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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2441 » by moocow007 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:11 pm

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KnicksDynasty wrote:Ok if we dont get Rondo then who? Dragic brothers?


The Heat is in a weird place. They basically have to offer Dragic a lot of money and I would imagine they will. At which point, it would require Dragic to really want NY. Miami was on Dragic's list of preferred places/teams (along with the Knicks) so that will hurt the Knicks chances. The other Dragic? I would imagine the same reason that he was traded with his brother is the same reason that he's not likely to be traded by the Heat if Goran resigns. Well not unless the Knicks overpay to trade for the lesser Dragic.

So...not likely on either would be my guess.

Anyone think we can pry Cousins off of Sac?


It would likely require the Knicks to minimally end up with the 1st or 2nd overall pick to do so. And probably would still need Cousins raise a stink and help force the Kings to trade him. Likely will cost the 1st overall AND Cousins to punch George Karl in the balls AND Cousins to say that he'd be a pest unless traded to NY if the Knicks also want the Kings to take Calderon.

So that's also probably unlikely.

As folks have said, realistic (FA signings) would be guys like Paul Milsap (would likely have to overpay a bit), Danny Green (since the Spurs are going to have to max out Kawhi Leonard), Tobias Harris (he really, really, REALLY and GENUINELY wants to play for the Knicks and you may actually be able to get him to sign for a little less than what he could get elsewhere), Kris Middleton (would probably have to scare the Bucks away with a larger than desired contract), Greg Monroe (the Pistons don't want him so it's a even playing field and his offensive skills are Triangle enabled), Reggie Jackson, etc.

Realistic trades if the Knicks were to look to trade their pick? That's a whole other discussion that probably 99.44% of this board doesn't want to go to cause they don't want Jackson to trade the pick. It would be worth a discussion IMO, but you'll just get a lot of static.

cousins doesnt need to punch george karl. G.Karl doesnt want D.Cousins anyway. he said boogie is tradeable. boogie is unsettled in Sacremento anyway. also his reputation isnt good so there wont be much teams to give valueable assets for him.
maybe 3 way trade to get g.karl fast paced players would do it.

kings receive: ty lawson-wilson chandler(g.karl wants this kind players to play high tempo)
nuggets receive: knicks top 3 pick+thjr+calderon+2nd round pick. (nuggets are tanking anyway. calderon+thjr would entertain people)
knicks receive: d.cousins (top3 center in the league without losing cap space.)


Believe me...I would love to have that. I would trade the pick, Hardaway, Calderon and the 2nd for Cousins definitely. You make this trade and still have enough for another max player (thanks to shedding Calderon and Hardaway's contracts) and then some or 2 top 2nd tier guys.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2442 » by Meat » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:28 pm

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The Heat is in a weird place. They basically have to offer Dragic a lot of money and I would imagine they will. At which point, it would require Dragic to really want NY. Miami was on Dragic's list of preferred places/teams (along with the Knicks) so that will hurt the Knicks chances. The other Dragic? I would imagine the same reason that he was traded with his brother is the same reason that he's not likely to be traded by the Heat if Goran resigns. Well not unless the Knicks overpay to trade for the lesser Dragic.

So...not likely on either would be my guess.



It would likely require the Knicks to minimally end up with the 1st or 2nd overall pick to do so. And probably would still need Cousins raise a stink and help force the Kings to trade him. Likely will cost the 1st overall AND Cousins to punch George Karl in the balls AND Cousins to say that he'd be a pest unless traded to NY if the Knicks also want the Kings to take Calderon.

So that's also probably unlikely.

As folks have said, realistic (FA signings) would be guys like Paul Milsap (would likely have to overpay a bit), Danny Green (since the Spurs are going to have to max out Kawhi Leonard), Tobias Harris (he really, really, REALLY and GENUINELY wants to play for the Knicks and you may actually be able to get him to sign for a little less than what he could get elsewhere), Kris Middleton (would probably have to scare the Bucks away with a larger than desired contract), Greg Monroe (the Pistons don't want him so it's a even playing field and his offensive skills are Triangle enabled), Reggie Jackson, etc.

Realistic trades if the Knicks were to look to trade their pick? That's a whole other discussion that probably 99.44% of this board doesn't want to go to cause they don't want Jackson to trade the pick. It would be worth a discussion IMO, but you'll just get a lot of static.

cousins doesnt need to punch george karl. G.Karl doesnt want D.Cousins anyway. he said boogie is tradeable. boogie is unsettled in Sacremento anyway. also his reputation isnt good so there wont be much teams to give valueable assets for him.
maybe 3 way trade to get g.karl fast paced players would do it.

kings receive: ty lawson-wilson chandler(g.karl wants this kind players to play high tempo)
nuggets receive: knicks top 3 pick+thjr+calderon+2nd round pick. (nuggets are tanking anyway. calderon+thjr would entertain people)
knicks receive: d.cousins (top3 center in the league without losing cap space.)


Believe me...I would love to have that. I would trade the pick, Hardaway, Calderon and the 2nd for Cousins definitely. You make this trade and still have enough for another max player (thanks to shedding Calderon and Hardaway's contracts) and then some or 2 top 2nd tier guys.


