Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[Newz]

I probably wouldn't do Middleton for Exum straight up at this point.

I remember a time when this board was all about rebuilding by getting super high upside young guys who have star potential. Now they are all about guys like Khris Middleton and dislike most young players that haven't already turned into studs.

Not that I dislike Khris Middleton. I think he's going to be a great role player unless he stops playing hard after he gets his deal or something... but Exum has the ability to be something special.

And yeah, I realize that he isn't dominating the NBA as a 19 year old.

I call it FTD syndrome. When you have a franchise with such little success over two plus decades, even the smallest sliver makes you drunk. In the past week now I've heard people say they wouldn't trade Ersan for Stauskas/Thompson (insisted we get an expiring) and now no to Middleton for Exum. My brain hurts.

I don't get it, but I guess it is what it is.

I personally don't think that Knight-Middleton-Jabari-Giannis-Henson is a title contending core. I think Giannis is going to be very good, possibly great. I think Jabari has the chance to be special if he comes back healthy. I think Middleton could be a great role player and I think Knight is good in the right situation. Henson seems like a reasonable big, but more of a bench player than a starter when paired with our other players.

We don't even know if we have one guy who is going to develop into a superstar yet... one of the two guys that we have who have a shot at doing it is down with an exploded knee.

I think a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves and I agree it is because we are tasting success for the first time in a long time. The same thing did happen right after the FTD year... people were so excited it made them think bringing in Corey Maggette was a good idea.

[Matches Malone]

Goran getting sassy...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors/status/568138515017383936[/tweet]

[Siefer]

I probably wouldn't do Middleton for Exum straight up at this point.

I remember a time when this board was all about rebuilding by getting super high upside young guys who have star potential. Now they are all about guys like Khris Middleton and dislike most young players that haven't already turned into studs.

Not that I dislike Khris Middleton. I think he's going to be a great role player unless he stops playing hard after he gets his deal or something... but Exum has the ability to be something special.

And yeah, I realize that he isn't dominating the NBA as a 19 year old.

I call it FTD syndrome. When you have a franchise with such little success over two plus decades, even the smallest sliver makes you drunk. In the past week now I've heard people say they wouldn't trade Ersan for Stauskas/Thompson (insisted we get an expiring) and now no to Middleton for Exum. My brain hurts.

Gotta stay hydrated bro. Dehydration headaches are the worst.

[Insomniaac]

I probably wouldn't do Middleton for Exum straight up at this point.

I remember a time when this board was all about rebuilding by getting super high upside young guys who have star potential. Now they are all about guys like Khris Middleton and dislike most young players that haven't already turned into studs.

Not that I dislike Khris Middleton. I think he's going to be a great role player unless he stops playing hard after he gets his deal or something... but Exum has the ability to be something special.

And yeah, I realize that he isn't dominating the NBA as a 19 year old.

I call it FTD syndrome. When you have a franchise with such little success over two plus decades, even the smallest sliver makes you drunk. In the past week now I've heard people say they wouldn't trade Ersan for Stauskas/Thompson (insisted we get an expiring) and now no to Middleton for Exum. My brain hurts.

Middleton for Exum is different though. Middleton is a young player who's actually proving he can be a vital piece of our core. If we can lock him up for a reasonable amount of money he could be one of the most important players on our team going forward. I might still trade him for Exum but not wanting to trade a young productive player for a 19-year-old lottery ticket isn't being success-drunk.

[Newz]

I probably wouldn't do Middleton for Exum straight up at this point.

I remember a time when this board was all about rebuilding by getting super high upside young guys who have star potential. Now they are all about guys like Khris Middleton and dislike most young players that haven't already turned into studs.

Not that I dislike Khris Middleton. I think he's going to be a great role player unless he stops playing hard after he gets his deal or something... but Exum has the ability to be something special.

And yeah, I realize that he isn't dominating the NBA as a 19 year old.

You're misunderstanding my post. I'm all for prioritizing star potential. I'm just super high on Middleton, and super down on Exum.

Do you think Middleton has a chance to be a legitimate star player?

I personally do not. I like him, I just don't ever see him being a top 3 player on a team that wins a championship. I also hope we keep him and I'd be willing to pay quite a bit to make him stick around, so I hope people don't think I'm ripping on the guy.

[machu46]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/568138778344177669[/tweet]

MKE noticeably absent.

[paulpressey25]

Jimmy Butler vs Khris Middleton at 23 years old:

The steals is the part I didn't notice until today. He's fitting in great.

For the national guys who dismiss his value, this board understands what is going on with him.

[Kerb Hohl]

I call it FTD syndrome. When you have a franchise with such little success over two plus decades, even the smallest sliver makes you drunk. In the past week now I've heard people say they wouldn't trade Ersan for Stauskas/Thompson (insisted we get an expiring) and now no to Middleton for Exum. My brain hurts.

it has more to do with the fact that building with high picks isn't realistically possible anymore, and that's because we have a good amount of young talent already helping us win. Middleton is a 15/5 2.2 steal, .574 TS per 36 guy at age 23. He really is a damn good player. Would I trade him for Exum? Yes, I'd roll the dice there. But I also believe people are overlooking what Middleton has been doing, for a significant portion.

