Paul Pierce RIPS into Deron Williams and Joe Johnson

[MrDollarBills]

I find it weird that Pierce thought that last year was such a horrible experience. We dealt with injuries and a rookie head coach to start. From January 1st on - we were a VERY good team. We made it to the 2nd round. We would've went further without a doubt if we didn't meet up with Miami. Pierce came into the season out of shape - dealt with injuries. KG was pretty f'n bad to start and clearly couldn't handle PF duties. Deron having 2 bad ankles probably had more to do with his poor season than the "NY pressure" did.

It's funny that he's coming out with this stuff while playing for an awful team, awful system that's going nowhere in the playoffs unless they matchup with the worst team in the 1st round. It's not like he's playing for the Ubuntu Celtics right now. Last year was really worse?

I'm not saying he's wrong about Deron or Joe. It's just funny cause Pierce was awful to start the year. Awful when he was battling injuries. I guess he expected Brook, Deron, Joe to carry him?

You are seriously trying to refute Pierce?

KG and Pierce came in here thinking that Deron, Joe, and Lopez would lead the squad and they would be roleplayers

You are an ENABLER.

Read anything I wrote before responding please.

I did. In true homer fashion, you want to shoot the messenger, and making excuses for Deron. I don't give a **** about his ankles. His ankles have been fixed and guess what? HE STILL **** ING SUCKS.

[Dirk]

Not disputing the validity of Pierce's remarks, but it's ironic, considering the Wizards have looked god awful for prolonged stretches this season... when you often asked yourself, where's the veteran leadership of that team.

[ChosunX]

Not disputing the validity of Pierce's remarks, but it's ironic, considering the Wizards have looked god awful for prolonged stretches this season... when you often asked yourself, where's the veteran leadership of that team.

They need a better coach who clicks with the players.

[lkitt0804]

"It was just the guys' attitudes there. It wasn't like we were surrounded by a bunch of young guys. They were vets who didn't want to play and didn't want to practice. I was looking around saying, 'What's this?' Kevin (Garnett) and I had to pick them up every day in practice."

That's Ripping into the ENTIRE team.

He tore Deron a new ****.

What he said about Joe has always been well known. He's a quiet, reserved guy, not a leader. He said he's an affable professional meaning: friendly, good-natured, or easy to talk to.

I don't know how that's tearing into the guy. Just stating something we always knew. He didn't say he didn't want to perform at a high level which he did say about Deron.

Deron sucks. But that doesn't mean that Joe doesn't suck too. Joe's still the highest paid Nets player. He's just as much to blame as Deron is. There's plenty of blame to go around for everyone.

[kerry kittles]

"It was just the guys' attitudes there. It wasn't like we were surrounded by a bunch of young guys. They were vets who didn't want to play and didn't want to practice. I was looking around saying, 'What's this?' Kevin (Garnett) and I had to pick them up every day in practice."

That's Ripping into the ENTIRE team.

He tore Deron a new ****.

What he said about Joe has always been well known. He's a quiet, reserved guy, not a leader. He said he's an affable professional meaning: friendly, good-natured, or easy to talk to.

I don't know how that's tearing into the guy. Just stating something we always knew. He didn't say he didn't want to perform at a high level which he did say about Deron.

Deron sucks. But that doesn't mean that Joe doesn't suck too. Joe's still the highest paid Nets player. He's just as much to blame as Deron is. There's plenty of blame to go around for everyone.

Without a doubt Joe has sucked this year. Paul was speaking to his time with the Nets last year. Joe didn't suck last year. He made the All Star Game, was head and shoulders our best player in the playoffs.

He was calling out Joe's leadership, not his level of play. He was calling out Deron's level of play.

[Born_Ready]

I'm probably the biggest Joe Johnson apologist around. The finger pointing at Joe is warranted this season, however, collectively, this is a very bad basketball team. Everyone from management down to the roster deserves criticism.

Fatigue set in for Joe long ago. He has been the only consistent player for 2 years now. I know he make millions upon millions, but he can't do it alone. Brooke finally showed flashes she can play in the NBA. Deron in my opinion deserves most of the heat. It was supposedly his team before the arrival of Joe Johnson. Until the roster has a clean slate, seasons like 2014-2015 are plausible in my honest opinion.

[Prokorov]

I find it weird that Pierce thought that last year was such a horrible experience. We dealt with injuries and a rookie head coach to start. From January 1st on - we were a VERY good team. We made it to the 2nd round. We would've went further without a doubt if we didn't meet up with Miami. Pierce came into the season out of shape - dealt with injuries. KG was pretty f'n bad to start and clearly couldn't handle PF duties. Deron having 2 bad ankles probably had more to do with his poor season than the "NY pressure" did.

