6th man of the year

[chuckdevlin]

Mirotic deserves it over Lou. Much better player.

[Deadpool Raptor]

Rudy Gobert based on a technical reading of the rules.

IT based on what it is meant to be.

Lou Williams will actually win it.

Hey just wondering, what's "a technical reading of the rules"?

[Ricard]

Mirotic is playing Toni Kukoc level in his rookie year. Just sick.

[Doctor MJ]

Interesting.

To me the obvious choice is Andre Iguodala. Here you have a Top 5 player on by far the best team in the league moved to the bench for the express purpose of strengthening a bench that in previous years had been terrible - and succeeding. It's basically precisely the type of candidate the award was created for, and yet he's not even on most people's radar. I guess people are still going by points & rebounds mostly.

I will say I'm sympathetic to a Rudy Gobert vote based on the fact that he's eligible and he's been huge, but if you're going by what the award was meant to be, it's Iggy.

[CallOfKtulu]

Interesting.

To me the obvious choice is Andre Iguodala. Here you have a Top 5 player on by far the best team in the league moved to the bench for the express purpose of strengthening a bench that in previous years had been terrible - and succeeding. It's basically precisely the type of candidate the award was created for, and yet he's not even on most people's radar. I guess people are still going by points & rebounds mostly.

I will say I'm sympathetic to a Rudy Gobert vote based on the fact that he's eligible and he's been huge, but if you're going by what the award was meant to be, it's Iggy.

Unfortunately, point production seems to be the only thing people look at when it comes to this award, so Iguodala will probably be overlooked even though he's clearly a better all around player than anyone on this list. Lou freaking Williams is being considered over him. That dude does one thing and one thing only (score), and he doesn't even do it efficiently. Meanwhile, Iguodala defends at an elite level, can run the offense and set up teammates, and scores efficiently.

[Madhouse]

Interesting.

To me the obvious choice is Andre Iguodala. Here you have a Top 5 player on by far the best team in the league moved to the bench for the express purpose of strengthening a bench that in previous years had been terrible - and succeeding. It's basically precisely the type of candidate the award was created for, and yet he's not even on most people's radar. I guess people are still going by points & rebounds mostly.

I will say I'm sympathetic to a Rudy Gobert vote based on the fact that he's eligible and he's been huge, but if you're going by what the award was meant to be, it's Iggy.

Unfortunately, point production seems to be the only thing people look at when it comes to this award, so Iguodala will probably be overlooked even though he's clearly a better all around player than anyone on this list. Lou freaking Williams is being considered over him. That dude does one thing and one thing only (score), and he doesn't even do it efficiently. Meanwhile, Iguodala defends at an elite level, can run the offense and set up teammates, and scores efficiently.

12 PER not gonna get it done and deservingly so.

[Rapcity_11]

Interesting.

To me the obvious choice is Andre Iguodala. Here you have a Top 5 player on by far the best team in the league moved to the bench for the express purpose of strengthening a bench that in previous years had been terrible - and succeeding. It's basically precisely the type of candidate the award was created for, and yet he's not even on most people's radar. I guess people are still going by points & rebounds mostly.

I will say I'm sympathetic to a Rudy Gobert vote based on the fact that he's eligible and he's been huge, but if you're going by what the award was meant to be, it's Iggy.

Unfortunately, point production seems to be the only thing people look at when it comes to this award, so Iguodala will probably be overlooked even though he's clearly a better all around player than anyone on this list. Lou freaking Williams is being considered over him. That dude does one thing and one thing only (score), and he doesn't even do it efficiently. Meanwhile, Iguodala defends at an elite level, can run the offense and set up teammates, and scores efficiently.

I'll take Iggy over Lou but come on dude, Lou Will scores efficiently. 56 TS% and only 1.8 TO's per 36 is very efficient.

[CallOfKtulu]

Interesting.

To me the obvious choice is Andre Iguodala. Here you have a Top 5 player on by far the best team in the league moved to the bench for the express purpose of strengthening a bench that in previous years had been terrible - and succeeding. It's basically precisely the type of candidate the award was created for, and yet he's not even on most people's radar. I guess people are still going by points & rebounds mostly.

I will say I'm sympathetic to a Rudy Gobert vote based on the fact that he's eligible and he's been huge, but if you're going by what the award was meant to be, it's Iggy.

Unfortunately, point production seems to be the only thing people look at when it comes to this award, so Iguodala will probably be overlooked even though he's clearly a better all around player than anyone on this list. Lou freaking Williams is being considered over him. That dude does one thing and one thing only (score), and he doesn't even do it efficiently. Meanwhile, Iguodala defends at an elite level, can run the offense and set up teammates, and scores efficiently.

12 PER not gonna get it done and deservingly so.

Does PER take into account his elite perimeter defense and intangibles, or his ability to run the offense effectively?

lol stat nerds. Stats are fine for supporting an argument, but it's totally useless if you're just gonna shout PER numbers at me. Watch the games.

