Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

ampd · Post #4921 » by **ampd** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:13 pm

I like that we are in the market for a rebounder in Taj but he's not a center at all and he's turning 30.

I'd much rather make a more minor deal for Plumlee or biyombo or whoever than go all in this season on guys pushing 30.

SkilesTheLimit · Post #4922 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:14 pm

I still do not want Henson as a future piece. I know he will not be worth his next contract.

He's offensively very limited and I hate soft bigs. He's as soft as it gets on D. Trade him while he has perceived value.

LUKE23 · Post #4923 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:16 pm

ampd wrote:I like that we are in the market for a rebounder in Taj but he's not a center at all and he's turning 30.

I'd much rather make a more minor deal for Plumlee or biyombo or whoever than go all in this season on guys pushing 30.

Which Plumlee?

JustinCredible · Post #4924 » by **JustinCredible** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:16 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Of the win now rumors, still think Gibson makes the most sense. He's tough, he can shoot the jumper, and he can rebound reasonably well. You throw Knight/Middleton/Giannis/Gibson/Henson out there and that team can really cause some issues, IMO. Still have three guys who can space the floor as well with Knight/Middleton/Gibson. Now, I obviously don't sell the farm for him, but I'd throw Mayo/Clips 1st out there to see if they bite.

Man, I don't think I've ever agreed with you as much as I do in this thread. Everything you post is exactly how I feel as well. That would be a tough team. Gibson can also slide in for some center minutes and Giannis at the 4 for our 'small ball' lineups.

machu46 · Post #4925 » by **machu46** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:17 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
ampd wrote:I like that we are in the market for a rebounder in Taj but he's not a center at all and he's turning 30.

I'd much rather make a more minor deal for Plumlee or biyombo or whoever than go all in this season on guys pushing 30.

Which Plumlee?

The Suns one. Nets Plumlee would not be a minor deal.

Edit: At least I assume that's who he was talking about.

Post #4926 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:18 pm

Kanter is only 22 and has improved every single season in the league. He's got a better offensive game and is already a better rebounder than Henson will ever be, IMO.

But I agree that he's not very good defensively and putting him next to Parker could be a problem down low.

Post #4927 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:18 pm

Middleton isn't going anywhere. The only question is whether the Bucks let him sign a four year offersheet before matching, or they come out hot with a five year offer of their own.

JustinCredible · Post #4928 » by **JustinCredible** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:18 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Of the win now rumors, still think Gibson makes the most sense. He's tough, he can shoot the jumper, and he can rebound reasonably well. You throw Knight/Middleton/Giannis/Gibson/Henson out there and that team can really cause some issues, IMO. Still have three guys who can space the floor as well with Knight/Middleton/Gibson. Now, I obviously don't sell the farm for him, but I'd throw Mayo/Clips 1st out there to see if they bite.

Also works great along with moving Ersan for a young guard like Stauskas.

Post #4929 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:19 pm

JustinCredible wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Of the win now rumors, still think Gibson makes the most sense. He's tough, he can shoot the jumper, and he can rebound reasonably well. You throw Knight/Middleton/Giannis/Gibson/Henson out there and that team can really cause some issues, IMO. Still have three guys who can space the floor as well with Knight/Middleton/Gibson. Now, I obviously don't sell the farm for him, but I'd throw Mayo/Clips 1st out there to see if they bite.

Man, I don't think I've ever agreed with you as much as I do in this thread. Everything you post is exactly how I feel as well. That would be a tough team. Gibson can also slide in for some center minutes and Giannis at the 4 for our 'small ball' lineups.

The thing is if the Bulls made him available, they're going to get better offers than Mayo and the Clippers pick.

LUKE23 · Post #4930 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:19 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Kanter is only 22 and has improved every single season in the league. He's got a better offensive game and is already a better rebounder than Henson will ever be, IMO.

But I agree that he's not very good defensively and putting him next to Parker could be a problem down low.

I think Henson is currently a better player, to be honest. Definitely a better fit, and that's not even bringing up the first you wanted to include.

LUKE23 · Post #4931 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:20 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
The thing is if the Bulls made him available, they're going to get better offers than Mayo and the Clippers pick.

Agree there.

