NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sports

[DemoleDemolezan]

I wouldn't be all that surprised if a study capable of determining such a thing found that half of all white people were sociopaths. Thing is, we should then expect more or less the same percentage of black people to be sociopaths, too. I do kind of get the sense that Black Jack would estimate a much, much lower percentage of black sociopathy, in which case Black Jack would be a racist, not quite unmitigated, but close.

There have been studies. Experts estimate 1-4% of the population are sociopaths. If Black Jack is actually stupid enough to believe that 50% of white people are sociopaths then he is not only an unabashed racist, but a gigantic idiot.

[Neutral 123]

You are a creepy dude who calls Al Sharpton a freedom fighter who does "God's Work". You need your head checked. I would love to know how stating verifiable facts about Sharpton while debating his impact and credibility is not relevant... Seriously, how the hell is that not relevant? If anything you are acting like some self-appointed point of authority/creepy spokesperson for Sharpton. I am simply pointing out well-known facts about him.

Yeah, this is off topic.

This is what we have been talking about. This thread has evolved (devolved) into a general discussion on race. This is not off-topic. I am sorry you are unable to create any more wild assumptions, ideas about Sharpton. Facts and evidence do have a tendency to shut people up.
I am done with this topic though. I proved my point.

Well you take care then. Goodbye.

[Pointgod]

I'm a Black dude, and I agree with much of what you're saying.

Black people should stop marching , stop protesting, and stop uttering the word racism.

We need to completely focus on ourselves.

I agree with you, but the difference between you and me is that I, at least, understand that unfair practices are are real and do, in fact, exist in a tangible way.

In my spirit, I can accept the truth of the existence of many unfair practices, yet, at the same time, I can agree with the general pragmatism of your post, however unempathetic it may come across.

Its racist garbage. The intent isn't to help, but to attack and demean. That sort of propaganda is incredibly destructive as it only enforces perceived inferiority. Groups that are oppressed and excluded generally have worse outcomes that those that aren't. An epidemic of single mothers? Sure, but check what those rates were for whites back in 1960 or 1970 and see what they are now.

Your argument essentially boils down to: "It's not our fault we can't take personal responsibility. It's the white man's fault." You refuse to take personal responsibility for your refusal to take personal responsibility.

That, my friend, is utterly pathetic.

I'm not denying there's still a degree of racism in America.

Clearly, there are some blatant, unabashed racists in America. However, these people are a small minority, a much smaller minority than African Americans I suspect, and are generally viewed with disgust by non-unabashed racists. These people hold little-to-no power in society, and are not holding African Americans back.

There is a second level of racism in America, subconscious racism. Those people who aren't outright hateful of blacks, yet, in the back of their minds, view black people differently.

Here's the cold, hard truth about subconscious racism: Much of it is justified. The subconscious mind is the part of the mind not filtered by P.C. nonsense; it's that part of our minds that knows black culture is a culture of high crime rates and violence.

What I'm telling you, is that you need to quit pretending all of white America are card-carrying members of the KKK, going out of their way to hold you down. That has no basis in reality, and is only giving you a cop-out excuse to not look at the real problem.

What I'm telling you, is the real problem is that black cultures promotes subconscious racism in otherwise fair-minded people. That will only change when black culture changes. We've come full circle, right back to the original point: That black people need to take responsibility for their own self-destructive actions.

It's that simple. Quit over-complicating things with delusional nonsense. Accept personal responsibility. Make positive changes. Stop doing stupid ****. See black culture rise up.

Tells black people to stop blaming white people and take personal responsibility, Blames black people for white racism. Lol amazing

[wigglestrue]

My personal definition of a sociopath would be looser, broader, would include sociopathic modes of living, habits, choices, not just brain malfunctions.

[Rip It]

And I'm sure you'll miss the irony of saying that blacks won't take personal responsibility, and the following it up with a refusal to do the same. The reality is irrespective of levels of black crime, single parenthood, blacks have always suffered from outcomes far worse than whites. Your culture, your racism, has created this environment. You are not even separate from blacks people. Blacks are apart of America. You are getting mad at your teeth for being rotten when you refuse to brush them. If you want a healthy America, its time to do what's right, take personal responsibility and allow the healing to start.

