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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1061 » by Johnlac1 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:04 pm

Wisconsin fans can't really moan too much about state players going elsewhere. We've taken our share of out of state kids (Leuer, Kaminsky, Taylor) who certainly could have been great helps to their own state's major programs. I just wish Uthoff had stayed. A frontline of Kaminsky, Dekker, Hayes, and Uthoff, would be the best in the country.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1063 » by Mags FTW » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:53 pm

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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1064 » by mattg » Wed Apr 1, 2015 12:42 am

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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1065 » by Diggr14 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 12:52 am

We all know that the only reason Stone is going to Maryland is because he got a bag of cash from someone at Under Armour for him to go play there at their "flagship" school.

He definitely got paid. There is no other reason he chose that program of all programs over the myriad of others interested in him. If you don't think he took the money.... :crazy:
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1066 » by chuckleslove » Wed Apr 1, 2015 12:56 am

Diggr14 wrote:We all know that the only reason Stone is going to Maryland is because he got a bag of cash from someone at Under Armour for him to go play there at their "flagship" school.

He definitely got paid. There is no other reason he chose that program of all programs over the myriad of others interested in him. If you don't think he took the money.... :crazy:



Maybe, or maybe like he said he just likes the coaching staff as a better fit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... wisconsin/

“The strength and conditioning coach for Maryland, Kyle [Tarp], he played a huge role,” Stone said. “He transformed Alex Len’s body. I feel like he could do the same with me. Coach Turgeon played a huge role, his coaching ability.”
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1067 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:08 am

Diggr14 wrote:We all know that the only reason Stone is going to Maryland is because he got a bag of cash from someone at Under Armour for him to go play there at their "flagship" school.

He definitely got paid. There is no other reason he chose that program of all programs over the myriad of others interested in him. If you don't think he took the money.... :crazy:

You look like a total douche saying a 18 year took a bribe with absolutely no evidence. Couldn't it just be as simple as him lining himself up to be the cover boy for UA the following year when he goes pro? Pure college athletics? No. But not the sham you are describing. If he was all about money, he could make 7 figures next year overseas.

Any chance bo retires if they win the ship? Dude is 68 and it could be a rough couple years if they lose Hayes, too.
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2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1068 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:18 am

The Stone conspiracy theories are one of the few times I believe something went on behind the scenes (just given that he was supposedly a commit) but I mean whatever...I'm over it. Good luck to him.

And maybe there wasn't...who knows.

I do worry about nobody over 6'8" but they'll be fine.
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2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1069 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:21 am

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Diggr14 wrote:We all know that the only reason Stone is going to Maryland is because he got a bag of cash from someone at Under Armour for him to go play there at their "flagship" school.

He definitely got paid. There is no other reason he chose that program of all programs over the myriad of others interested in him. If you don't think he took the money.... :crazy:



Maybe, or maybe like he said he just likes the coaching staff as a better fit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... wisconsin/

“The strength and conditioning coach for Maryland, Kyle [Tarp], he played a huge role,” Stone said. “He transformed Alex Len’s body. I feel like he could do the same with me. Coach Turgeon played a huge role, his coaching ability.”


This was the only odd thing. The Badgers have the former Bulls S&C guy. He's worked with NBA HOF players so I don't know where Alex Len's development is a key recruiting point.

But again...I don't even know if I'd have hung around if I was a huge bbal recruit. Whatever reason it was...he gone.
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Post#1070 » by jokeboy86 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 8:21 am

Where is this one and done talk with Stone coming from? I mean I think he's a top recruit but he doesnt scream out NBA ready like that to me. Its the same thing with Myles Turner declaring for the draft. I know some of these players are Mcdonalds All Americans but to me that doesnt mean they should automatically categorize themselves as declaring after one year. Idk maybe the draft classes each year are getting weaker.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1072 » by PackAttack9 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 8:31 am

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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1073 » by midranger » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:40 pm

I really wish UW would drop Adidas.

The cummerbund went out long ago. No need to reintroduce it now.

Just unimaginative and heinous all at once.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1074 » by Johnlac1 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 4:21 pm

Diggr14 wrote:We all know that the only reason Stone is going to Maryland is because he got a bag of cash from someone at Under Armour for him to go play there at their "flagship" school.

He definitely got paid. There is no other reason he chose that program of all programs over the myriad of others interested in him. If you don't think he took the money.... :crazy:

What!!! Elite college athletes getting things from alumni and other deep pockets boosters? That's difficult to believe. :lol:
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1075 » by Johnlac1 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 4:28 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Diggr14 wrote:We all know that the only reason Stone is going to Maryland is because he got a bag of cash from someone at Under Armour for him to go play there at their "flagship" school.

He definitely got paid. There is no other reason he chose that program of all programs over the myriad of others interested in him. If you don't think he took the money.... :crazy:

You look like a total douche saying a 18 year took a bribe with absolutely no evidence. Couldn't it just be as simple as him lining himself up to be the cover boy for UA the following year when he goes pro? Pure college athletics? No. But not the sham you are describing. If he was all about money, he could make 7 figures next year overseas.

