Affalo - ($8,000) / Tim Hardaway Jr. ($1,304,520)
PG: Dragic / Jose Calderon ($7,402,812) / Langston Galloway ($845,059)

Cap: $66.3 million

I need to look at the numbers a bit more, and give it some though but this is a work in progress.

I am going to need to plug in Salary numbers against projection and fine tune a bit, anyone have solid salary figures on anyone that is locked in?

I am not sold right now, but this to me appears a reasonable best case scenario, it of course hinges on a trade with Cleveland which I am advocating elsewhere (Melo and Cole for Love and Moz). I am pretty sure everyone else is a free agent, or in our system.

Now I need to check defensive, and offensive balance (addition of Bass and Affalo help there)to ensure we have a solid balance but this appears to be a team that could thrive in the triangle and play team first basketball.

Solid interior presence in Marc, solid big PF next to him in Love who can get you a double double most nights when he returns to form.

Decent off season supporting cast additions, and representation/reliance on some homegrown talent.

Also of note the team is big heavy, and we may have to work a sign and trade here or there and that could reshape things, however this is best case scenario, except I factored in having to keep Jose for next season as I do not think anyone wants him... for realism.

[bigfnjoe96]

We are not signing 2 guys at near MAX this off season. We are signing 1 player at near MAX


The issue lies in what position SG,PF or C. Also it's been said who we draft will be an indicator of who we are targeting in FA.


If we trade Calderon, I think we draft Big and sign Dragic and Affalo via FA (Total of about 22M)


Dragic
Affalo
Melo
Okafer/ Jason Smith
Lopez/ Okafer


If we keep Calderon, I think we draft D Russ and sign 2 BIGS via FA Green and D Jordan (Total of about 25M)


Calderon
D Russ
Melo
Green
Lopez

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[Pharmcat]

monroe and thompson pretty much turned down 4 yr 60M offers....all these guys are looking for the max and will get it

teams are desperate, teams have money, it will happen.....the best thing NY can do is open more capspace by trading calderon to factor in the overpaying

[Jose7]

Phil. Go get me Robin Lopez. He's gonna be 27, entering the prime of his career. Do it all big who's been extremely durable.. That's my guy. I hope he's our #1 target behind the big time players.

[Milk]

C: Jahlil Okafor
PF: Robin Lopez or a cheap defensive and cleaner type PF (doubt we can afford Draymond Green, he'll probably get the max)
SF: Carmelo Anthony
SG: Wesley Matthews or Danny Green
PG: Goran Dragic

Is what I'm hoping for.
The remainder of the salary would be invested in the bench, to make it good/decent.

[E-Balla]

JR Smith is a career 37% 3pt shooter, that comparison is weightless.
Your last sentence may have to be one of the least intelligent things I read on this website. Danny Green shoots as good as anyone in the NBA not named Kyle Korver, Nash, Stephen Curry or Klay Thompson. I don't think you understand statistics or basketball games well, and Manu Ginboili doesn't play a lot of minutes either in San Antonio, thats just Pop system. So that comment you made about "Danny Green can't play a lot of minutes" gets blown up. Manu would been playing 35-38 minutes in any other organization earlier in his career, but Pops always utilized Manu as a bench guy.

Sorry man, the Danny Green downplaying isn't working. Especially when you're trying to downplay one of the attributes he's ELITE at. Top 10 shooter in the NBA.

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He hits them when they count, bench clutch for SA. Proven player. We'll be lucky to have him.

He shot 70% in the NBA finals. But yea, he's inconsistent. He needs shoot 80% 3pt according to you.

Danny Green has played 52 games this year. He's hit more than 2 3s only 32 times (so again my 60/40 split was about right).
Kyle Korver has hit 2 or more 43 of his 52 games, Klay in 44 out of 50 games, and Curry in 39 of 50 games. Wes Matthews hit 2 or more threes in 44 out of 52 games. Basically if you look around the league at guys attempting 5 threes a game and hitting at least 38% of the Danny Green has the most games under 2 threes made. That makes him inconsistent. He's a very good player that definitely above average but for all this talk about guys flourishing in systems I think Danny Green is a major example of just that. Even in his career season (which is this season right now) he can't hit shots consistently enough to be a threat in 75% of the games he plays and when he can't hit his shots he's useless.

Danny Green shoots more than consistently. He's amongst the leaders in the NBA the last 4 seasons in 3pt %. He's very accurate from that range. I don't think you knew about his 41% 3PT career shooting, so I think you're trying to clean up the spilled milk here. You may have thought Green was a 37% shooter like JR. Danny Green is amongst the best in the NBA.

Danny Green doesn't play 30+ minutes like the other guys you listed, so ranking him against guys who get more shot opportunities is weightless and holds no point. Danny Green is purely consistent at making shots when he needs to make them.

Theres no on the Spurs that takes a **** of shots, that's not a team you expect someone to average 25 ppg, well not anymore since Duncan and Parker aren't in their prime, that team has about 3-4 SG/SF who play 20 minutes a game. I think we all know the Spurs rely on depth and that's what Danny Green can do for us plus more since he's experienced with a winning culture.


Even if Danny Green isn't hitting a shot(which is rare since he's one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA), he's a top 3 defender at his position. He can guard point guards, shooting guards, and small forwards. He is what we were hoping Shumpert would develop into plus more. Two way player. Never useless.

