Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[LUKE23]

Yeah, to me, it's obvious we are going to overpay Knight. I'm surely not ready to commit big money to both him and Kanter moving forward, personally. All it takes is one team to completely destroy both of those players value, and for Kanter you are out a first rounder, which if you draft well is guaranteed cheap for at least four years.

[Cyrone Torbin]

If we are sending out our won 2015 1st round pick it should be for McGary not Kanter. I think Kanter is most effective if you use him like early Blake Griffin

Buck's fans not traumatized by players who have been suspended more multiple marijuana violations enough already?

[Badgerlander]

Honest question, what is the difference between Kanter and Drew Gooden? Efficient black holes on offense and terrible defenders. Honestly I haven't seen a lot of him, so I'm just wondering.

Kanter play like bull in china shop, Kanter see ball, Kanter want ball, Kanter run over people to get ball, Kanter dunk ball (although his jumper has improved all the way out to corner 3s this year), Kanter no pass ball, Kanter feet slow, Kanter clueless where to be defensively. Gooden more of a finesse player that can pass and shoot and just doesn't want to play D.

[BobbyLight]

Kanter is a RFA. Multiple teams have interest in him (probably not a ton, but enough to create a competitive market for his services). Having bird rights ensures another team can't swoop in and give him a 500K more offer and more attractive location.

You think Kanter is going to sign with the Bucks or the Celtics/Lakers/Knicks if they offer the same money?

My bad on that, thought he was a UFA.

To the second point, I don't care where he signs. If he would want to come here, fine. I'd be happy to see what Jason Kidd can get out of him. If he went to the Lakers or Knicks, fine. Basically not a player I'll lose sleep over.

[Kerb Hohl]

Not necessarily advocating the value, but if the trade is Ersan/1st for Kanter your choice goes from:

1. Pick 1 of 2 Knight or Middleton

to

2. Pick 2 of 3 Knight, Middleton, or Kanter

I'm over-simplifying it, and you also have the risk taken of potentially adding 2, maybe 3 if it can be squeezed in long contracts that all could go sour, but trading Ersan and the 1st clears almost $10 million for next year.

[Cyrone Torbin]

Not necessarily advocating the value, but if the trade is Ersan/1st for Kanter your choice goes from:

1. Pick 1 of 2 Knight or Middleton

to

2. Pick 2 of 3 Knight, Middleton, or Kanter

I'm over-simplifying it, and you also have the risk taken of potentially adding 2, maybe 3 if it can be squeezed in long contracts that all could go sour, but trading Ersan and the 1st clears almost $10 million for next year.

Yup, so unless you can dump Illyasova to the Sixers or some other team, good luck.

[emunney]

How can someone look at these stats and say Jackson is worse than Knight?

Maybe they are also looking at everything else.

Like what?

Not saying Jackson is great, but by most measures...he's a better version of Knight.

Like making shots outside of 15 feet, for one thing.

[Kerb Hohl]

Also, with so many guys set to either take the QO or RFA one year before the salary cap explodes is interesting. Do they all take the QO and therefore the Bucks get all 3 of them 1 more year for cheap, or do they all go into RFA in an offseason where NBA spending will be lower? Could also work out a S&T with all of them, no?

[JustinCredible]

Looking at some advanced stats for Kanter and it is clear that he massively struggles as a PF and clearly should be playing his minutes as a center. Also, he added 3-point shooting this year. He had 1 attempt in each of his first 3 seasons. This year he has 41 attempts but just at 31% shooting. It seems that the Jazz have tried to develop him into a stretch 4. He is a bad stretch 4 and is terrible and guarding PFs. I think if he went to a team that groomed him to be a center he could become a great offensive asset, but would need some serious work still defensively.

[DanoMac]

I love the posters that treat these discussions and proposals like we're actually in front offices, like trying to convince us to make a deal and getting mad.

[Newz]

Maybe Kanter could be like our Zach Randolph? Get a guy who was talented enough to be drafted early on and put up some decent raw, but kind of empty stats... then our coaching staff makes the best out of him and turns him into a positive player?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1/1/1/

I know, it's wishful thinking.

[LUKE23]

The Bucks are built on team defense and ball movement. Those are Kanter's two biggest weaknesses. Yeah, his box score numbers look great. That's because he shoots a lot. He actually has a lot of similarities to Gooden.

