Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[MGrand15]

I don't think Presti purposefully f*cked you guys, but if he did I love it. Not because it hurts your team, but because **** Billy King, hopefully this will get him fired and you can get a realGM. Good luck guys, it might seem a ways away but there are brighter days ahead.

King **** himself. As always.

Presti did what a good GM does. Have multiple options. Work the phones for awhile. Talk to multiple teams.

This could've been a done deal WEEKS ago. Billy decided to wait until the day of the deadline to talk to ONLY OKC about Brook. Literally nothing else was floated out there. Embarrassing that one team pulling out leaves us without any options. Of course, OKC gets a MUCH better deal and we get absolutely nothing.

Did you ever consider that there werent any other worthwhile deals out there?

The OKC package was horrible and for all of you who knocked the Wallace trade, this would have been worse. Jackson is a non impact player.

And Kanter isnt even half the player Lopez is. The Lopez hate goes ridiculously far on this site.

It's not about Kanter v. Lopez.

Kanter is young with potential and getting paid very little. He's a RFA. That gives them complete control. If he sucks, they can cut their losses. And if he's good, the restricted free agency will scare teams away from giving him offers.

They also picked up Augustine - who has proven to be a good backup PG and Kyle Singler - who can spread the floor. 2 legit rotation guys.

Compare that to Lopez. They were going to have to make a move for a backup PG. If Lopez played well, he was going to opt out and seek a big contract. If he sucked, he was going to opt-in and they'd be paying him 18 mil next year. He's also an injury risk and doesn't solve their shooting issues. There's also the question of fit. A score first center isn't exactly what they need next to Russ and KD.

[enetric]

MCW on the Bucks? Weird, Knight was balling. Thomas on the Celtics is an interesting pickup.

I am tearing through all of the updates on that crazy deal and the one thing I cant figure out is...what the hell did Philly get for MCW? Does anyone know?

I think they got the Lakers pick top 5 protected! Not bad at all.

[MrDollarBills]

Or credit him for NOT making a deal last month that offered nothing.

it offered players who want to be here that the fans could get behind as well as zellar, a ok young player on a rookie deal. It also dealt from strength(C) to fill our weakest spot (SG) and being just 1 game out of the playoffs, maybe that makes the difference.

i dont think 6M in salary relief, Zeller, and a flyer on lance while balancing the roster is nothing. its not adding a star you can building around, but it certainly isnt nothing. It also rids of of lopez, who this year and last year we have been better without and whom some fans cant stand watching

I would have been fine with this trade. I reject much of the premise though. Any time someone pitches the idea of I hate that guy...we should trade him for anyone even if that guy is much much worse but he tries harder I get a little nausea.

Trades are directional. You are either trading up or down in the NBA. Know where you want to go and make a sound decision. Far too often it is blind hate for a player around here followed by an intense desire to acquire someone who isnt close to as good or a deal that doesnt offer future picks. It is hey...lets pretend this offer or that rumored trade makes us better right now. I cant look at a face value trade of Lance Stephenson for Brook Lopez and say oh man....King should have made that trade because it would have made us better right now when I can see that as disappointing as Lopez can be he destroys Lance Stephenson.


And I further cant justify we can root for a back up scrub big man....over a center who cant drop 20 per night. Like him or not...yes worth more in present day value than that. And that's my challenge to you. The only sentence that really matters is "rid ourselves of Lopez". I fear you and some others are so consumed with it that your excitement isnt over the warmed over trash sometimes being discussed its over ANYTHING NOT LOPEZ!

That's when objectivity goes out the window. You know what it reminds me of? When Raptor fans decided that following some tough injury years and perceived lack of effort, Vince Carter was the reason they were struggling when in fact despite some issues he was still their best player. I would always prefer to be the team acquiring that type of player not the one dumping him for pretend junk.

At the end of the day it doesnt matter. I have always felt Lopez was far closer to being a solid #2 than Deron was to being the supposed superstar we traded for.

Eventually we will rebuild and if we have to dump better players for lesser ones the hope is that we can acquire some sort of future trade assets.

Lopez's ship has long since sailed. He has solid offense but the effort is not consistent, and he's a soft player and horrible rebounder and defender.

You overrate him vastly.

[Lamak]

MCW on the Bucks? Weird, Knight was balling. Thomas on the Celtics is an interesting pickup.

