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Mulhollanddrive wrote:I wish this was year 1 of rebuilding. The currrent FO will not restart given they've made all the moves.
1UPZ wrote:Reggie Jackson is not better than Eric Bledsoe or Knight. He is a high usage PG,he puts up stats but he is inefficient.
Suns will (likely) not trade both Knight and Bledsoe out... They'll likely keep both or keep one. McD traded for both players so he sees them as important pieces.
The suns need a pass first PG though, Ish Smith was good at this role last year, never complained about shots and role.
RunDogGun wrote:Mulhollanddrive wrote:I wish this was year 1 of rebuilding. The currrent FO will not restart given they've made all the moves.
Why would you think that? Didn't we already trade both acquisitions from this past summer? It sure seems like their thinking is the antithesis of what you said, and have no problem getting rid of what didn't quite work for us, even those signed by this FO.
1UPZ wrote:Reggie Jackson is not better than Eric Bledsoe or Knight. He is a high usage PG,he puts up stats but he is inefficient.
Suns will (likely) not trade both Knight and Bledsoe out... They'll likely keep both or keep one. McD traded for both players so he sees them as important pieces.
The suns need a pass first PG though, Ish Smith was good at this role last year, never complained about shots and role.
HootieRules wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Mulhollanddrive wrote:I wish this was year 1 of rebuilding. The currrent FO will not restart given they've made all the moves.
Why would you think that? Didn't we already trade both acquisitions from this past summer? It sure seems like their thinking is the antithesis of what you said, and have no problem getting rid of what didn't quite work for us, even those signed by this FO.
They went double down on an expensive contract with one off-the-bench combo guard in Bledsoe. They're going to do the same with Knight. The writing is on the wall.
RunDogGun wrote:HootieRules wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Why would you think that? Didn't we already trade both acquisitions from this past summer? It sure seems like their thinking is the antithesis of what you said, and have no problem getting rid of what didn't quite work for us, even those signed by this FO.
They went double down on an expensive contract with one off-the-bench combo guard in Bledsoe. They're going to do the same with Knight. The writing is on the wall.
What does that have to do with my comment? Mul said that the FO won't restart because they made all the moves, yet they made the acquisitions this summer, and already moved both of them. So it doesn't seem like they have any trouble moving players that they themselves acquired, right?
SF88 wrote:If we let Knight walk and lose out on Matthews, Danny Green is a guy to look at. Championship pedigree, very unselfish, great teammate, elite shooter and elite defender and clutch.
HootieRules wrote:RunDogGun wrote:HootieRules wrote:They went double down on an expensive contract with one off-the-bench combo guard in Bledsoe. They're going to do the same with Knight. The writing is on the wall.
What does that have to do with my comment? Mul said that the FO won't restart because they made all the moves, yet they made the acquisitions this summer, and already moved both of them. So it doesn't seem like they have any trouble moving players that they themselves acquired, right?
The discussion was involving Knight. As in, it's likely they'll overpay to keep Knight because they gave up numerous assets to get him versus simply letting him walk. They did the same last summer with overpaying another combo guard in Bledsoe.
They gave up no assets to get Thomas or Tolliver.
I can requote the comment for you if you need it.Mulhollanddrive wrote:I wish this was year 1 of rebuilding. The currrent FO will not restart given they've made all the moves.
The Knight trade was an example of them not wanting to restart the rebuilding. They're doing everything they can to stay competitive for the 8 seed versus having a down year and getting a high pick. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.RunDogGun wrote:HootieRules wrote:RunDogGun wrote:What does that have to do with my comment? Mul said that the FO won't restart because they made all the moves, yet they made the acquisitions this summer, and already moved both of them. So it doesn't seem like they have any trouble moving players that they themselves acquired, right?
The discussion was involving Knight. As in, it's likely they'll overpay to keep Knight because they gave up numerous assets to get him versus simply letting him walk. They did the same last summer with overpaying another combo guard in Bledsoe.
They gave up no assets to get Thomas or Tolliver.
What are you talking about. I was responding to Mul's comment about the front office. The comment I quoted had nothing about Knight.Mulhollanddrive wrote:I wish this was year 1 of rebuilding. The currrent FO will not restart given they've made all the moves.
1UPZ wrote:Magic and 76ers could be targets for trades.
Suns / Magic
Bledsoe, Morris, Morris, Tucker, Pick 13
for
Gordon, Harris, Pick 5
*Still no shooting, but with the CAP SPACE created, Suns can then sign FAs to fill the lack of shooters.
*Harris is only 6'8, would be undersized for a PF, but he has a solid build and athleticism.
*Gordon is 6'9, super-athletic and has versatility to be Marion-lite with size. Develop him like Leonard/Marion, defense + versatile type player.
*Use pick 5 and Heat future picks to move top 4 to grab D'Angelo Russell, who can be developed as a long term PG/SG that compliments Goodwin and Knight. The trio of Russell, Goodwin and Knight become the future backcourt core.
C: Len / Wright / *Brown
PF: Harris / Gordon
SF: Warren / *Bogdanovic
SG: Goodwin / D'Angelo Russell / FA
PG: Knight / Goodwin / FA
Suns basically have a clean slate of young players who will be given the opportunity to prove themselves as NBA players. Knight is given the leadership role.
The team also has 4 finishers and 1 ball handler, hopefully solving the isolation/selfish issue the current Suns have.
Suns / 76ers
Bledsoe, Morris, Morris, Tucker, Pick 13
for
Noel OR Embiid
*Far fetch trade, Noel would be excellent next to Len. But 76ers doing this means they will draft Towns OR Okafor.
*Similar to the Noel trade, only see it happen if Towns OR Okafor goes to 76ers. Basically, they need scoring from the forward spot and a legit PG to run their offense/system.
C: Len / Wright
PF: Noel OR Embiid / FA
SF: Warren / *Bogdanovic
SG: Goodwin / FA
PG: Knight / FA
Len and Noel can compliment each other well due to both being very mobile, especially Noel. Noel is also better suited as a PF long term due to his lack of mass, better for his career longevity also.
Embiid and Len are trickier... both are similar, but I would develop Len as the outer player this way, similar to Greg Monroe or even Marc Gasol who plays outer with Randolph in the paint.
HootieRules wrote:The Knight trade was an example of them not wanting to restart the rebuilding. They're doing everything they can to stay competitive for the 8 seed versus having a down year and getting a high pick. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.RunDogGun wrote:HootieRules wrote:
The discussion was involving Knight. As in, it's likely they'll overpay to keep Knight because they gave up numerous assets to get him versus simply letting him walk. They did the same last summer with overpaying another combo guard in Bledsoe.
They gave up no assets to get Thomas or Tolliver.
What are you talking about. I was responding to Mul's comment about the front office. The comment I quoted had nothing about Knight.Mulhollanddrive wrote:I wish this was year 1 of rebuilding. The currrent FO will not restart given they've made all the moves.
MathiasPW wrote:Not sold on Knight as the PG. Take a look back at Bucks fans feedback on him back at the trade threads
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