Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[FAH1223]

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[TGW]

Anyway we can get Dragic? He would be a much needed offensive upgrade for this team, whether as a starter or off the bench. I'd be willing to go as far as to offer Porter.

[Wizardspride]

Anyway we can get Dragic? He would be a much needed offensive upgrade for this team, whether as a starter or off the bench. I'd be willing to go as far as to offer Porter.

And then you're going to give him a max deal?

[FAH1223]

Anyway we can get Dragic? He would be a much needed offensive upgrade for this team, whether as a starter or off the bench. I'd be willing to go as far as to offer Porter.

You are aware he's a free agent?

PHX wants a lot for him too.

[WallToWall]

So Amare is gone. Mavs get a backup C.

[hands11]

I know the idea of Sander is interesting but ask yourself this. Would you want to go into the playoffs with him as a center piece to your team. Can you trust he will be there or suspended. And can you envision winning a title or ECFs with him on the court.

Well, in my scenario, Sanders isn't the "centerpiece". Basically, I'm trading a 30-year-old Gortat with a $12M per year contract for Sanders + Thomas + Morris, all of whom are under 26 and signed cheaply. We'd have a year-and-a-half to get Sanders buy into our long term philosophy. Pierce and Nene would remain as veteran mentors until 2016.

The centerpiece is still Durant (and Wall).

Ahh. I didn't see KD in your line up. I saw Otto, Marcus Morris and Sanders.

I gotta say... No way they would bring him here. Nor would I. This team is just getting on track. You don't bring a problem like Sanders into your house. Gortat is not a player I would move for Sanders. And Gortats contract is not a problem. And with the increased cap, its going to be less and less of one.

[FAH1223]

I'd trade our 2016 first, but not our 2015. We really need that pick to be a good one who will hopefully grow into a cheap contributing player by his second season in 2016.

So: 2016 1st + Miller + Blair for Thomas. Make it so.

Isaiah solves a lot of problems for us. Bench scorer? Check. Quality backup PG to give Wall some rest? Check. Good enough shooter to steal some SG minutes alongside Wall? Check. Young? Check. Better end-of-quarter iso scorer than Wall? Check.

I'd love that trade.

Isaiah is only 25 and is just what this team needs.

[payitforward]

Sanders: I think this guy needs some time to get his head (and his life) together if he can. He doesn't need to be playing basketball, being on the road facing constant temptations, etc.

If he makes it, he's obviously capable of being a terrific player. Even better than that, if he makes it he has a chance to stay alive and have a long, healthy life.

[Dark Faze]

Any word on Mek? Wasn't he supposed to be looking for a return after the all-star break?

If we could find a way to swing him...and adding a 2016 first for Isaiah...mannnnn that would rock. We could then draft a future big man with our pick this year. Maybe we could throw in Seraphin in our IT trade since they want a big man. Blair as well potentially.

Wall/IT
Beal/Rasual
Truth/Otto/Web
Nene/Hump
Gortat/Mek

And IT can get as many shots he wants with that second unit.

ERNIE PLS

[payitforward]

I'd trade our 2016 first, but not our 2015. We really need that pick to be a good one who will hopefully grow into a cheap contributing player by his second season in 2016.

So: 2016 1st + Miller + Blair for Thomas. Make it so.

Isaiah solves a lot of problems for us. Bench scorer? Check. Quality backup PG to give Wall some rest? Check. Good enough shooter to steal some SG minutes alongside Wall? Check. Young? Check. Better end-of-quarter iso scorer than Wall? Check.

I'd love that trade.

Isaiah is only 25 and is just what this team needs.

He's "just what this team needs" -- in order to do what?

Don't get me wrong -- IT is very good, and I love that he's tied up through the next several years. If anything, that trade is biased in our direction. Essentially you're asking to acquire him for a mid-to-late R1 pick 2 years from now. Phoenix ought to be able to do better than that!

Anyway, I don't think he'd much want to be here. Wall plays 36 minutes a game. Even if we found a a little more PT for Thomas, why would he want to understudy JW? He plays almost 26 minutes a game in Phoenix. He'll want to be somewhere that allows him that much time or more.

Trading away another R1 pick -- either 2015 or 2016 -- is not a great idea anyway. We have a very old team as it is, and we have very few assets beyond next season. We need to have more young guys to develop, and the draft is the best place to get them.

[nate33]

I think Thomas would get 26 minutes here. Wall's minutes would drop down to about 34, leaving Thomas with 14 a game at PG. He'd only need to steal another 12 minutes a game at SG alongside Wall. At with Beal's fragility, Thomas is probably going to start about 15 games a year during which his 37 or so minutes per game will pull up his season's average.

I agree that the likelihood of Phoenix doing this is somewhat low. It'll depend on how much they value the cap flexibility of Miller's expiring contract. I suppose we could give them Seraphin in place of Blair.

[dckingsfan]

Feb. 19th at 3 p.m. EST - not much time left...

[nate33]

Hmmm. After reading some Isaiah Thomas threads on the trade board, I'm more inclined to believe that Thomas could indeed be acquired for peanuts. Miller and a future 1st seems to be a better offer than what most non-Phoenix fans are contemplating. The consensus is that he's a decent player, but not enough better than the Aaron Brooks and DJ Augustines of the league to be worth the extra price tag.

[FAH1223]

I'd trade our 2016 first, but not our 2015. We really need that pick to be a good one who will hopefully grow into a cheap contributing player by his second season in 2016.

So: 2016 1st + Miller + Blair for Thomas. Make it so.