JustinCredible · Post #4932 » by **JustinCredible** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:20 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Kanter is only 22 and has improved every single season in the league. He's got a better offensive game and is already a better rebounder than Henson will ever be, IMO.

But I agree that he's not very good defensively and putting him next to Parker could be a problem down low.

Yup, Kanter needs to be paired with a defensive anchor. Someone like Rudy Gobert oddly enough.

Post #4933 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:20 pm

Here was Lowe on Kanter:

Kanter is a tweener who probably leans more toward the center spot but can’t protect the rim or do the other things on defense that teams need from centers. The power forward position is absolutely loaded around the league, and teams aren’t much interested in bigs who can’t shoot 3s or patrol the hoop. Kanter is a skilled player — a post-up bruiser with a nose for offensive rebounds and a sweet jumper. He has worked a bit harder on defense this year, though the results haven’t come — not shocking, since he’s just 22.

Kanter could follow Greg Monroe’s path to two-way respectability, but he’d have to earn many more free throws and improve his passing exponentially. Every path on Kanter’s decision tree points to “shoot” — he has just 26 assists all season, which is kind of laughable considering how much Quin Snyder has his bigs handling the ball around the elbows.

MidnightBuck · Post #4934 » by **MidnightBuck** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:22 pm

Might be a steep price, but Demarcus Cousins would put the Bucks over the top and debatably make them dominant in 4-5 years. I would give up both our 1sts + a minor piece for him.

Post #4935 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:23 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
The thing is if the Bulls made him available, they're going to get better offers than Mayo and the Clippers pick.

I just don't see them getting an appreciably better offer than that. Again, he's turning 30 and while a great glue guy who does the little things that help you win, he doesn't have gaudy stats or rebound rates. That takes out over half the teams in the league that are rebuilding or on their way but don't want to give up assets for a guy that age.

The bigger issue to me is whether you make a deal with a team 90 miles to the South that is in your conference.

ampd · Post #4936 » by **ampd** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:23 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
ampd wrote:I like that we are in the market for a rebounder in Taj but he's not a center at all and he's turning 30.

I'd much rather make a more minor deal for Plumlee or biyombo or whoever than go all in this season on guys pushing 30.

Which Plumlee?

I was thinking Miles. We can't trade for the other one.

the more I think about it the more Taj seems like a really shrewd trade for us though. that oj and clips 1st trade I'd do. I worry that they'll demand a guy like middleton or dudley coming back.

We'd need to make some kind of deal for a bench shooter after that.

Ill-yasova · Post #4937 » by **Ill-yasova** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:25 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
ampd wrote:I like that we are in the market for a rebounder in Taj but he's not a center at all and he's turning 30.

I'd much rather make a more minor deal for Plumlee or biyombo or whoever than go all in this season on guys pushing 30.

Which Plumlee?

LUKE23 · Post #4938 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:26 pm

I think they definitely get better offers than that. While Gibson is 29, he's a young 29. Came in at age 24 and he's been primarily a bench player in his career. I think he will be very productive for the remaining 190+ games of his contract.

drew881 · Post #4939 » by **drew881** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:26 pm

So is Taj Gibson the Corliss Williamson player we are missing from the Pistons team? I'm still trying to push that Hammond has been building a Pistons type team in terms of roles for years now. He is only finally seeing success. Even if missing players like Sanders was our B. Wallace, and Parker was our R. Wallace, I think the remaining players work out in terms of styles and roles they fill.

I'm ok with any of these trades really (Gibson, Lawson), as long as we don't give up Giannis/Parker/Middleton. Gibson will be a year and a half rental though. Even if Ersan and Mayo salary is cleared, I don't see Gibson re-signing with us because Giannis and Parker eat up all his minutes. So if the price is too steep, remember it is for a short term player.

Post #4940 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:27 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
The thing is if the Bulls made him available, they're going to get better offers than Mayo and the Clippers pick.

I just don't see them getting an appreciably better offer than that. Again, he's turning 30 and while a great glue guy who does the little things that help you win, he doesn't have gaudy stats or rebound rates. That takes out over half the teams in the league that are rebuilding or on their way but don't want to give up assets for a guy that age.

The bigger issue to me is whether you make a deal with a team 90 miles to the South that is in your conference.

You're really underestimating Taj and overestimating the Bucks package. Every contender right now would kill to have him.