Tells black people to stop blaming white people and take personal responsibility, Blames black people for white racism. Lol amazing

If either of you have a better explanation for the existence of subconscious racism, I'm willing to hear it. If the best explanation you have is that all whites are secretly evil sociopaths, then I don't think I'm missing out on much.

[Neutral 123]

I wouldn't be all that surprised if a study capable of determining such a thing found that half of all white people were sociopaths. Thing is, we should then expect more or less the same percentage of black people to be sociopaths, too. I do kind of get the sense that Black Jack would estimate a much, much lower percentage of black sociopathy, in which case Black Jack would be a racist, not quite unmitigated, but close.

Determined to be racist by whom? Sociopaths see their condition as a strength. I'd expect whites to wear their sociopathy as a badge of honour and proof of superiority.

Some certain white subcultures do. Cultural tropes, like jingoistic gun nuts, upper class hedonists, goths and other assorted nihilists, mafias and mobs, Jackasses and pickup-artists. Even a meme like the recent run on Running Out of ****s to Give carries a whiff of celebrating sociopathy. But, oops, white people don't have a monopoly on that. There are sociopathic habits and trends in some black subcultures, too. Perhaps this question has already become its own type of "standard white guy" cliche, lol, but have you read Questlove's series on hip hop in Vulture?

Well we're up to 50% already. But seriously, and its just a thought, it may not be so much a matter of being a sociopaths, but conditioning, that makes it easier to take on this perspective when it comes to race. That conditioning has to change. It has to come through relentless, unapologetic pressure. Hopefully the resolve and stomach for it is there.

[ceremony816]

Anybody who doesn't see this as a ploy to gain headline attention is not paying attention to the NBA. You had the NBA scrambling to get rid of Sterling and then Danny Ferry dropped the African bomb. This is just a reminder that the NBA isn't racially neutral and an effort to use that to frame the argument.

I knew I wasn't the only one who saw it this way. It is pretty obvious this is what's happening.

[Neutral 123]

And I'm sure you'll miss the irony of saying that blacks won't take personal responsibility, and the following it up with a refusal to do the same. The reality is irrespective of levels of black crime, single parenthood, blacks have always suffered from outcomes far worse than whites. Your culture, your racism, has created this environment. You are not even separate from blacks people. Blacks are apart of America. You are getting mad at your teeth for being rotten when you refuse to brush them. If you want a healthy America, its time to do what's right, take personal responsibility and allow the healing to start.

Tells black people to stop blaming white people and take personal responsibility, Blames black people for white racism. Lol amazing

If either of you have a better explanation for the existence of subconscious racism, I'm willing to hear it. If the best explanation you have is that all whites are secretly evil sociopaths, then I don't think I'm missing out on much.

Its the power of words, of media. It's getting slightly better, but man, I remember going to the old yahoo boards, a stock market board, and messages would be filled with racist slurs and comments. Completely random. YouTube was the same way. America has and has always had a culture of racism. The idea of white superiority and black inferiority. It doesn't matter what blacks do, until that culture changes, you will still feel blacks deserve to be abused.

[DemoleDemolezan]

My personal definition of a sociopath would be looser, broader, would include sociopathic modes of living, habits, choices, not just brain malfunctions.

With all due respect, who cares about your personal definition? It's not the correct meaning of the word.

[wigglestrue]

Among the ways people are conditioned to be sociopathic toward each other, to the point where individualized empathy is disabled, where people enter the otherization zone: When we are conditioned to ascribe a singular, collective character to hundreds of millions of people who have wildly diverse histories and fortunes but who have roughly the same shade of skin.

[wigglestrue]

My personal definition of a sociopath would be looser, broader, would include sociopathic modes of living, habits, choices, not just brain malfunctions.

With all due respect, who cares about your personal definition? It's not the correct meaning of the word.

When people live more or less like sociopaths except with conflicted feelings about or popular rationalizations for it, I think the clinical, correct differentiation is moot. But you do have every right not to care what I think.

[DemoleDemolezan]

My personal definition of a sociopath would be looser, broader, would include sociopathic modes of living, habits, choices, not just brain malfunctions.

With all due respect, who cares about your personal definition? It's not the correct meaning of the word.

When people live more or less like sociopaths except with conflicted feelings about or popular rationalizations for it, I think the clinical, correct differentiation is moot. But you do have every right not to care what I think.

