2015-16 UW Badger Basketball Discussion Thread

Kerb Hohl · Post #1101 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 1:57 am

The only remote interest for 2015 is Maverick Rowan who reclassified to a 2015 recruit recently. 4-star SF.

He seems to be a lock to Louisville but the Badgers are in his list and he may visit Madison.

That said, it's a recruitment against several other high-profile teams, so you know how this one will finish up...

Bernman · Post #1102 » by **Bernman** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 2:04 am

xTitan wrote:
Diggr14 wrote:Any news on who they are going to target with that last scholarship remaining? Or do you guys think they bank it?

Guessing they bank it, this and Sam's scholarship will give them two for the following year, hopefully a big and a pg.

a. and leave them with a gaping hole in the middle for next year + super-thin depth-wise. There's nobody on the roster legitimately above 6'8", and there are only 11 scholarship players total, even counting Showalter who came in as a walk-on. Then you have 3 guys in the current recruiting class, between Illikainen, Thomas, and Pritzl; who all seem like realistic redshirt candidates.

b. it leaves them with extra scholarships to use next cycle.....until they're put in a similar position again. We banked a scholarship the previous cycle. Now we're banking two? There is no point to banking scholarships then. It's just being wasteful.

There is no excuse to not use at least one of the schollies, and get a guy above 6'8". Utah added Poeltl from nowhere after this time last year, Gonzaga did the same with Sabonis. Bo himself did it with non-centers like Brust and Evans. There are uncommitted prospects like All American C Stephen Zimmerman to go after, as well as internationals, grad transfers, sleepers/late bloomers, re-classifications (Maverick Rowan is a wing who is looking to do that, and is interested in UW), etc. Between all those routes, Bo should be able to fill one, or even both scholarships, if motivated and creative. We could even have a natty championship to sell when all said and done. I don't think that quite makes us a blue blood yet, but if we aspire to be one ourselves, we shouldn't be doing things like banking 2 scholarships. I'd guess a blue blood has never done that.

Kerb Hohl · Post #1103 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 2:51 am

Bo has never taken a grad transfer because he hates the rule, but maybe there's a first time for everything.

xTitan · Post #1104 » by **xTitan** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 3:13 am

Bernman wrote:
xTitan wrote:
Diggr14 wrote:Any news on who they are going to target with that last scholarship remaining? Or do you guys think they bank it?

Guessing they bank it, this and Sam's scholarship will give them two for the following year, hopefully a big and a pg.

a. and leave them with a gaping hole in the middle for next year + super-thin depth-wise. There's nobody on the roster legitimately above 6'8", and there are only 11 scholarship players total, even counting Showalter who came in as a walk-on. Then you have 3 guys in the current recruiting class, between Illikainen, Thomas, and Pritzl; who all seem like realistic redshirt candidates.

b. it leaves them with extra scholarships to use next cycle.....until they're put in a similar position again. We banked a scholarship the previous cycle. Now we're banking two? There is no point to banking scholarships then. It's just being wasteful.

There is no excuse to not use at least one of the schollies, and get a guy above 6'8". Utah added Poeltl from nowhere after this time last year, Gonzaga did the same with Sabonis. Bo himself did it with non-centers like Brust and Evans. There are uncommitted prospects like All American C Stephen Zimmerman to go after, as well as internationals, grad transfers, sleepers/late bloomers, re-classifications (Maverick Rowan is a wing who is looking to do that, and is interested in UW), etc. Between all those routes, Bo should be able to fill one, or even both scholarships, if motivated and creative. We could even have a natty championship to sell when all said and done. I don't think that quite makes us a blue blood yet, but if we aspire to be one ourselves, we shouldn't be doing things like banking 2 scholarships. I'd guess a blue blood has never done that.

Blue bloods do not redshirt players like UW does either, Pritzl isn't red shirting and no way both 6'8" guys redshirt ads well. I actually just read Rowan is reclassifying, I believe the interest is between UW and Louisville with the Cardinals in the lead. It's a bit dangerous going after a big this late, would love Zimmerman but doubt that is realistic.....more apt to find an Ian Markoff than you are a big who can actually come in and play. BO left a huge hole in this class, by not landing a legit big a couple years ago, instead going with Brown

xTitan · Post #1105 » by **xTitan** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 3:14 am

http://cbsprt.co/1IVRp6F just started reading this, how can UW beat Kentucky? With the best offense ever

jokeboy86 · Post #1106 » by **jokeboy86** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 1:28 pm

trwi7 wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:The Stones on that guy. I'm not saying I have sympathy for the devil, but you can't always get what you want.