Isaiah solves a lot of problems for us. Bench scorer? Check. Quality backup PG to give Wall some rest? Check. Good enough shooter to steal some SG minutes alongside Wall? Check. Young? Check. Better end-of-quarter iso scorer than Wall? Check.

I'd love that trade.

Isaiah is only 25 and is just what this team needs.

He's "just what this team needs" -- in order to do what?

Don't get me wrong -- IT is very good, and I love that he's tied up through the next several years. If anything, that trade is biased in our direction. Essentially you're asking to acquire him for a mid-to-late R1 pick 2 years from now. Phoenix ought to be able to do better than that!

Anyway, I don't think he'd much want to be here. Wall plays 36 minutes a game. Even if we found a a little more PT for Thomas, why would he want to understudy JW? He plays almost 26 minutes a game in Phoenix. He'll want to be somewhere that allows him that much time or more.

Trading away another R1 pick -- either 2015 or 2016 -- is not a great idea anyway. We have a very old team as it is, and we have very few assets beyond next season. We need to have more young guys to develop, and the draft is the best place to get them.

Thomas is just what the team needs because we don't have a legit combo guard who can play with Wall/Beal. He is a scorer, he is more clutch than our guards, he forces the issue, and he provides great depth on a good contract.

Like nate said, Beal is fragile and probably shouldn't play more than 30 minutes. Wall's minutes could be staggered a bit as well. Isaiah could definitely get his 25 minutes here since he's easily better than all the other trash we have.

I doubt PHX does it anyway but if they get desperate to keep Dragic over Thomas, I'd try to get a feeler for it. (which may happen since Woj is reporting the Suns want to re-sign Dragic).

I hate trading draft picks too. But I'd think long and hard about it. Isaiah isn't an old player and makes this team younger.

[payitforward]

I think Thomas would get 26 minutes here. Wall's minutes would drop down to about 34, leaving Thomas with 14 a game at PG. He'd only need to steal another 12 minutes a game at SG alongside Wall. At with Beal's fragility, Thomas is probably going to start about 15 games a year during which his 37 or so minutes per game will pull up his season's average.

IT is 5'10", so I question how effective he'd be at the 2, but it's speculation on both our parts....

I agree that the likelihood of Phoenix doing this is somewhat low. It'll depend on how much they value the cap flexibility of Miller's expiring contract. I suppose we could give them Seraphin in place of Blair.

I'd *rather* give them Seraphin! Can we give them both guys and get Plumlee back too? Even more cap flexibility...

In truth tho, there has to be a better deal available for IT than what we can offer.

[miller31time]

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/02/17/wizard ... ah-thomas/

Well at least the idea of acquiring Thomas (or Dragic) is getting some traction from the talking heads.

I'd lose it if we could get Thomas for cheap. He's a fantastic player that always seems to be looked over because of his size. If you don't look at his measurements, you see a super-efficient scoring guard who any team should welcome.

[miller31time]

To those hesitant to give up a draft pick, keep these two things in mind....

1) Ernie is drafting the player.

2) In a perfect world, we might be able to get a player who is half as good as Isaiah Thomas with our low first rounder.

Thomas is young, efficient and locked into a cheap contract. It should be a no-brainer to give up a draft pick and whatever scraps from our roster Phoenix has an interest in.

[nate33]

I'd trade our 2016 first, but not our 2015. We really need that pick to be a good one who will hopefully grow into a cheap contributing player by his second season in 2016.

So: 2016 1st + Miller + Blair for Thomas. Make it so.

Isaiah solves a lot of problems for us. Bench scorer? Check. Quality backup PG to give Wall some rest? Check. Good enough shooter to steal some SG minutes alongside Wall? Check. Young? Check. Better end-of-quarter iso scorer than Wall? Check.

I'd love that trade.

Isaiah is only 25 and is just what this team needs.

Yeah, the more I think about the resulting rotation, the better I like it. In the playoffs, Wittman can shorten the bench and go with just an 8-man rotation utilizing Thomas, Porter and Humphries off the bench. Seraphin might steal a few minutes to keep Gortat's and Nene's minutes a bit below 36. It would look something like this:

Code: Select all

     1ST HALF   | 2ND HALF
    210987654321|210987654321
PG  JW-------IT-|----JW------
SG  BB----IT-BB-|----IT--BB--
SF  PP----OP----|----PP------
PF  NH----KH----|--------NH--
C   MG-------KS-|NH--MG------

TOTALS: JW-34, BB-34, IT-26
        PP-28, OP-20, NH-28
        MG-34, KH-28, KS-6

[nate33]

I think Thomas would get 26 minutes here. Wall's minutes would drop down to about 34, leaving Thomas with 14 a game at PG. He'd only need to steal another 12 minutes a game at SG alongside Wall. At with Beal's fragility, Thomas is probably going to start about 15 games a year during which his 37 or so minutes per game will pull up his season's average.

IT is 5'10", so I question how effective he'd be at the 2, but it's speculation on both our parts....

Defensively, IT would still guard the opposing PG. We have that flexibility thanks to Wall's size.

[nate33]

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/02/17/wizard ... ah-thomas/

Well at least the idea of acquiring Thomas (or Dragic) is getting some traction from the talking heads.

I'd lose it if we could get Thomas for cheap. He's a fantastic player that always seems to be looked over because of his size. If you don't look at his measurements, you see a super-efficient scoring guard who any team should welcome.

It would be silly to go after Dragic. He's a free agent next year and surely wouldn't stick around to be a backup in DC. You don't trade a first round pick for a 30-game rental. Thomas makes sense though.