[phillybird]

Iguodala is the best 6th man in the league but his stats just aren't good enough to win him the award.

[Doctor MJ]

Interesting.

To me the obvious choice is Andre Iguodala. Here you have a Top 5 player on by far the best team in the league moved to the bench for the express purpose of strengthening a bench that in previous years had been terrible - and succeeding. It's basically precisely the type of candidate the award was created for, and yet he's not even on most people's radar. I guess people are still going by points & rebounds mostly.

I will say I'm sympathetic to a Rudy Gobert vote based on the fact that he's eligible and he's been huge, but if you're going by what the award was meant to be, it's Iggy.

Unfortunately, point production seems to be the only thing people look at when it comes to this award, so Iguodala will probably be overlooked even though he's clearly a better all around player than anyone on this list. Lou freaking Williams is being considered over him. That dude does one thing and one thing only (score), and he doesn't even do it efficiently. Meanwhile, Iguodala defends at an elite level, can run the offense and set up teammates, and scores efficiently.

12 PER not gonna get it done and deservingly so.

No, not deservingly so. Iguodala is a defensive player. PER doesn't measure what he does.

Look, let me tell you what I see when I see people talking about Isaiah Thomas among others:

The 6th Man award exists to honor a guy who is a starter level player but because of the situation in question, the team is better served by letting him lead the 2nd unit. But this only makes sense if you have other quality players who make the 1st unit great to begin with. If you're the 6th Man on a bad team, it simply means that even though the guys in front of you suck, the coach still feels best keeping you out of the starting lineup.

As such, it's very difficult for me to ever get behind the idea that a guy on a bad team should be 6MOY. With Gobert it makes sense because the team being bad has everything to do with them not playing him more early on, which was due to them figuring out what they were going to do with Kanter, whose trade value would drop to the floor if he got benched. Gobert may well be an all-star next year, and as such, while it's philosophically weird to consider him for this award, at least we know he's a good enough player to warrant the award.

As I say all this some might point out that Isaiah probably should be starting based on how good he is compared to his teammates, but even to the extent we can agree on this, doesn't that make a mockery out of the award? You're supposed to get the award because it makes sense to give you the 6th Man role, not because your team is essentially tanking.

[Doctor MJ]

Unfortunately, point production seems to be the only thing people look at when it comes to this award, so Iguodala will probably be overlooked even though he's clearly a better all around player than anyone on this list. Lou freaking Williams is being considered over him. That dude does one thing and one thing only (score), and he doesn't even do it efficiently. Meanwhile, Iguodala defends at an elite level, can run the offense and set up teammates, and scores efficiently.

12 PER not gonna get it done and deservingly so.

Does PER take into account his elite perimeter defense and intangibles, or his ability to run the offense effectively?

lol stat nerds. Stats are fine for supporting an argument, but it's totally useless if you're just gonna shout PER numbers at me. Watch the games.

For the record: A true stat nerd wouldn't use PER at all. Use of PER to try to shut someone down puts one in a no man's land where neither traditional fans nor quantitatively capable fans are swayed.

[Ballerhogger]

Mirotiic he's been the soild rock for.the bulls . Without him I don't see them making a playoff spot. He will probably win it

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Mirotiic he's been the soild rock for.the bulls . Without him I don't see them making a playoff spot. He will probably win it

Wouldn't make the Playoffs without him? What?

He was hardly seeing any minutes and the Bulls were winning - pretty sure they were the 2 seed when they lost Rose, JB, and Taj. Have 2 All Stars in JB and Pau.

Mirotic has been huge since the ASB and is probably the reason they'll at least stay a 3 seed. But not make the Playoffs without him? That's comical. 2 or 3 of the East Playoff teams will be below .500...the Bulls could of forfeited the last 15 games of the season and still made the Playoffs....

[Ballerhogger]

Mirotiic he's been the soild rock for.the bulls . Without him I don't see them making a playoff spot. He will probably win it

Wouldn't make the Playoffs without him? What?

He was hardly seeing any minutes and the Bulls were winning - pretty sure they were the 2 seed when they lost Rose, JB, and Taj. Have 2 All Stars in JB and Pau.

Mirotic has been huge since the ASB and is probably the reason they'll at least stay a 3 seed. But not make the Playoffs without him? That's comical. 2 or 3 of the East Playoff teams will be below .500...the Bulls could of forfeited the last 15 games of the season and still made the Playoffs....

Butler was out for quite some time as well and I don't think Pau and Taj would be good be enough to stay in the race

[Ballerhogger]

Interesting.

To me the obvious choice is Andre Iguodala. Here you have a Top 5 player on by far the best team in the league moved to the bench for the express purpose of strengthening a bench that in previous years had been terrible - and succeeding. It's basically precisely the type of candidate the award was created for, and yet he's not even on most people's radar. I guess people are still going by points & rebounds mostly.

I will say I'm sympathetic to a Rudy Gobert vote based on the fact that he's eligible and he's been huge, but if you're going by what the award was meant to be, it's Iggy.