Don't even start me up on this.

But this could be the last time for the Badgers, I dont know.

Ill-yasova · Post #1107 » by **Ill-yasova** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 1:47 pm

Rebounding is going to decide this game. If Bucky can limit the number of offensive rebounds Kentucky gets they have a good shot at winning the game. If not, it's a loss for sure.

Kerb Hohl · Post #1108 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 3:11 pm

xTitan wrote:
Bernman wrote:
xTitan wrote:
Guessing they bank it, this and Sam's scholarship will give them two for the following year, hopefully a big and a pg.

a. and leave them with a gaping hole in the middle for next year + super-thin depth-wise. There's nobody on the roster legitimately above 6'8", and there are only 11 scholarship players total, even counting Showalter who came in as a walk-on. Then you have 3 guys in the current recruiting class, between Illikainen, Thomas, and Pritzl; who all seem like realistic redshirt candidates.

b. it leaves them with extra scholarships to use next cycle.....until they're put in a similar position again. We banked a scholarship the previous cycle. Now we're banking two? There is no point to banking scholarships then. It's just being wasteful.

There is no excuse to not use at least one of the schollies, and get a guy above 6'8". Utah added Poeltl from nowhere after this time last year, Gonzaga did the same with Sabonis. Bo himself did it with non-centers like Brust and Evans. There are uncommitted prospects like All American C Stephen Zimmerman to go after, as well as internationals, grad transfers, sleepers/late bloomers, re-classifications (Maverick Rowan is a wing who is looking to do that, and is interested in UW), etc. Between all those routes, Bo should be able to fill one, or even both scholarships, if motivated and creative. We could even have a natty championship to sell when all said and done. I don't think that quite makes us a blue blood yet, but if we aspire to be one ourselves, we shouldn't be doing things like banking 2 scholarships. I'd guess a blue blood has never done that.

Blue bloods do not redshirt players like UW does either, Pritzl isn't red shirting and no way both 6'8" guys redshirt ads well. I actually just read Rowan is reclassifying, I believe the interest is between UW and Louisville with the Cardinals in the lead. It's a bit dangerous going after a big this late, would love Zimmerman but doubt that is realistic.....more apt to find an Ian Markoff than you are a big who can actually come in and play. BO left a huge hole in this class, by not landing a legit big a couple years ago, instead going with Brown

Rowan has a final 8 basically that involves Florida, UCLA, Louisville, NC State, and others I am forgetting at this point. UW was one of the 3-4 he mentioned as a possible visit destination.

Long story short: Not getting my hopes up.

Diggr14 · Post #1109 » by **Diggr14** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 11:24 am

I guess when it comes to recruiting.. Let's win the whole freaking thing and worry about it later. Everyone and their brother will be watching us play Kentucky... if that isn't the best form of recruiting (outside of bags of cash) what is? I hope Diamond Stone enjoys their athletic trainer... Does anyone actually buy that load of ****? Two final fours... and counting.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1110 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 1:29 pm

Diggr14 wrote:I guess when it comes to recruiting.. Let's win the whole freaking thing and worry about it later. Everyone and their brother will be watching us play Kentucky... if that isn't the best form of recruiting (outside of bags of cash) what is? I hope Diamond Stone enjoys their athletic trainer... Does anyone actually buy that load of ****? Two final fours... and counting.

I actually heard the best form of recruiting is slandering recruits who chose another school.

chuckleslove · Post #1111 » by **chuckleslove** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 2:28 pm

Diggr14 wrote:I guess when it comes to recruiting.. Let's win the whole freaking thing and worry about it later. Everyone and their brother will be watching us play Kentucky... if that isn't the best form of recruiting (outside of bags of cash) what is? I hope Diamond Stone enjoys their athletic trainer... Does anyone actually buy that load of ****? Two final fours... and counting.

I do believe it, I am self employed, I regularly work for a few companies that I charge less/give a discount over companies that would pay me more because I like them more. A lot of human interaction is how you feel being involved with any given person.

I wasn't an athlete in high school but I went to high school in Illinois and didn't apply for or consider a single college in Illinois(granted I was born in Wisconsin and identify with this state). I went to a school in the Seattle area.

Could there be more to this story? Sure, but you really come off as sour grapes, there are a LOT of reasons why a kid would go to any particular school, in fact I would argue that geographical location is the least important factor when choosing a school if you have the luxury to choose multiple options.

Gianstoppable · Post #1112 » by **Gianstoppable** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 2:41 pm

trwi7 wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:The Stones on that guy. I'm not saying I have sympathy for the devil, but you can't always get what you want.

