Official 2015 NBA Draft Discussion Thread [ft. TyCobb]

[ALL HAIL]

Willie Cauley Stein is so hyped. If his team went 32 and 7, no one went be speaking of him this highly. I like Myles Turner so much more.

Some of you all need to stop being slaves to the draft website rankings. I swear if a popular website drops Cauley Stein tomorrow, many of you would stop talking about him entirely.

[Mirjalovic]

i watched WCS live on TV and impressed on how he is so quick, aqile and has good jump. His size pretty good too.

Myles ? exact opposite of WCS.

[Pointgod]

Reading the scouting report of Okafor seemed similar to reading Demarcus Cousin's when he first came into the league. I still think he's top 2, but the way teams are reactive he could fall out of the top 3. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the 25 points per game scorer in the league.

[ALL HAIL]

i watched WCS live on TV and impressed on how he is so quick, aqile and has good jump. His size pretty good too.

Myles ? exact opposite of WCS.

I know the scouting report dude, and I've seen him play a hundred times. I like him, but last year he was projected around twenty and no one talked about him even though his numbers were more impressive. This year, he's been apart of the Kentucky hype machine, is projected at number five, and now he's on everyones lips.

News for you, he's essentially the same player as last year, the only real difference is that his team was more hyped.

[Mirjalovic]

Yeah, probably you're right.

we will see.

[miggs]

Oddly enough I too like Turner above WCS. I just feel that while WCS maybe be better now, I feel as a Junior he's pretty damn close to what he'll show for good, same issue as Kaminsky, not much room left to grown.

However, Turner is only a freshman, has excellent length, and I think if he falls into the right situation, he could surprise a lot of heads. He got lost in Texas' big men rotation IIRC so that's messed up his freshman stats, still if we end up with the 4th or 5th pick I wouldn't take either WCS nor Turner, then again I'm not sold on Winslow and Johnson as many are, even though I prefer Winslow to the two and have since early in the season when I saw a Duke game on TV, I just liked his attitude but neither of the two SFs struck me with star potential, definite solid role player potential though.

If we somehow landed another first round pick by trading Houston's to move up I'd love to steal the following guys:

1. Kevon Looney
2. Myles Turner
3. Mario Hezonja

These are all guys I think could fall in draft stock if they fail to show for some reason, however, I think Turner may even surprise some folks at the Combine. I'm really looking forward to that to see more of all these guys. We have many picks, up to 4, and man based on this CBA, I want to take the best player that will fit into our young core. I think we can pick up some solid choices even if we don't trade up and get to keep our pick.

[ratra_1211]

the one who controls rebound always control the game. Why ? because with rebound you can get more possessions. more possessions mean more chances, and minimizing your opponents chance means better defense. Thats why good bigs always necessary. unless we get words from Marc Gasol, i'll draft Town, Okafor or WCS over Winslow or Stanley. I still prefer Hezonja and Russell too over Winslow or Stanley.

i like Slam Dunk too

great point btw.

[Tarik_shaq]

So many of you guys wanting role players if we somehow get this pick. I.e.like last year where people wanted WCS and Aaron Gordon or possibily trading down to land stauskus and another late pick. For a team that does not have a future star in place for the near future, you draft the most dynamic player/the most all-star potential before you think about any complimentary pieces.

[ALL HAIL]

Oddly enough I too like Turner above WCS. I just feel that while WCS maybe be better now, I feel as a Junior he's pretty damn close to what he'll show for good, same issue as Kaminsky, not much room left to grown.

However, Turner is only a freshman, has excellent length, and I think if he falls into the right situation, he could surprise a lot of heads. He got lost in Texas' big men rotation IIRC so that's messed up his freshman stats, still if we end up with the 4th or 5th pick I wouldn't take either WCS nor Turner, then again I'm not sold on Winslow and Johnson as many are, even though I prefer Winslow to the two and have since early in the season when I saw a Duke game on TV, I just liked his attitude but neither of the two SFs struck me with star potential, definite solid role player potential though.

If we somehow landed another first round pick by trading Houston's to move up I'd love to steal the following guys:

1. Kevon Looney
2. Myles Turner
3. Mario Hezonja

These are all guys I think could fall in draft stock if they fail to show for some reason, however, I think Turner may even surprise some folks at the Combine. I'm really looking forward to that to see more of all these guys. We have many picks, up to 4, and man based on this CBA, I want to take the best player that will fit into our young core. I think we can pick up some solid choices even if we don't trade up and get to keep our pick.

The only way you move up from the bottom of the first round is by taking on a "bad"/undesirable contract in exchange.

I thought that OJ Mayo's 8 million dollar expiring would qualify, but unless Milwaukee is trying to clear space for a specific FA acquisition, I don't think, through the eyes of a team like Milwaukee, even that type of contract would be "bad" enough.

In today's NBA, some team will bite on Mario in the top 6 or 7, and Myles Turner won't make it past the Hawks.

[ALL HAIL]

Don't sleep on Kris Dunn miggs.

He's the guy I want if they trade up to the middle of the draft.

Bigman with the high pick; PG with the other pick; a 3&D knockdown shooter (Michael Frazier) at guard in the second round.

I like Kris Dunn so much, I'd consider dumping Clarkson (with Nick Young) to get him.

I'd do a Clarkson, Young, Houston pick trade to Milwaukee for their pick (Kris Dunn) and Mayo, but I highly doubt Milwaukee would be interested.

[miggs]

I have him on top 10 guards list as well, Dunn doesn't seem all that bad. To better help me understand NCAA scouting, I've divided up my top 10 lists into Centers, SF and Guards.