It's funny that he's coming out with this stuff while playing for an awful team, awful system that's going nowhere in the playoffs unless they matchup with the worst team in the 1st round. It's not like he's playing for the Ubuntu Celtics right now. Last year was really worse?

I'm not saying he's wrong about Deron or Joe. It's just funny cause Pierce was awful to start the year. Awful when he was battling injuries. I guess he expected Brook, Deron, Joe to carry him?

You are seriously trying to refute Pierce?

KG and Pierce came in here thinking that Deron, Joe, and Lopez would lead the squad and they would be roleplayers

You are an ENABLER.

exactly. of course pierce thought that dwill/joe/brook would carry the team. they were 3 max players in their primes. And pierce wasnt awful, he just struggled when he was injured. As far as KG, you cant really knock him for struggling when he was asked to play a position he isnt suited for. once kidd moved him to C we were outstanding not long after.

and im not sure how you can knock the wizards... calling them an "awful team". they beat the bulls and were better last year. they are MUCH better the us this year. and they have guys who play a TON harder then we do.

of course it is a better situation.

[Dirk]

Do you guys believe that Deron/NY media pressure stuff? As far as I can tell, the Nets get nowhere near the amount of scrutiny that the Knicks do. Correct me if I'm wrong.

His issues seem to be related to injuries and simply getting the fat contract and not putting him the work or having the edge he had before to be the best he can be.

[Prokorov]

"It was just the guys' attitudes there. It wasn't like we were surrounded by a bunch of young guys. They were vets who didn't want to play and didn't want to practice. I was looking around saying, 'What's this?' Kevin (Garnett) and I had to pick them up every day in practice."

That's Ripping into the ENTIRE team.

He tore Deron a new ****.

What he said about Joe has always been well known. He's a quiet, reserved guy, not a leader. He said he's an affable professional meaning: friendly, good-natured, or easy to talk to.

I don't know how that's tearing into the guy. Just stating something we always knew. He didn't say he didn't want to perform at a high level which he did say about Deron.

Deron sucks. But that doesn't mean that Joe doesn't suck too. Joe's still the highest paid Nets player. He's just as much to blame as Deron is. There's plenty of blame to go around for everyone.

The Blame order goes like this:

Deron
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.Joe
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brook

Deron has been god awful. hasnt had 1 good season as a net. closest he came w as a great second half in 2012 but followed that with a bad playoff performance against the bulls. He has been injured/terrible the entire time and sucked in both playoffs.

Joe has been up and down, but he kind of at least carried us and won a playoff series for us. Joe is also the kind of guy where when he isnt playing bad he doesnt add anything but also doesnt take anything off the table and kill you. when deron is bad, he kills you.

Brook with the 2 season ending injuries cant blame him much for, but he has been insanely inconsistent. of the 3 he has been the most productive, but at the same time you need to really kill him for not being consistently excellent consiering the only thing holding him back is aggression/effort/toughness. its not like mechanical stuff.

All 3 deserve a ton of blame. but by far dwill the most

[Prokorov]

Do you guys believe that Deron/NY media pressure stuff? As far as I can tell, the Nets get nowhere near the amount of scrutiny that the Knicks do. Correct me if I'm wrong.

His issues seem to be related to injuries and simply getting the fat contract and not putting him the work or having the edge he had before to be the best he can be.

yes and no.

Dwill has been given a huge pass and you are correct that the NY media doesnt really care about the nets. on the flip side, its still alot more then he saw in utah.

as far as his issues, to me they all come down to him being a complete dawg, consistently coming into camp fat and consistently mailing in efforts

[lkitt0804]

Do you guys believe that Deron/NY media pressure stuff? As far as I can tell, the Nets get nowhere near the amount of scrutiny that the Knicks do. Correct me if I'm wrong.

His issues seem to be related to injuries and simply getting the fat contract and not putting him the work or having the edge he had before to be the best he can be.

yes and no.

Dwill has been given a huge pass and you are correct that the NY media doesnt really care about the nets. on the flip side, its still alot more then he saw in utah.

as far as his issues, to me they all come down to him being a complete dawg, consistently coming into camp fat and consistently mailing in efforts

The first two years in Brooklyn he's come into camp injured. I think this is the first season he's been to camp healthy. But there are no excuses for him being this bad this year. I have no idea where the drive went. The hunger is gone. I lost hope for him and Joe after the Charlotte game where they came out and said this was the biggest game of the year and came out lackadaisical.