Either way, building with another top 5 pick isn't happening. Giannis is good enough by himself now to keep us out of the top 5. I want to keep the young players that are helping us win unless a deal really makes sense. Exum isn't getting moved.

Pretty much. I think for my entire existence on this board I had been the "blow everything up" trade proponent looking for every young asset, even if their outlook was looking bleak...but there comes a point where you look to level 2: try to get your Zach Randolph to the Grizz trade. Sure, if Exum was being traded and cheap I'd take him, but you start to look a little bit less at the "value for a bag of magic beans trades" and more for the value trades or ones that are a bit less risky in terms of the competitive team nature-- ones that at the very least will net you an overpaid, valuable player.

[trwi7]

Goran getting sassy...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors/status/568138515017383936[/tweet]

Goran must mean "little bitch" in Slovene.

[drew881]

What is everyone's revised opinion of Exum anyway? Obviously still incredibly young, but a nightmare first season, no? Giannis showed us some flashes and was never really scared.

[LUKE23]

Again, the FTD was significantly older than this one. That was also a 38 win pace followed by a 60 win pace. It was basically two different teams. This team has been consistently at or above .500 with younger core players. Hell, 4 of their 5 starters are 24 or younger right now.

Obviously, we shouldn't be signing vets to big deals this offseason. But this is not a team that has peaked either. The FTD team, we knew Salmons wasn't repeating his performance, we were just praying he was somewhere between his FTD performance and his career. Either way, I believe we should be keeping our own young talent and letting it grow. Nobody is advocating a FTD type offseason, at least I haven't seen it. But when you are referencing an emerging guy like Middleton, that's far different than a peaked player like Salmons.

[Matches Malone]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/568138966152519681[/tweet]

[worthlessBucks]

It's tough to comprehend giving Dragic 100+ million. He's a good player, but wow.

[turbostef]

I dont get this Kanter thing.

Kanter is bitching out of Utah.
Bad habit.

Kanter let his national team down
2 times in a row with strange arguments.
Bad habit.

Kanter even Posted sarcastic tweets after
His national team lost.
Bad habit.

After posting pick with Playboy bunnies
he switched tweet strange religious
Posts

The guy seems to be an idiot without
Manners
And this is only some stuff that I read from
Turkish users in other forums

I think he could be the worser version
Of Sanders.

Of course There is talent but..........

[Ruzious]

Why would Utah trade Exum, exactly?

He has the absolute lowest net production number of anyone in the entire NBA who was played at least 20 games and averaged at least 20 minutes per game. He's like several times as raw as Gianis was last season.

He went from high school ball in Australia to the NBA. Dirk was a mess as a rookie going from Germany high school ball to the NBA too. They aren't trading Exum. He is highly valued.

Good. He may turn out to be an outstanding player - but I'm guessing that won't happen (if it ever does) until his rookie year contract expires. I wouldn't be interested in trading much for him.

[Newz]

Again, the FTD was significantly older than this one. That was also a 38 win pace followed by a 60 win pace. It was basically two different teams. This team has been consistently at or above .500 with younger core players. Hell, 4 of their 5 starters are 24 or younger right now.

Obviously, we shouldn't be signing vets to big deals this offseason. But this is not a team that has peaked either. The FTD team, we knew Salmons wasn't repeating his performance, we were just praying he was somewhere between his FTD performance and his career. Either way, I believe we should be keeping our own young talent and letting it grow. Nobody is advocating a FTD type offseason, at least I haven't seen it. But when you are referencing an emerging guy like Middleton, that's far different than a peaked player like Salmons.

Who is comparing Middleton to Salmons? Where did you get that from?

[crkone]

Exum just needs to get used to the speed of the game and let his quick first step be his guide. It's hard for a super young rookie PG out there.

[Kerb Hohl]

I personally don't think that Knight-Middleton-Jabari-Giannis-Henson is a title contending core.

I'd advise becoming a fan of another team, then. Even with assumed good management coming from Lasry and Edens, you're never going to see a contender in the next decade if you don't think that's going to get it done (plus a complementary piece trade or a shrewd move like getting our Zach Randolph as PP mentioned).

[trwi7]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/568138778344177669[/tweet]

MKE noticeably absent.

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[jakecronus8]

What is everyone's revised opinion of Exum anyway? Obviously still incredibly young, but a nightmare first season, no? Giannis showed us some flashes and was never really scared.

Totally reminiscent of Giannis' rookie year.Lots of struggles but every now and then gives you some wow moments. The tools haven't gone away. This is pretty typical for a 19 year old point guard adjusting to the NBA