[skones]

Yeah, to me, it's obvious we are going to overpay Knight. I'm surely not ready to commit big money to both him and Kanter moving forward, personally. All it takes is one team to completely destroy both of those players value, and for Kanter you are out a first rounder, which if you draft well is guaranteed cheap for at least four years.

I don't think it's obvious at all. There's a reason teams are testing Milwaukee's resolve with a willingness to go into RFA. Couple that with the lack of market, and you have a situation where an overpay is unnecessary.

[BobbyLight]

Maybe Kanter could be like our Zach Randolph? Get a guy who was talented enough to be drafted early on and put up some decent raw, but kind of empty stats... then our coaching staff makes the best out of him and turns him into a positive player?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1/1/1/

I know, it's wishful thinking.

Coaching staff has gotten nothing out of anyone on this team, our players are just playing their normal career numbers. I'd hate to take on a young player who has flaws that will only worsen under our hack coaching staff. Especially if it meant giving up Ersan.

[Badgerlander]

Maybe Kanter could be like our Zach Randolph? Get a guy who was talented enough to be drafted early on and put up some decent raw, but kind of empty stats... then our coaching staff makes the best out of him and turns him into a positive player?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1/1/1/

I know, it's wishful thinking.

That's the role that would probably be best for Kanter, but who is our Marc Gasol, and how does that fit with Giannis and Jabari?

[theFireBlanket]

Not necessarily advocating the value, but if the trade is Ersan/1st for Kanter your choice goes from:

1. Pick 1 of 2 Knight or Middleton. diamond in the rough Hammond late lotto pick on 4 yr deal

to

2. Pick 2 of 3 Knight, Middleton, or Kanter

I'm over-simplifying it, and you also have the risk taken of potentially adding 2, maybe 3 if it can be squeezed in long contracts that all could go sour, but trading Ersan and the 1st clears almost $10 million for next year.

[M-C-G]

Where guys were picked means nothing when you've had 3 years of NBA play to evaluate them on. Whether Kanter was the #1 overall pick or the 60th shouldn't make a single difference when it comes to evaluating him as a player.

As long as you are also factoring in their coaching staff, roster situation, system, and carving some time to project them into a different system, then I'll agree.

Everyone wants that next Dwight or Shaq to walk through that door, or Knight to turn into Chris Paul, but we have to look at what is reasonably obtainable, and then factor in how we think our coaching staff could use that player. I think Kidd could get a lot of Kanter.

I'd love a situational line up of;
Knight
Middleton
Giannis
Kanter
Henson

That would be fun to watch in the playoffs. If they have a more powerful big, I like the idea of;
Knight
Middleton
Dudley
Giannis
Kanter

I just think short of having a complete stud that is perfect all the way around, Kanter complements the roster we have today quite well.

[LUKE23]

I don't think he complements the roster at all. He's a terrible passer and defender. The only positive aspect he brings is the ability to shoot a jumper as a big, which we really don't have at PF/C outside of Ersan (and he can't shoot either).

[Cyrone Torbin]

Looking at some advanced stats for Kanter and it is clear that he massively struggles as a PF and clearly should be playing his minutes as a center. Also, he added 3-point shooting this year. He had 1 attempt in each of his first 3 seasons. This year he has 41 attempts but just at 31% shooting. It seems that the Jazz have tried to develop him into a stretch 4. He is a bad stretch 4 and is terrible and guarding PFs. I think if he went to a team that groomed him to be a center he could become a great offensive asset, but would need some serious work still defensively.

So you are complaining that a guy who has never shot 3's is just shooting 31% in his first year of taking them?

He is much better at guarding 4's trust me. He was awful early in the season, mostly cuz his conditioning sucked because he was rehabbing a shoulder injury the entire off-season.

[Kerb Hohl]

Not necessarily advocating the value, but if the trade is Ersan/1st for Kanter your choice goes from:

1. Pick 1 of 2 Knight or Middleton. diamond in the rough Hammond late lotto pick on 4 yr deal

to

2. Pick 2 of 3 Knight, Middleton, or Kanter

I'm over-simplifying it, and you also have the risk taken of potentially adding 2, maybe 3 if it can be squeezed in long contracts that all could go sour, but trading Ersan and the 1st clears almost $10 million for next year.

Oh, I'm sorry for mentioning that I was taking a 30,000 foot view of things contractually. I don't watch enough Jazz to give you a detailed breakdown of the value. Sorry.