[Paradise]

I'm probably the biggest Joe Johnson apologist around. The finger pointing at Joe is warranted this season, however, collectively, this is a very bad basketball team. Everyone from management down to the roster deserves criticism.

Fatigue set in for Joe long ago. He has been the only consistent player for 2 years now. I know he make millions upon millions, but he can't do it alone. Brooke finally showed flashes she can play in the NBA. Deron in my opinion deserves most of the heat. It was supposedly his team before the arrival of Joe Johnson. Until the roster has a clean slate, seasons like 2014-2015 are plausible in my honest opinion.

What fatigue? He's been doing nothing all season. Even after an extended all star break, he reverted back to being terrible. If he can't play basketball in March and April without being tired then he needs to retire.

I don't honestly get how you can completely disrespect Lopez and give a blatant excuse for the guy who barely puts up above average stats on his best day. Without Lopez this season, we are no worse than the Knicks or Sixers.

[MrDollarBills]

Not disputing the validity of Pierce's remarks, but it's ironic, considering the Wizards have looked god awful for prolonged stretches this season... when you often asked yourself, where's the veteran leadership of that team.

Wizards have more wins than the Nets did last year and were not scrambling to get themselves over .500 all year long like the Nets did last year.

[MrDollarBills]

Do you guys believe that Deron/NY media pressure stuff? As far as I can tell, the Nets get nowhere near the amount of scrutiny that the Knicks do. Correct me if I'm wrong.

His issues seem to be related to injuries and simply getting the fat contract and not putting him the work or having the edge he had before to be the best he can be.

yes and no.

Dwill has been given a huge pass and you are correct that the NY media doesnt really care about the nets. on the flip side, its still alot more then he saw in utah.

as far as his issues, to me they all come down to him being a complete dawg, consistently coming into camp fat and consistently mailing in efforts

The first two years in Brooklyn he's come into camp injured. I think this is the first season he's been to camp healthy. But there are no excuses for him being this bad this year. I have no idea where the drive went. The hunger is gone. I lost hope for him and Joe after the Charlotte game where they came out and said this was the biggest game of the year and came out lackadaisical.

The ship has sailed on the injury excuses. He was statistically better during those two years he was injured. Now he's healthy and he's been god awful for 89% of the year.

Deron The Dog Williams is a coward and a thief. Paul Pierce's statements are the exact reason why Hollins glued this bum to the bench in favor of Jarrett Jack. Jack plays basketball like a jack ass but at least you know he's got guts. Williams has folded in damn near every big game we've had. Any must win game, he is always deferring or non existent.

The Chicago series...got his lunch eaten by NATE ROBINSON A CAREER JOURNEYMAN WHO ISN'T EVEN SIX FEET.

The Raptors series: Didn't notice him, he was too busy getting his balls fed to him on a plate by Kyle Lowry

The Heat series: LOL...Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole humiliated him. Scored zero points in a playoff game

Every must win game this year that could have put us in a position to be in the playoffs regardless of what happened the last two games? He played like ****.

How many times this year have we seen him run from the goddamn ball?

lol...at this point, all you can do is laugh at the way this dude stole Mikhail's money. Shamelessly.

[MGrand15]

You are seriously trying to refute Pierce?

KG and Pierce came in here thinking that Deron, Joe, and Lopez would lead the squad and they would be roleplayers

You are an ENABLER.

Read anything I wrote before responding please.

I did. In true homer fashion, you want to shoot the messenger, and making excuses for Deron. I don't give a **** about his ankles. His ankles have been fixed and guess what? HE STILL **** ING SUCKS.

We traded for Deron in 2011. Since then, he's had one great half of a season. The one half has been surrounded by poor shooting, no explosion, nothing special. He hasn't been able to get to the FT line or finish at the rim. He grew reliant on 3s. The 2nd half of that one awesome season wasn't about Deron being tough or being a man - it was his 3s going in at a blistering rate. I'm the homer for just thinking that Deron fell off? That he is what he is? That he can't play through any type of injury and even at 100% - he's just a guy that can run the offense really well but not take you to the next level?

It's fine to hate him. But expecting MVP play or even All Star level play from a guy who hasn't been on that level since 2010 is delusional. Contracts mean nothing. Just watch the dude play. He doesn't have it like that.

[MGrand15]

I find it weird that Pierce thought that last year was such a horrible experience. We dealt with injuries and a rookie head coach to start. From January 1st on - we were a VERY good team. We made it to the 2nd round. We would've went further without a doubt if we didn't meet up with Miami. Pierce came into the season out of shape - dealt with injuries. KG was pretty f'n bad to start and clearly couldn't handle PF duties. Deron having 2 bad ankles probably had more to do with his poor season than the "NY pressure" did.