Danny Green plays 30.3 minutes a night first off. Secondly his 3 point attempts (not his minutes) matter when comparing his consistency and if he is over 5 attempts a game (he's at 6) he's fair game in a comparison to these guys.

Also if you're just going to ignore my post to project your own insecurities on me that's fine. I clearly looked up the amount of games everyone over 5 attempts a game and 38% have with over 2 threes a game and Danny Green has the lowest percentage of games hitting multiple threes of everyone that meets those requirements. That makes him inconsistent. I know he's a 40+% guy that doesn't make him consistent it just means that when he's on he's on.

Danny Green not hitting shots isn't rare it literally has happened in 38.5% of the games he's played this year (again if you took the time to read my post you would've seen that). Now I will say I wasn't thinking about his defense. I wouldn't pay him 8-10 mil a year anyway but you are right in saying he is one of the top defensive SGs (saying he's the top over Tony Allen, Eric Bledsoe, etc. is crazy though).

[E-Balla]

My dream lineup has LeBron opting out and joining the Knicks.

it may seem glamerous. but u dont want lequit on ur team.

the grass is always greener on the other side

I'm tired of you bitter Heat fans. He gave you 2 rings STFU, eat a dick, and GTFO.

[number1joker]

My dream lineup has LeBron opting out and joining the Knicks.

it may seem glamerous. but u dont want lequit on ur team.

the grass is always greener on the other side

I'm tired of you bitter Heat fans. He gave you 2 rings STFU, eat a dick, and GTFO.

i spit on those 2 rings and dismiss the last 4 years

buying a NBA title isnt as glorious as it seems

[Apples]

Dream?

Towns
Monroe
Anthony
Leonard
Russell

[fresko024]

Dream?

Towns
Monroe
Anthony
Leonard
Russell

Two rookies tho?

[Jeff Van Gully]

i'm a towns fan, and i'm liking what i'm seeing from russell. i would also dig mudiay... but here's my dream.

gasol
okafor
melo
green
calderon (might be the best option if he's not traded)

being more realistic about FAs who are likely not leaving their teams... and again, getting #1 overall

okafor
melo
matthews
green
dragic

we would have to convince matthews to take 12, green 8, dragic around 14. this would be after having found a taker for calderon.

even looking at that lineup on paper, i question the toughness at three positions. if millsap would entertain leaving the hawks, i'd drop paper on that man.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i do not believe in monroe. his talent is apparent. but consistent effort has not proven his strong suit. though, if phil has his eye on him, i trust that he sees something. swinging jimmy butler would be a game-changer at the wing. i just don't want to max him out. i wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

butler and millsap would be the two players i'm most interested in bringing in if we could move calderon and somehow get the money to work. drafting okafor with them...

okafor
millsap
melo
butler
whoever. galloway.

even if we don't get #1 and put towns, russell, or mudiay into that mix... man... we'd be scary.

...now THAT is something I would love to see. and if they'd both take something in the $15m neighborhood... squad!

[Scalabrine]

I would be happy with:

Gasol, Aldridge, or Butler for the max

Monroe, Dray. Green, Dragic, Milsap for anything under 14

Mathews, Dan Green, Afflalo, Carrol, Harris, Jackson for anything under 11

Amir, Lopez, Koufos, Thompson, Wright for anything under 8

I will not be a happy camper if were the suckers to sign: DeAndre Jordan, Al Jefferson, Roy Hibbert, Rajon Rondo, Luol Deng, Tyson Chandler to the contracts that they will be asking for.

[DickGrayson]

Landing both of those guys would be nice but highly unlikely. Word is both of those guys re-sign with their respective teams.

Green is a decent player but he is not on the same level as Butler or Leonard, but like you said it depends on who we land in FA.

Green arguably the best 3 and D player in the league and he's starting to show signs of more. He is also pretty clutch.
He is top 5 in the league in +/- among shooting guards.

I rather the Knicks get 3 good players + a draft pick, than just 2.
Players get injured, we need as much depth as possible.

[Reign23]

I've thought about 100 different lineups and still don't know....
towns/okafor/russell/mudiay/harris/monroe/da.green/matthews/asik/afflalo/lopez/Carroll

if we can get any 3 players of the above (obv looking at positions and offense/defense)to put alongside Melo/Calderon(if hes not traded)/Tim(same)/Galloway/thomas/amundson with a few decent bargain signings we will be pretty good I think.

We have no shot at gasol,aldridge (unless the drop out of the playoffs in the first round), leonard, draymond green, butler (any offer will be matched..)
And if we trade jose you can put dragic/r.jackson/beverly on that list too. we just can wait and think about lineups over and over and over again

[Thugger HBC]

it may seem glamerous. but u dont want lequit on ur team.

the grass is always greener on the other side

I'm tired of you bitter Heat fans. He gave you 2 rings STFU, eat a dick, and GTFO.

i spit on those 2 rings and dismiss the last 4 years

buying a NBA title isnt as glorious as it seems

Nobody is playing for free. All titles are bought.

[fresko024]

Landing both of those guys would be nice but highly unlikely. Word is both of those guys re-sign with their respective teams.

Green is a decent player but he is not on the same level as Butler or Leonard, but like you said it depends on who we land in FA.

Green arguably the best 3 and D player in the league and he's starting to show signs of more. He is also pretty clutch.
He is top 5 in the league in +/- among shooting guards.

I rather the Knicks get 3 good players + a draft pick, than just 2.
Players get injured, we need as much depth as possible.

i can't disagree with that