[miggs]

I don't like Dunn enough to dump Clarkson, but then again I'm not even a novice when it comes to ncaa scouting, I really miss the nuances some of you guys see before these guys even see an nba game. Two years ago I wanted Thomas Robinson, fell in love with a name the media through me, now look at the guy, just waiting for us to pick him up on the cheap so he can redeem himself.

[ALL HAIL]

I don't like Dunn enough to dump Clarkson, but then again I'm not even a novice when it comes to ncaa scouting, I really miss the nuances some of you guys see before these guys even see an nba game. Two years ago I wanted Thomas Robinson, fell in love with a name the media through me, now look at the guy, just waiting for us to pick him up on the cheap so he can redeem himself.

I had Thomas Robinson as a role player. I was right on him, but noone is right all the time.

I've seen Dunn play only a handful of times. When I first saw him play,my ithout knowing anything about him, I noticed how long he looked coupled with his speed and athleticism. When I watched him even closer, I noticed that although he seems to play out of control a lot, he was a remarkable passer. Upon watching him even further, I noticed that his jump shot looks really good,me specially from mid range. He also seemed willing to grab rebounds, and his anticipation for getting steals was rather uncanny.

Similar to dating, everyone has a type when it comes to roster construction. I like long armed, defensive versatility, so I almost always lean that way.

Dunn is a better passer than Clarkson, a better defender, better shooter, better rebounder, better athlete, and better leader.

Clarkson is a better finisher (he's elite) and is stronger.

If it meant excommunicating Nick Young and securing the rights to Dunn, I'd, reluctantly, make that happen.

Clarkson is a hard worker who is seizing the moment. Kudos to him, but if I could sell high on him before having to pay him, I would.

[TyCobb]

Clarkson has him beat on the athlete and shooting, but the rest is true. Not sure about the leader part either, but you're not getting that out of an rookie or future draftee early.

[ALL HAIL]

Clarkson has him beat on the athlete and shooting, but the rest is true. Not sure about the leader part either, but you're not getting that out of an rookie or future draftee early.

The athlete part is debatable. Clarkson's body control is very, very good.

The shooting is just better to me. His form looked so much better than Clarkson's. I suppose that's debatable as well, but I'm pretty sure I'm right Ty.

Leadership is an intangible. I saw Dunn connect with his teammates, I saw him be waaaaay more unselfish, and I saw him communicate on the court a lot more. Dunn's a playmaker, Clarkson not so much. That alone, to me, naturally makes you more of a leader.

Regardless though, I really, really like Kris Dunn. You know this Ty. If he were on this team, given the same opportunity as Clarkson, he'd be showing us all who's better in my opinion.

We'll see.

[TyCobb]

No doubt Dunn is a true PG. He'd be a good backcourt mate with Clarkson, more so than Russell in my opinion. Clarkson also brings intangibles to the table, and that's the never back down mentality along with aggressiveness and determination. I saw Dunn get locked up by Andrew Harrison and finish with 10 turnovers in the game--the same backcourt Clarkson and Jabari ran a train on in '14. Dunn has a great body, and great vision, so he definitely has a foundation to build on.

I don't think it's one or the other for lead guard. They compliment each other.

[ALL HAIL]

No doubt Dunn is a true PG. He'd be a good backcourt mate with Clarkson, more so than Russell in my opinion. Clarkson also brings intangibles to the table, and that's the never back down mentality along with aggressiveness and determination. I saw Dunn get locked up by Andrew Harrison and finish with 10 turnovers in the game. Dunn has a great body, and great vision, so he definitely has a foundation to build on.

I don't think it's one or the other for lead guard. They compliment each other.

That's the problem. Clarkson seems to need the ball in his hands to be effective.

With that in mind, he needs to play with a guard who is comfortable off the catch a shoot, a guy who can really stroke it.

Defensively, Dunn works well with Clarkson (he can guard either position and can help to hide Clarkson), but offensively, Clarkson needs a Jeff Hornacek-type combo guard to play with.

Clarkson, as far as I can remember back in Mizzou, needs to be an offensive focus. When you put him on a team with two other scorers, I question his fit.

Right now, to me, he's an ideal third guard with the two starting guards being good shooters and good defenders.

Close your eyes and imagine him as the backup PG and SG to Curry and Thompson. To me, that's where he'll prosper.

[ratedrdb]

Dragic should be our free agent target.. and with a possiable love or Monroe
pg-dragic
sg--kobe.....Clarkson 3rd g
sf--winslow
pf==randle or love
c--black or Monroe
but rondo would like to be here but in 2 yrs
pg--westbrook
sg-clarkson
sf--winslow
pf--love
c--black or Darki Johnson

[LApwnd]

Don't sleep on Kris Dunn miggs.

He's the guy I want if they trade up to the middle of the draft.

Bigman with the high pick; PG with the other pick; a 3&D knockdown shooter (Michael Frazier) at guard in the second round.

I like Kris Dunn so much, I'd consider dumping Clarkson (with Nick Young) to get him.

I'd do a Clarkson, Young, Houston pick trade to Milwaukee for their pick (Kris Dunn) and Mayo, but I highly doubt Milwaukee would be interested.

you have that Hienki mentality.....trading a proven player for "hopes/dreams" ala Sixers trading MCW for pick Pho owns from us. While MCW nor Clarkson are proven stars, they have proven they can play in this league. You're just "hoping" Dunn turns out as good.

[jc6666]

if our picks at the 4 o r5 pick after the nba lottery
who we should draft for our future?
WCS? Winslow? Hezonja? OTHERS?