Don't even start me up on this.

They just can't get no satisfaction..

Post #1113 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 4:47 pm

Gianstoppable wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:The Stones on that guy. I'm not saying I have sympathy for the devil, but you can't always get what you want.

Don't even start me up on this.

They just can't get no satisfaction..

Yeah, it's like they're having their 19th nervous breakdown.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #1114 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 5:00 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Gianstoppable wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
Don't even start me up on this.

They just can't get no satisfaction..

Yeah, it's like they're having their 19th nervous breakdown.

I'd recommend some of mother's little helper.

xTitan · Post #1115 » by **xTitan** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 7:14 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Gianstoppable wrote:
They just can't get no satisfaction..

Yeah, it's like they're having their 19th nervous breakdown.

I'd recommend some of mother's little helper.

I guess no Brown Sugar

HaroldinGMinor · Post #1116 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 6:45 pm

Too bad UW redshirted Happ and HIll. Just think what they could have done with them on the court!

Bernman · Post #1117 » by **Bernman** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 7:12 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:Too bad UW redshirted Happ and HIll. Just think what they could have done with them on the court!

Easy to say something like that in hindsight, with Tre returning when he did, Showalter getting a pulse, Dukan pulling his head out his butt enough, and players not getting into foul trouble at key times. And it's still not over, so who knows what happens in the finale.

Anyways, I never predicted the lack of depth would be the team's downfall. Here is my lone bracket. http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/entry?entryID=2066776 The insurance would have been important in a season when we're serious national champ contenders though. One would think if anything this run would reinforce that we should have had the attitude of "going all in" this season. And how much would we really have been risking? We don't know if Happ will even stay all 5, and Hill we'd have plenty of time to replace. Not everybody needs to be a redshirt senior.

You have a real unhealthy tendency of twisting statements made by fellow Badgers' fans who supposedly aren't as good of fans as you, as if, ironically, winning against actual opponents is not nearly enough for you. You have to contrive extra adversaries for max satisfaction. If turnabout is fair play, maybe I should take a shot at you about being persistently leery of the defense, thinking that could do them in, instead of depth. Neither has been enough of an issue up until this point, obviously.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #1118 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 7:27 pm

Bernman wrote:
HaroldinGMinor wrote:Too bad UW redshirted Happ and HIll. Just think what they could have done with them on the court!

Easy to say something like that in hindsight, with Tre returning when he did, Showalter getting a pulse, Dukan pulling his head out his butt enough, and players not getting into foul trouble at key times. And it's still not over, so who knows what happens in the finale.

Anyways, I never predicted the lack of depth would be the team's downfall. Here is my lone bracket. http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/entry?entryID=2066776 The insurance would have been important in a season when we're serious national champ contenders though. One would think if anything this run would reinforce that we should have had the attitude of "going all in" this season. And how much would we really have been risking? We don't know if Happ will even stay all 5, and Hill we'd have plenty of time to replace. Not everybody needs to be a redshirt senior.

You have a real unhealthy tendency of twisting statements made by fellow Badgers' fans who supposedly aren't as good of fans as you, as if, ironically, winning against actual opponents is not nearly enough for you. You have to contrive extra adversaries for max satisfaction. If turnabout is fair play, maybe I should take a shot at you about being persistently leery of the defense, thinking that could do them in, instead of depth. Neither has been enough of an issue up until this point, obviously.

It was an easy thing to say in foresight.

LUKE23 · Post #1119 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:15 pm

Well, looking to next year, be interesting to see Dekker's decision but have to think he's gone. If he's back, I think we have the best frontcourt in the Big Ten again, pretty easily. But I'm really high on Happ. Sounds like he's pushing 6-10 now, and has been killing on the glass in practice even against guys like Dekker/Kaminsky. Dekker/Hayes/Happ would be awesome next year.

http://host.madison.com/sports/college/ ... 45ae6.html

“He’s going to be one of the better players ever to wear the Badger uniform,” Ryan said. “He has accepted his role of being the big man for the other team in every practice. He’s non-stop, he’s improved in so many areas, and he loves to compete.”

Gotta hope Pritzl is ready to play, not sure I want either of Hill or Showalter as the starting SG. Would really like a sniper there.

Iheartfootball · Post #1120 » by **Iheartfootball** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:10 pm

So Happ replaces Dekker. Koenig, Hayes are back. Who replaces the backcourt? Vitto Brown and who else? They can't bang with anyone. Plus I saw Frank was like a point center in his distribution.

From here I see Sweet Sixteen and out next year.

I think Marquette should be pretty good. But that's for another thread.