I am tearing through all of the updates on that crazy deal and the one thing I cant figure out is...what the hell did Philly get for MCW? Does anyone know?

I think they got the Lakers pick top 5 protected! Not bad at all.

Yeah and I think that pick is 1-3 protected next year. Fans are gonna stop going to 76ers games soon as this rate. Same for our fans lol.

[Paradise]

celtics get better
heat get better
we take on salary

couldnt really have gone much worse. no playoffs, and we now dont get under the lux tax for next season and maybe king overpays Thad on an extension to compound things

Thad Young is a massive upgrade to KG at this point. We still came away with a good deal and Young is way better than Hickson or McGee.

on what planet is thad young a "massive" upgrade to KG? the guy has a 14 PER averages 5 reounds a game and has a 49 TS%. i get he can play back to backs and more minutes but no way is he any more then a minor upgrade to KG. plus he adds 10 million in salary so we no longer get out of the tax anymore

KG averages 6.8 points, 6.8 rebounds on 48 TS%. This is an upgrade.

You were the one 24 hours ago talking about a 'win now' deal instead of prospects. We basically got a good player for a semi-retired KG. The Reggie Jackson debacle doesn't change that.

Young also has a tradable contract much like Thornton in the last deadline.

[MrDollarBills]

I hope Deron took this long All Star break to stay in shape and do basketball work.

doubt it.

[enetric]

King **** himself. As always.

Presti did what a good GM does. Have multiple options. Work the phones for awhile. Talk to multiple teams.

This could've been a done deal WEEKS ago. Billy decided to wait until the day of the deadline to talk to ONLY OKC about Brook. Literally nothing else was floated out there. Embarrassing that one team pulling out leaves us without any options. Of course, OKC gets a MUCH better deal and we get absolutely nothing.

Did you ever consider that there werent any other worthwhile deals out there?

The OKC package was horrible and for all of you who knocked the Wallace trade, this would have been worse. Jackson is a non impact player.

And Kanter isnt even half the player Lopez is. The Lopez hate goes ridiculously far on this site.

It's not about Kanter v. Lopez.

Kanter is young with potential and getting paid very little. He's a RFA. That gives them complete control. If he sucks, they can cut their losses. And if he's good, the restricted free agency will scare teams away from giving him offers.

They also picked up Augustine - who has proven to be a good backup PG and Kyle Singler - who can spread the floor. 2 legit rotation guys.

Compare that to Lopez. They were going to have to make a move for a backup PG. If Lopez played well, he was going to opt out and seek a big contract. If he sucked, he was going to opt-in and they'd be paying him 18 mil next year. He's also an injury risk and doesn't solve their shooting issues. There's also the question of fit. A score first center isn't exactly what they need next to Russ and KD.

Good exchange here. Add in that OKC will always make the penny pinching moves.

[MrDollarBills]

I am tearing through all of the updates on that crazy deal and the one thing I cant figure out is...what the hell did Philly get for MCW? Does anyone know?

I think they got the Lakers pick top 5 protected! Not bad at all.

Yeah and I think that pick is 1-3 protected next year. Fans are gonna stop going to 76ers games soon as this rate. Same for our fans lol.

Fans will still go to Net games...to cheer for the other team.

[MrDollarBills]

Did you ever consider that there werent any other worthwhile deals out there?

The OKC package was horrible and for all of you who knocked the Wallace trade, this would have been worse. Jackson is a non impact player.

And Kanter isnt even half the player Lopez is. The Lopez hate goes ridiculously far on this site.

It's not about Kanter v. Lopez.

Kanter is young with potential and getting paid very little. He's a RFA. That gives them complete control. If he sucks, they can cut their losses. And if he's good, the restricted free agency will scare teams away from giving him offers.

They also picked up Augustine - who has proven to be a good backup PG and Kyle Singler - who can spread the floor. 2 legit rotation guys.

Compare that to Lopez. They were going to have to make a move for a backup PG. If Lopez played well, he was going to opt out and seek a big contract. If he sucked, he was going to opt-in and they'd be paying him 18 mil next year. He's also an injury risk and doesn't solve their shooting issues. There's also the question of fit. A score first center isn't exactly what they need next to Russ and KD.

Good exchange here. Add in that OKC will always make the penny pinching moves.

