Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

[MelosSoreWrist]

Doc, stop smoking the ganja....

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gonna have to second this. we're talking about a hypothetical with virtually no chance of taking place.

he would trade down before that.

no spoilers: has anyone seen the movie draft day? kevin costner? i thought it was pretty good, in a cheesy kind of way.

That was what I was thinking when I was reading this thread. If PJackson has a note in his pocket that reads "Cauley Stein no matter what" we are in trouble.

[siar617]

It's called maximizing resources. Yes, of course they can have Towns in a minimal role to start but that isn't maximizing resources IF the plan is to try to win in Anthony's prime...which is only another year or two.

a minimal role starting off on offense doesn't mean a minimal role on defense.

It means half a role.

No he can still shoot, pass, set picks, run fast break, hit free throws, run pick & roll and just generally move the ball within the offense.

[siar617]

Half a role is play offense only and having no defensive awareness about you.

[Johnny Hoops]

I wouldn't mind WCS in a scenario where we select #1 or #2 and subsequently trade the pick for WCS and other assets.

Let's say the Kings drafted WCS and we had Towns. Phil knows we need multiple assets --- maybe we move Towns/Calderon for WCS/Collison/McLemore and future 1st from Kings.

We come out of the trade with a starting C and a new starting back-court. We add 2 more pieces in FA -- lets say we sign Monroe and T-Harris.

Collison/Galloway
McLemore/THJ
Melo/T-Harris
Monroe
WCS

At least in this scenario -- we are adding to our depth without spending on older FAs and we'd probably be leaving enough room to add a MAX player in 2016 and we'd also have a 2016 pick from Kings.

Not sure it's a great plan but one example.

[NY2TheBay]

I feel real comfortable with Russell. After that Im rolling with Okafor. This is in terms of what I feel are the most for certain prospects.

Towns could be special but he'll have to do a lot of polishing on his game and sometimes when the money is flowing in and the competition is much better one can get gun shy.

[Retired_Doc]

I wouldn't mind WCS in a scenario where we select #1 or #2 and subsequently trade the pick for WCS and other assets.

Let's say the Kings drafted WCS and we had Towns. Phil knows we need multiple assets --- maybe we move Towns/Calderon for WCS/Collison/McLemore and future 1st from Kings.

We come out of the trade with a starting C and a new starting back-court. We add 2 more pieces in FA -- lets say we sign Monroe and T-Harris.

Collison/Galloway
McLemore/THJ
Melo/T-Harris
Monroe
WCS

At least in this scenario -- we are adding to our depth without spending on older FAs and we'd probably be leaving enough room to add a MAX player in 2016 and we'd also have a 2016 pick from Kings.

Not sure it's a great plan but one example.

It's a very good plan, Johnny, but there are two problems: I'm not at all sure the Kings would take Calderon and I'm not so sure they would hand us their 2016 first rounder. They would sure have to consider Towns three times the player WCS is, and frankly Towns is not three times the player WCS is.

[ibraheim718]

For what its worth NBAdraft.net moved Towns from 4 to 1 on their mock yesterday. Jah from 1 to 3 with Russell at 2. Scouts are seeing the same things many of us are it seems.

Do you know how many scouts we alone have? Close to 10. Now multiply that by 30 NBA teams. Supposedly 2 scouts chose Towns.. and you word it like it's a referendum. If I might ask are you involved in politics?

Ha it's not just 2 scouts feller. You know this.

Nah.. what I do know is nobody knows. I would say right now.. it might have moved a little from a sure fire lock for Jah to maybe it depends on what team has #1 but I'm iffy on that whole situation. Portland drafted for fit when they chose Oden and how it turned out scared the ish out of everyone. I've went from "I'd be shocked" if anyone but Jah went #1 to "It wouldn't surprise me" if someone other than him went #1 with the disclaimer that GM's do stupid things all the time.

Bottom line.. when a player is that good at one thing and that one thing is putting the ball in the bucket you take him #1 and you worry about the other stuff later because you can make up the other stuff in so man different ways.

You got half these cats on here afraid to draft him because of what's happened in the past and to me that's an extremely ignorant way of looking at things. It's that battered wife syndrome rearing it's ugly head again. Then you got other cats wanting to draft Towns because he "fits" the city more.. Them same clowns would've passed on Tim Duncan.

Right now.. today.. he's the best player in the draft and it really ain't even close (maybe the guard can do something special in the tournament). He's played through injury, he's played heavy minutes, he's been game planned against, and he's played through adversity. You have #1 or we have #1 and you take him. I've even heard analysts say Philly would be stupid to pass on him with their plethora of bigs. What he does great is highly valuable and extremely rare in the league.. it's been keeping Zach Randolph's bank account full and he's the antithesis of this "modern" style of basketball y'all have been pushing. Well let me tell you another thing.. the NBA is constantly changing and I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing more young kids coming up with strong back to the basket games from watching a kid like Jah play ball. It's a lost art form and quite frankly I'd like to see it return with us spearheading the movement.

[god4gives]

Phil Jackson would probably select Kaminsky ahead of WCS & Myles Turner

Kaminsky would fit perfectly in the triangle and he has a better offensive game than Towns. Kaminsky also has a better offensive game than Okafor. Okafor just has a better post game

[ibraheim718]

For what its worth NBAdraft.net moved Towns from 4 to 1 on their mock yesterday. Jah from 1 to 3 with Russell at 2. Scouts are seeing the same things many of us are it seems.