Any chance bo retires if they win the ship? Dude is 68 and it could be a rough couple years if they lose Hayes, too.

It might be a combination of things. But like Uthoff, he just might not have liked Ryan's deliberate system. For many years Ryan had a well-deserved reputation for slow, boring basketball.
Wisconsin still plays at one of the slowest paces in the country. Obviously, Bo knows what he's doing and has developed many non-elite players into excellent players.
But maybe Stone figured that (1) he was good enough already and (2) Maryland coaches could do just as good a job helping him as Wisconsin (3) he wanted to go to a school that played faster, and he was planning on being one and done. A team that played at a faster tempo would help his stats look better. Might be as simple as that.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1076 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Apr 1, 2015 5:07 pm

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Diggr14 wrote:We all know that the only reason Stone is going to Maryland is because he got a bag of cash from someone at Under Armour for him to go play there at their "flagship" school.

He definitely got paid. There is no other reason he chose that program of all programs over the myriad of others interested in him. If you don't think he took the money.... :crazy:

You look like a total douche saying a 18 year took a bribe with absolutely no evidence. Couldn't it just be as simple as him lining himself up to be the cover boy for UA the following year when he goes pro? Pure college athletics? No. But not the sham you are describing. If he was all about money, he could make 7 figures next year overseas.

Any chance bo retires if they win the ship? Dude is 68 and it could be a rough couple years if they lose Hayes, too.

It might be a combination of things. But like Uthoff, he just might not have liked Ryan's deliberate system. For many years Ryan had a well-deserved reputation for slow, boring basketball.
Wisconsin still plays at one of the slowest paces in the country. Obviously, Bo knows what he's doing and has developed many non-elite players into excellent players.
But maybe Stone figured that (1) he was good enough already and (2) Maryland coaches could do just as good a job helping him as Wisconsin (3) he wanted to go to a school that played faster, and he was planning on being one and done. A team that played at a faster tempo would help his stats look better. Might be as simple as that.


Kentucky plays fairly slow and barely anyone averages much over over 10 ppg.

That said, yeah, whatever his reasons are are his reasons.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1077 » by Bernman » Wed Apr 1, 2015 5:53 pm

midranger wrote:I really wish UW would drop Adidas.

The cummerbund went out long ago. No need to reintroduce it now.

Just unimaginative and heinous all at once.


Apparently what we need to do is find a brand that practically nobody else uses at the time, allow them to get their feet in the NCAA door, and then they can steer top flite recruits to our program with promises of endorsement deals after college. Remember ASICS Gels? We could bring them back to stateside relevance, and in exchange they serve up Thon "The Widow" Maker on a silver platter. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1078 » by chonestown » Wed Apr 1, 2015 5:55 pm

Bernman wrote:
midranger wrote:I really wish UW would drop Adidas.

The cummerbund went out long ago. No need to reintroduce it now.

Just unimaginative and heinous all at once.


Apparently what we need to do is find a brand that practically nobody else uses at the time, allow them to get their feet in the NCAA door, and then they can steer top flite recruits to our program with promises of endorsement deals after college. Remember ASICS Gels? We could bring them back to stateside relevance, and in exchange they serve up Thon "The Widow" Maker on a silver platter. Don't hate the player, hate the game.


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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1079 » by emunney » Wed Apr 1, 2015 6:02 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:The Stone conspiracy theories are one of the few times I believe something went on behind the scenes (just given that he was supposedly a commit) but I mean whatever...I'm over it. Good luck to him.

And maybe there wasn't...who knows.

I do worry about nobody over 6'8" but they'll be fine.


1) If you were planning on going pro after one year, would you go to a school that has exclusively featured upperclassmen without a promise of playing time?

2) Do you think Bo would make that sort of promise?

I think the answer for 2 is definitely no, and for 1, it would be pretty difficult to commit to a school for a year that wasn't willing to commit to me for a year.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone to Maryland 

Post#1080 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Apr 1, 2015 7:05 pm

emunney wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:The Stone conspiracy theories are one of the few times I believe something went on behind the scenes (just given that he was supposedly a commit) but I mean whatever...I'm over it. Good luck to him.

And maybe there wasn't...who knows.

I do worry about nobody over 6'8" but they'll be fine.


1) If you were planning on going pro after one year, would you go to a school that has exclusively featured upperclassmen without a promise of playing time?

2) Do you think Bo would make that sort of promise?

I think the answer for 2 is definitely no, and for 1, it would be pretty difficult to commit to a school for a year that wasn't willing to commit to me for a year.


Who would start or play over Stone? They have no center on the roster. Literally nobody over 6'8" (if Dekker stays, he's 6'9" but not a center or PF really) on the roster, which is unprecedented for any year Ryan has ever coached there. Bo wouldn't even have to say it...come on, he'd play. Dekker played plenty and wasn't even as far along as Stone.

And again, I'm sure there are good reasons for why he chose Maryland. Most years, I'd grant that perception of Bo's team even if it was just an assumption by Stone...but Maryland's frontcourt has way more of a logjam.

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