I actually don't blame OKC for what they did. A far less price to pay for two serviceable pieces instead of giving us everything for Brook, whose foot will probably break next week.

[Jersey Generals]

Presti did some work today. Got fantastic value for what he sent. Will it work out? Probably not, but having the option to re-sign Kanter after giving him a good look? Not bad, not bad at all.

[enetric]

celtics get better
heat get better
we take on salary

couldnt really have gone much worse. no playoffs, and we now dont get under the lux tax for next season and maybe king overpays Thad on an extension to compound things

Thad Young is a massive upgrade to KG at this point. We still came away with a good deal and Young is way better than Hickson or McGee.

Wow. I think this is first time I have ever agreed with Paradise on anything and it forces me to admit something negative about KG. I must be in hell.

[Keith Van Horn]

Whatever, I want to see what Thad can do now for us. I also want to see what we look like after all this rest. When do we play again?

[Keith Van Horn]

Also no excuses at this point. No more pussy basketball from Brook or Deron. I pray to god they play solid and consistent basketball and help their trade value so we can ship them out for better youth and assets this summer.

[enetric]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/steven_lebron/status/568509548056743936[/tweet]

lol.

oh well.

Lopez will now walk for nothing, we have no picks, and no hope. This team will plunge into the toilet even further now after today.

Also, Windrem the shill says the Nets, meaning Billy King, feels like OKC screwed them over by backing out in the last second, and not allowing the Nets to have enough time to work a new deal.

This is the same cock sucking GM that led OKC on a few weeks ago and then walked away smugly at the table, thinking he'd be able to get something done at the last minute. So he screws OKC over gleefully a few weeks back, and is now upset that they trolled him?

With how fast that Utah development happened, I would not be shocked if OKC had that deal on the table well before initiating talks with the Nets today.

enetric talked about dark days if we had made that trade? wait until Lopez walks for nothing in the offseason, since we can't do sign and trade deals.

I was OK with the trade. And I am OK if he does walk. That wasnt my point. My point was I dont know how you were able to list the potential roster like that and add the word excitement. Blow it all up...fire the coach fire the GM and lets start again. Whatever. It didnt work lets not put a cheap bandaid on a gaping wound and call it a lifesaver.

[F3LON]

King **** himself. As always.

Presti did what a good GM does. Have multiple options. Work the phones for awhile. Talk to multiple teams.

This could've been a done deal WEEKS ago. Billy decided to wait until the day of the deadline to talk to ONLY OKC about Brook. Literally nothing else was floated out there. Embarrassing that one team pulling out leaves us without any options. Of course, OKC gets a MUCH better deal and we get absolutely nothing.

Did you ever consider that there werent any other worthwhile deals out there?

The OKC package was horrible and for all of you who knocked the Wallace trade, this would have been worse. Jackson is a non impact player.

And Kanter isnt even half the player Lopez is. The Lopez hate goes ridiculously far on this site.

It's not about Kanter v. Lopez.

Kanter is young with potential and getting paid very little. He's a RFA. That gives them complete control. If he sucks, they can cut their losses. And if he's good, the restricted free agency will scare teams away from giving him offers.

They also picked up Augustine - who has proven to be a good backup PG and Kyle Singler - who can spread the floor. 2 legit rotation guys.

Compare that to Lopez. They were going to have to make a move for a backup PG. If Lopez played well, he was going to opt out and seek a big contract. If he sucked, he was going to opt-in and they'd be paying him 18 mil next year. He's also an injury risk and doesn't solve their shooting issues. There's also the question of fit. A score first center isn't exactly what they need next to Russ and KD.

There is no way in hell that Lopez is opting out, especially if he was traded to OKC. He would have gotten a trade kicker if traded and he might need a 3 year contract just to make up for what he would be giving up. I think we have seen how the rest of the NBA values Lopez and it's not very highly. I doubt he would get more then the MLE.

Kanter is a lose, lose for OKC. If he is good then someone is going to run the price up on them since they have shown an unwillingness to spend (HARDEN DUMP). If he sucks then they dont make the playoffs and KD could sour on resigning with them. They need a proven impact player and Lopez makes a difference on offense. The Thunder dont have a post presence and it has hurt them in the playoffs where just about every team has a quality defensive big. (Duncan, Gasol, Bogut, Howard, Chandler, Jordan, A Davis). Kanter is a BIG IF and when you weigh him against those bigs he just doesnt cut it. Lopez has proven that he can score on just about all of these guys.