If I remember correctly he wasn't playing so well before ASB and his overall stats are not impressive enough

[Youkilledrock]

craig sager. we're all pulling for you.

[Doctor MJ]

Interesting.

To me the obvious choice is Andre Iguodala. Here you have a Top 5 player on by far the best team in the league moved to the bench for the express purpose of strengthening a bench that in previous years had been terrible - and succeeding. It's basically precisely the type of candidate the award was created for, and yet he's not even on most people's radar. I guess people are still going by points & rebounds mostly.

I will say I'm sympathetic to a Rudy Gobert vote based on the fact that he's eligible and he's been huge, but if you're going by what the award was meant to be, it's Iggy.

If I remember correctly he wasn't playing so well before ASB and his overall stats are not impressive enough

Well, just for people to keep in mind here's a good article about him:

http://www.warriorsworld.net/2015/03/23 ... am-player/

When we compare many of these other 6th men, they are relegated to the bench behind guys who couldn't even crack the Warrior rotation. Iguodala being this tertiary player on the Warriors should be seen as underwhelming to no one.

[TKainZero]

It has to be Iggy.
Former all-star, and piece in the Dwight howard-andrew Bynum mega trade, considered a star player, Team USA champion, coming off the bench for the best team in the NBA who are FAR AND AWAY ahead of the beasting Western Conference.

Gobert has to be technically number 2 right? He is a starter now, but I think he may qualify as a 6th man for the season. Jazz have the lowest PPG allowed in the nba for the season now, gobert is fantastic, and has arguments for most improved, and defensive player of the year as well.

Mirotic is fantastic. You figured with mirotic and mcdermout (remember him!) at least one of the 2 would be alright, but mirotic has stepped right in and done better than anyone thought.

Crawford, Williams, and Thomas are all kind of the same player, your instant offense scoring guard off the bench. Each has their own strengths.
Thomas in particular should not be picked. He pretty much was the reason PHX blew up, and traded dragic, and was traded himself, and PHX traded the lakers pick, so much horribleness happening should not be anywhere near the 6th man award


Ultimately it is a wide open race, and in my opinion, it should be Iggy. GS is having a historic season, they deserve it, Iggy is a huge part of it.

Also, frankly, the EAST is such a suckfest, they shouldn't win any awards.

MVP, ROY, COY, MIP, DPOY all should be western conference teams.
The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all NBA teams should be almost all Western players (LeBron can make it... and I cant think of another player that 100% deserves all-NBA. I mean, there are players you can argue for it, but not players that deserve it more than the western conference players do)

This really is Golden States possible greatest season (and one of the best of all time, stat wise, and the strength of the conference. (maybe marc Jackson is the perfect coach to hire, coach em up, and then bring a finisher in(would marc Jackson agree to sign a bunch of 2-3 year contracts and just become the new larry brown?(different style coach, but same kind of vagabond career?)))).

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Mirotiic he's been the soild rock for.the bulls . Without him I don't see them making a playoff spot. He will probably win it

Wouldn't make the Playoffs without him? What?

He was hardly seeing any minutes and the Bulls were winning - pretty sure they were the 2 seed when they lost Rose, JB, and Taj. Have 2 All Stars in JB and Pau.

Mirotic has been huge since the ASB and is probably the reason they'll at least stay a 3 seed. But not make the Playoffs without him? That's comical. 2 or 3 of the East Playoff teams will be below .500...the Bulls could of forfeited the last 15 games of the season and still made the Playoffs....

Butler was out for quite some time as well and I don't think Pau and Taj would be good be enough to stay in the race

Butler went out March 1st (missed 3 weeks), Bulls record was 5-7 without him. Bulls 4-6 without Taj (pretty much missed same games as JB). Rose went out a couple games before JB, Bulls are 9-8 since his recent surgery. Bulls would easily be in the Playoffs just winning at a .500 clip for the entire season...there's never been any doubt about their chances to make it.

I'm still baffled at how you think the Bulls would have fallen out of the Playoffs if Mirotic isn't balling like he is. Think most Bulls fans expected the Bulls to fall off without Rose, JB, and Taj for those few weeks - worst case was they drop to the 5 seed. Mirotic's play has helped the Bulls hold onto the 3 seed (although it's not just him, Snell played great in Butler's absence for example)

[og15]

You could at least put some stats up if you're gonna start the thread...

IT - per 36 22 ppg 5.5 apg on 57 TS% PER 20.1

Lou Will - per 36 22 ppg 2.8 apg on 59 TS% PER 19.6

Crawford - per 36 21.9 ppg 3 apg on 53 TS% PER 17.4

3Kola - per 36 17.8 ppg 9.0 rpg on 55 TS% PER 17.7

Andre - per 36 10.6 ppg 4.6 rpg on 56 TS% PER 12.7

Going by stats and team record I think It's hard not to give it to Lou Williams.

Well the stats we chose also affect it. Those stats don't encompass defensive contributions, and Iguodala is certainly winning that one by a long shot, and if you're adding team record...