Sorry. I didn't mean to be a dick. Just some of these outlandish declarations in here have me a little heated. My apologies.

[wigglestrue]

And I'm sure you'll miss the irony of saying that blacks won't take personal responsibility, and the following it up with a refusal to do the same. The reality is irrespective of levels of black crime, single parenthood, blacks have always suffered from outcomes far worse than whites. Your culture, your racism, has created this environment. You are not even separate from blacks people. Blacks are apart of America. You are getting mad at your teeth for being rotten when you refuse to brush them. If you want a healthy America, its time to do what's right, take personal responsibility and allow the healing to start.

Tells black people to stop blaming white people and take personal responsibility, Blames black people for white racism. Lol amazing

If either of you have a better explanation for the existence of subconscious racism, I'm willing to hear it. If the best explanation you have is that all whites are secretly evil sociopaths, then I don't think I'm missing out on much.

Its the power of words, of media. It's getting slightly better, but man, I remember going to the old yahoo boards, a stock market board, and messages would be filled with racist slurs and comments. Completely random. YouTube was the same way. America has and has always had a culture of racism. The idea of white superiority and black inferiority. It doesn't matter what blacks do, until that culture changes, you will still feel blacks deserve to be abused.

When you say "you"...?

[Neutral 123]

If either of you have a better explanation for the existence of subconscious racism, I'm willing to hear it. If the best explanation you have is that all whites are secretly evil sociopaths, then I don't think I'm missing out on much.

Its the power of words, of media. It's getting slightly better, but man, I remember going to the old yahoo boards, a stock market board, and messages would be filled with racist slurs and comments. Completely random. YouTube was the same way. America has and has always had a culture of racism. The idea of white superiority and black inferiority. It doesn't matter what blacks do, until that culture changes, you will still feel blacks deserve to be abused.

When you say "you"...?

Yes, I mean him personally, but all those who share his sentiment as well. Anyone who thinks they are justified to feel various levels of hate, discrimination, and entitled to the spoils of theft from black people, are justifying abuse of black people.

[MotownMadness]

If no one believed me when I said black people are just as racist if not more, then just read through some of Neutrals posts, wow. This is you're type of guy who sits around waiting for handouts and blames the white man for his problems.

[wigglestrue]

Its the power of words, of media. It's getting slightly better, but man, I remember going to the old yahoo boards, a stock market board, and messages would be filled with racist slurs and comments. Completely random. YouTube was the same way. America has and has always had a culture of racism. The idea of white superiority and black inferiority. It doesn't matter what blacks do, until that culture changes, you will still feel blacks deserve to be abused.

When you say "you"...?

Yes, I mean him personally, but all those who share his sentiment as well. Anyone who thinks they are justified to feel various levels of hate, discrimination, and entitled to the spoils of theft from black people, are justifying abuse of black people.

Rip It feels blacks deserve to be abused? Feels a level of hate, toward black people? What level have you measured him at? Feels entitled to the spoils of theft how?

You really believe all that? Please explain more. Or is it just weaponized rhetoric in a contest for Sapir-Whorf supremacy?

Do you wind up in the end finding yourself applying "all those who share his sentiment" to most white people and almost without fail any white people who disagree with your strong take?

[Roy The Natural]

Its racist garbage. The intent isn't to help, but to attack and demean. That sort of propaganda is incredibly destructive as it only enforces perceived inferiority. Groups that are oppressed and excluded generally have worse outcomes that those that aren't. An epidemic of single mothers? Sure, but check what those rates were for whites back in 1960 or 1970 and see what they are now.

You may be right about his intent, but if you just look at the words, he has a point.

Even with the reality of an unfair playing field, Black people, as a whole, do a lot to hurt ourselves.

His post, whatever his real intent may be, speaks to personal responsibility and accountabllity, and I for one would love for Black folks to march for that for a change.

As a result of 500 years of oppression, Black people suffer from a genuine post traumatic stress disease, but even though this may be true, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for the many consistently ignorant acts that we do to hurt ourselves, and this is undeniable if you are truly looking at the situation objectively and without bias.

And I really don't care if a member of the Klan says it directly from his own mouth, to me, truth is truth.

If you could argue that, generally speaking, white people are "sick", you have to concede that Black people are equally as "sick", if not more.