It's funny that he's coming out with this stuff while playing for an awful team, awful system that's going nowhere in the playoffs unless they matchup with the worst team in the 1st round. It's not like he's playing for the Ubuntu Celtics right now. Last year was really worse?

I'm not saying he's wrong about Deron or Joe. It's just funny cause Pierce was awful to start the year. Awful when he was battling injuries. I guess he expected Brook, Deron, Joe to carry him?

You are seriously trying to refute Pierce?

KG and Pierce came in here thinking that Deron, Joe, and Lopez would lead the squad and they would be roleplayers

You are an ENABLER.

exactly. of course pierce thought that dwill/joe/brook would carry the team. they were 3 max players in their primes. And pierce wasnt awful, he just struggled when he was injured. As far as KG, you cant really knock him for struggling when he was asked to play a position he isnt suited for. once kidd moved him to C we were outstanding not long after.

and im not sure how you can knock the wizards... calling them an "awful team". they beat the bulls and were better last year. they are MUCH better the us this year. and they have guys who play a TON harder then we do.

of course it is a better situation.

Have you followed the Wizards at all this year? By this time last year, our team was 3 levels above this current Wizard team. AT LEAST.

[MrDollarBills]

Do you guys believe that Deron/NY media pressure stuff? As far as I can tell, the Nets get nowhere near the amount of scrutiny that the Knicks do. Correct me if I'm wrong.

His issues seem to be related to injuries and simply getting the fat contract and not putting him the work or having the edge he had before to be the best he can be.

If Deron was a member of the Knicks someone might have attempted to assault him if they saw him in public, the newspapers would have been murdering him, and sports radio would have their phone lines lit up after every game with callers waiting to call him a piece of ****. But no one in in this market cares about the Nets(seriously, they get less coverage than the Knicks who have been at the bottom of the league all year long) so the so called media pressure Pierce referred to is a bit overblown.

Carmelo Anthony is the one who is under intense media pressure. The Knick fanbase kicks Carmelo's back in constantly. It amazes me how badly he gets ripped to shreds in this market. You have people on sports radio killing him for everything that he does. Deron has ZERO media pressure on him. He is just a flat out DOG.

[MrDollarBills]

You are seriously trying to refute Pierce?

KG and Pierce came in here thinking that Deron, Joe, and Lopez would lead the squad and they would be roleplayers

You are an ENABLER.

exactly. of course pierce thought that dwill/joe/brook would carry the team. they were 3 max players in their primes. And pierce wasnt awful, he just struggled when he was injured. As far as KG, you cant really knock him for struggling when he was asked to play a position he isnt suited for. once kidd moved him to C we were outstanding not long after.

and im not sure how you can knock the wizards... calling them an "awful team". they beat the bulls and were better last year. they are MUCH better the us this year. and they have guys who play a TON harder then we do.

of course it is a better situation.

Have you followed the Wizards at all this year? By this time last year, our team was 3 levels above this current Wizard team. AT LEAST.

The same Nets team that took nights off on the regular? Saying that we were three levels above a team that swept the season series against us last year is a bit of a stretch!

[MrDollarBills]

I'm probably the biggest Joe Johnson apologist around. The finger pointing at Joe is warranted this season, however, collectively, this is a very bad basketball team. Everyone from management down to the roster deserves criticism.

Fatigue set in for Joe long ago. He has been the only consistent player for 2 years now. I know he make millions upon millions, but he can't do it alone. Brooke finally showed flashes she can play in the NBA. Deron in my opinion deserves most of the heat. It was supposedly his team before the arrival of Joe Johnson. Until the roster has a clean slate, seasons like 2014-2015 are plausible in my honest opinion.

What fatigue? He's been doing nothing all season. Even after an extended all star break, he reverted back to being terrible. If he can't play basketball in March and April without being tired then he needs to retire.

I don't honestly get how you can completely disrespect Lopez and give a blatant excuse for the guy who barely puts up above average stats on his best day. Without Lopez this season, we are no worse than the Knicks or Sixers.

Yeah. the fatigue stuff has also sailed. For the better part of the season Johnson has gone out there and dogged it, exerting zero effort in most of these games. How many single digit performances has he had this year?

[Wonderllama]

No draft pick for years and D-Will as a gigantic cancerous financial albatross... I don't care how many wins there are. There can't be a worse team with a more dire future than the Brooklyn Nets. sigh