[MGrand15]

Apparently one of the issues in the trade was that Lopez wouldn't assure OKC that he would opt-in.

If Lopez played REALLY well - he would most definitely try to secure a long-term contract.

[SF_Warriors]

lopez
young
JJ
jack
deron
plumlee

It will be a hell of a fight for the 7th/8th seed out east, especially with miami getting dragic, PG possibly coming back for IND, and boston getting IT. There are 6 teams within a game of each other for those two spots.

[F3LON]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/steven_lebron/status/568509548056743936[/tweet]

lol.

oh well.

Lopez will now walk for nothing, we have no picks, and no hope. This team will plunge into the toilet even further now after today.

Also, Windrem the shill says the Nets, meaning Billy King, feels like OKC screwed them over by backing out in the last second, and not allowing the Nets to have enough time to work a new deal.

This is the same cock sucking GM that led OKC on a few weeks ago and then walked away smugly at the table, thinking he'd be able to get something done at the last minute. So he screws OKC over gleefully a few weeks back, and is now upset that they trolled him?

With how fast that Utah development happened, I would not be shocked if OKC had that deal on the table well before initiating talks with the Nets today.

enetric talked about dark days if we had made that trade? wait until Lopez walks for nothing in the offseason, since we can't do sign and trade deals.

I was OK with the trade. And I am OK if he does walk. That wasnt my point. My point was I dont know how you were able to list the potential roster like that and add the word excitement. Blow it all up...fire the coach fire the GM and lets start again. Whatever. It didnt work lets not put a cheap bandaid on a gaping wound and call it a lifesaver.

This conveniently left out Jack and Karasev.

All in all, the only player worth crying about is Lilliard. Plumlee and Favors are basically the same level of player and Kanter isnt a good player. We got a good playoff run out of the deals as well last year. It's easy to look back after everything and be critical but if we got Paul instead of DWill, we would have had a chance a a chip. He is the single biggest reason this era failed. Johnson and Pierce won us a playoff series while Garnett turned Plumlee into a good NBA player and just got us Young.

I think we will make the 7th seed after this trade if we resign Blatche. It was annoying having to ceremonially start KG when he was obviously not our best option at PF.

[enetric]

Now that the dust has settled, I'm betting that Presti set this up and wanted to screw King over for leaving OKC at the trade table a few weeks ago.

In our deal, OKC was giving up quite a bit for Lopez, who could've easily left at the end of the season, and forced us to trade KG. Within 30 minutes, they end up getting Kanter, Singler, and DJ Augustin while trading Jackson to DET. It was done so quickly that one really has to wonder if it was pre-meditated.

Much respect for Presti if that is true.

And just as I theorized yesterday, we now see that the improvement of the other teams fighting for the 8th spot has actually occurred.

We are 1 game behind the Heat who just acquired Goran Dragic.
We are .5 games ahead of Boston who just acquired a Isaiah Thomas.
We are 1 game ahead of Detroit who just replaced the loss of Jennings with Reggie Jackson.

Yeah, we probably improve with Thad but Plumlee lost his mentor, Brook is reportedly not sure whether he's going to opt-in, and MIN fans think that Thad will opt-in.

This is just about the worst scenario that could've happened.

the worst kick to all of this is if Lopez Opts out and we lose him for nothing.

**** this is all a mess.

He probably will opt out, we tried to trade him 10000x and never got it done, its so clear we dont want him... but now he can leave on his own regard

lopez opting out would be the best possible scenario and a giant blessing. we shed 17M and get under the tax.

but that wont happen. 1 because the bball gods hate me and will keep him here just to torment me. second because he wont get half that if he optsout

I can see him opting out actually. And I think he secures a solid deal barring another absurd injury. He wont be the first choice out there. But someone will give him 10mil per season.

[enetric]

Why didn't king have a backup plan?

I don't want to trade lopez for nothing, but we should have moved him today.

Still can't believe we didn't do the Zeller and Stephenson deal.


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I dont understand all the back up plan posts. As if there are always trades to be found and you should do one at all costs. As for Lance...he sucks get over it.