Let's call a spade a spade.

Change to what? The problem is society is sick, and blacks will be more negatively affected by these same sicknesses. This is a violent, sexist, materialistic society, so it is no surprise we see some of the things we do. Whites did not pull themselves up by the bootstraps. The wealth of the white middle class was created through a massive, historic, welfare program. As long as this remains a blacks just need to be better people narrative, nothing will change. It is the very excuse being used to deny any real change.

Sorry an abuser will always be sicker than the abused, and while they both need help, the narrative is a dishonest one that shouldn't be embraced and conceded.

WHHAAAAAATTTT!!!!!!!?????? You're insane... My father's real father was an abusive alcoholic who beat the **** of his mother, him, and his sisters. They packed up and ran away when he was 8. He started working when in construction he was 14, he worked after school every day and on the weekends. He started out hammering nails into scaffolding, and for 30 years he slowly worked his way up in the field. He's now the COO of a small construction company making really good money, he's worked over 50 hours a week and through weekends the vast majority of his life.

Racial profiling does exist, and it is wrong and needs to be fixed, but quite frankly, I find the implied notion that white people, and non-blacks in general don't pull themselves up by the bootstraps everyday in this country insulting. You aren't handed a ruby talisman and a golden ticket for success when you're born as a white infant.

You wanna make a change? Then go out there protest the damn budget cuts to education around the country. Everything starts at school, poor neighborhoods in general are far more of an issue than actual racism. Awful education, horrible crime-rates, and a lack of upwards mobility in these regions are far more damaging than racial profiling from your local police force.

[Bill Bradley]

If no one believed me when I said black people are just as racist if not more, then just read through some of Neutrals posts, wow. This is you're type of guy who sits around waiting for handouts and blames the white man for his problems.

Actually he has been quite calm and restrained. When did he blame anyone for "his problems"?

This is a standard false argument against perfectly reasoned statements that injustice towards black people exists. Because someone points out racism and injustice doesn't mean they are "blaming" someone for their problems. People can point out injustice and also the impacts of racist systems and still at the same time take responsibility for their behavior. The two are not mutually exclusive.

We as a society NEED to call out racism wherever we see it or else it won't go away. Does pointing out and trying to correct injustice mean that people of color should avoid taking personal responsibility? Of course not.

MotownMadness I wonder what your thoughts are about the recent federal government investigation that concluded a systematic pattern of racism on the part of the Ferguson police department. Do you think they were wrong that there was a pattern of racism and discrimination there? Or maybe it just so happened that this is the only racist police department in the country?

[Bill Bradley]

If no one believed me when I said black people are just as racist if not more, then just read through some of Neutrals posts, wow. This is you're type of guy who sits around waiting for handouts and blames the white man for his problems.

Wow, I can't believe that you think it's okay to type some of the things that you do.

More personal attacks from you towards someone who is simply stating his views of some of the problems of our society. Nowhere did he even talk about his personal situation. Your posts are truly sad.

[MotownMadness]

If no one believed me when I said black people are just as racist if not more, then just read through some of Neutrals posts, wow. This is you're type of guy who sits around waiting for handouts and blames the white man for his problems.

Actually he has been quite calm and restrained. When did he blame anyone for "his problems"?

This is a standard false argument against perfectly reasoned statements that injustice towards black people exists. Because someone points out racism and injustice doesn't mean they are "blaming" someone for their problems. People can point out injustice and also the impacts of racist systems and still at the same time take responsibility for their behavior. The two are not mutually exclusive.

We as a society NEED to call out racism wherever we see it or else it won't go away. Does pointing out and trying to correct injustice mean that people of color should avoid taking personal responsibility? Of course not.

MotownMadness I wonder what your thoughts are about the recent federal government investigation that concluded a systematic pattern of racism on the part of the Ferguson police department. Do you think they were wrong that there was a pattern of racism and discrimination there? Or maybe it just so happened that this is the only racist police department in the country?

The two of you are acting like little girls instead of men in my opinion. You're not just going to change the opinion of every white racist but just fuel it more. Same goes for blacks who show a tendency to segregate races constantly. You need grow a set of balls get out there and quit worrying about every little person not liking you. And in Neutrals and your case it's pretty easy to see why you two don't get along with white people because you both show a lot of racist tendencies.