Do you know how many scouts we alone have? Close to 10. Now multiply that by 30 NBA teams. Supposedly 2 scouts chose Towns.. and you word it like it's a referendum. If I might ask are you involved in politics?

i gotta say man i'm with you on your stance of rim protection being overrated. i think a good example i think is the clippers. jordan gets all the highlight blocks but 6 foot nothing cp3 is their most impactful defensive player.

The head of the snake my man.

[Retired_Doc]

As many of you know I was on the Towns wagon for quite a few months and considered him a better pick than OK4. And I still do. BUT WCS sure had one fantastic tourney. If he plays like this in the next several games he COULD pass both Towns and OK4 by.

If I had to go out on a limb here, let me predict this: More than likely (and barring a major upset) we are gonna see Wisconsin play KY in the final four. Depending upon who (if anyone) stops Kaminsky, and depending upon whether KY wins and who for UK steps up big, then we might know where Towns and WCS are gonna be picked in the draft.

So that's down the road apiece. But right now WCS outplayed every single player in the SEC tourney including Towns.

And here is yet another possible scenario: Kaminsky. Other than the poster god4gives and myself, everyone here has Kaminsky being picked somewhere between 12 and 15. I strongly disagree. IF Kaminsky has a great game against UK and if Wisc wins, Kaminsky could fly up the charts. WCS is the only Wildcat who can stop Kaminsky. Towns cannot.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I wouldn't mind WCS in a scenario where we select #1 or #2 and subsequently trade the pick for WCS and other assets.

Let's say the Kings drafted WCS and we had Towns. Phil knows we need multiple assets --- maybe we move Towns/Calderon for WCS/Collison/McLemore and future 1st from Kings.

We come out of the trade with a starting C and a new starting back-court. We add 2 more pieces in FA -- lets say we sign Monroe and T-Harris.

Collison/Galloway
McLemore/THJ
Melo/T-Harris
Monroe
WCS

At least in this scenario -- we are adding to our depth without spending on older FAs and we'd probably be leaving enough room to add a MAX player in 2016 and we'd also have a 2016 pick from Kings.

Not sure it's a great plan but one example.

If Phil did that i'd be like

[mpharris36]

Phil Jackson would probably select Kaminsky ahead of WCS & Myles Turner

Kaminsky would fit perfectly in the triangle and he has a better offensive game than Towns. Kaminsky also has a better offensive game than Okafor. Okafor just has a better post game

again someone hand me a sawed off shotgun

[swisscheeseD]

Phil Jackson would probably select Kaminsky ahead of WCS & Myles Turner

Kaminsky would fit perfectly in the triangle and he has a better offensive game than Towns. Kaminsky also has a better offensive game than Okafor. Okafor just has a better post game

again someone hand me a sawed off shotgun

Why not just hand it to god4gives, he's already proven good at shooting himself in the foot...maybe he'll put his money where his mouth is.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Phil Jackson would probably select Kaminsky ahead of WCS & Myles Turner

Kaminsky would fit perfectly in the triangle and he has a better offensive game than Towns. Kaminsky also has a better offensive game than Okafor. Okafor just has a better post game

again someone hand me a sawed off shotgun

He must be Kaminsky's cousin or something

[JBreezeNY]

Phil Jackson would probably select Kaminsky ahead of WCS & Myles Turner

Kaminsky would fit perfectly in the triangle and he has a better offensive game than Towns. Kaminsky also has a better offensive game than Okafor. Okafor just has a better post game

More versatile =/= better

Okafor's post game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kaminsky's offense

[Retired_Doc]

For some reason most of you are unwilling to recognize Kaminsky's talents. I say he's Dirk lite. And might even someday equal Dirk. You folks are underrating Kaminsky.

It appears that only god4gives and myself appreciate Kaminsky's skills.

If Kaminsky ends up being ROY next year most of you folks are going to look quite foolish.

Worst yet, you will all have to admit god4gives was right. Ouch, dat gonna hoit!

[alphad0gz]

The general consensus among a lot of scouts is that Towns is the guy you draft for 3 years from now. With Carmelo Anthony in tow, that's not a "better fit". Towns would be a better fit if the Knicks trade Anthony or didn't resign Anthony and instead went on rebuilding from scratch...or Jackson somehow manages to turn Carmelo Anthony into a vampire.

I hear what you're saying but who would play defense on the front line? Is there that guy in the FA pool that can make us sound defensively up front? Surely, if Uncle Lou can score 8 points, shouldn't we able to assume that Towns should be able to score 12-15? His offensive game is much further developed than Amundson's. Seems like it would be much easier to find an offensive-minded forward than a guy who will grab 10+ boards, block a couple of shots, move the ball, and anchor the defense without being an offensive liability. I'm just saying that it seems like it would be easier to build a team around Melo/Towns rather than Melo/Okafor. What direction would you go if we got OK4? What way if we got Towns?

[NBA Fan 1234]

So many bad posts...

Always the same posters...

[Retired_Doc]

Phil Jackson would probably select Kaminsky ahead of WCS & Myles Turner

Kaminsky would fit perfectly in the triangle and he has a better offensive game than Towns. Kaminsky also has a better offensive game than Okafor. Okafor just has a better post game

More versatile =/= better

Okafor's post game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kaminsky's offense

Kaminsky's all-around game and defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OK4's all-around game and impact on a given game.

Near the end of the fourth quarter in an NBA game OK4 will be glued to the bench. No D, no FT skills.

[FemaleDogPlease]

I don't see the Knicks trading down to be honest. However if they don't get the first it second pick I can see them drafting WCS. Knicks need a center and I can easily see Okafor and Towns going in the top 2 spots on size alone. So that would leave WCS as the next best big.