They'd be able to sign free agents first, wouldn't be able to make that trade till august, since they couldnt trade the pick until 30 days past his signing date. same thing that delayed the love trade till almost september.

draft whomever
sign whomever
make the trade
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2443 » by ozwizard8 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:31 pm

Meat wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
ozwizard8 wrote:cousins doesnt need to punch george karl. G.Karl doesnt want D.Cousins anyway. he said boogie is tradeable. boogie is unsettled in Sacremento anyway. also his reputation isnt good so there wont be much teams to give valueable assets for him.
maybe 3 way trade to get g.karl fast paced players would do it.

kings receive: ty lawson-wilson chandler(g.karl wants this kind players to play high tempo)
nuggets receive: knicks top 3 pick+thjr+calderon+2nd round pick. (nuggets are tanking anyway. calderon+thjr would entertain people)
knicks receive: d.cousins (top3 center in the league without losing cap space.)


Believe me...I would love to have that. I would trade the pick, Hardaway, Calderon and the 2nd for Cousins definitely. You make this trade and still have enough for another max player (thanks to shedding Calderon and Hardaway's contracts) and then some or 2 top 2nd tier guys.


They'd be able to sign free agents first, wouldn't be able to make that trade till august, since they couldnt trade the pick until 30 days past his signing date. same thing that delayed the love trade till almost september.

draft whomever
sign whomever
make the trade

what about trade at draft day? cant we send our pick+calderon+thjr for cousins? then they'll draft whomever they want.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2444 » by And100 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:44 pm

ozwizard8 wrote:
Meat wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Believe me...I would love to have that. I would trade the pick, Hardaway, Calderon and the 2nd for Cousins definitely. You make this trade and still have enough for another max player (thanks to shedding Calderon and Hardaway's contracts) and then some or 2 top 2nd tier guys.


They'd be able to sign free agents first, wouldn't be able to make that trade till august, since they couldnt trade the pick until 30 days past his signing date. same thing that delayed the love trade till almost september.

draft whomever
sign whomever
make the trade

what about trade at draft day? cant we send our pick+calderon+thjr for cousins? then they'll draft whomever they want.


Knicks can't trade their pick, since they don't have a 2016 pick.

League rules would require them to select the player the trading team wants and complete the transaction after having used their selection.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2445 » by GONYK » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:19 pm

ozwizard8 wrote:
Meat wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Believe me...I would love to have that. I would trade the pick, Hardaway, Calderon and the 2nd for Cousins definitely. You make this trade and still have enough for another max player (thanks to shedding Calderon and Hardaway's contracts) and then some or 2 top 2nd tier guys.


They'd be able to sign free agents first, wouldn't be able to make that trade till august, since they couldnt trade the pick until 30 days past his signing date. same thing that delayed the love trade till almost september.

draft whomever
sign whomever
make the trade

what about trade at draft day? cant we send our pick+calderon+thjr for cousins? then they'll draft whomever they want.


The Kings would never do that, even if it wasn't disallowed by the league
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2446 » by Sark » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:36 pm

We're not gonna be contenders next year. We're winning about 42 as per Phil. No sense in trading the pick. Even our franchise player doesn't want to trade the pick. No sense including it in any proposals.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2447 » by Ris_44 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:08 am

You don't trade pick for just anyone. But if you're getting a young all star who's dominant at his position, under contract for the next 3 years at 15 mil per, and fits the system you're trying to implement...You do it and don't think twice. The top two players on this draft have potential but they might never be as good as Cousins is now...
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2448 » by M2J » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:09 am

Ris_44 wrote:You don't trade pick for just anyone. But if you're getting a young all star who's dominant at his position, under contract for the next 3 years at 15 mil per, and fits the system you're trying to implement...You do it and don't think twice. The top two players on this draft have potential but they might never be as good as Cousins is now...



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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2449 » by Crunch time 1 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:33 am

Image boggie Melo la monta Galloway smh will never happen lol
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FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2450 » by iLovethosedamnknicks » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:14 am

LJ4pointplay wrote:IF we want to dump Calderon then the move might be to trade him back to the Mavs in three way trade where the Mavs sign & trade Rondo a third team...

I can see the Mavs wanting him back.


Lol. Your on crack if you think the mavs want that bumb back. They dumped him on us and you see how worthless he is. You think they want him back lol


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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2451 » by Nazrmohamed » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:49 am

Crunch time 1 wrote:Image boggie Melo la monta Galloway smh will never happen lol


Your thinking too small. Assuming we're heading the top 3 pick, plus Calderon, plus Hardaway for Cousins....salary matches give or take a mil.

THAT MEANS YOU GOT THE SAME CAP SPACE

Plus it's now no longer Melo, a draft pick and nothing. It's two stars. In other words you should start attracting other players big time. So all those "he wouldn't leave to come to a rebuilding...." conversations go out the window. I would assume all the top talent would consider us much more closely.

You could pitch a guy like Jimmie Butler and say hey, your team is falling apart with injuries, your coach is always on the hot seat. Here you'll get a max deal and be paired with two stars and will contend. Also at least Cousins is 24 so as Melo faces his sunset, you and Cousins would still have a future together long after Melo is gone. And guess what? We might even have enough for another starter after you, like a discounted W.Matthews or Demarr Carrol

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Post#2452 » by Knicksfan1992 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:18 pm

Had a dream last night that Danny Green was not interested in the Knicks and I convinced him to sign for 10 million a year for 4 years. Get er' done Phil.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2453 » by moocow007 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:52 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Had a dream last night that Danny Green was not interested in the Knicks and I convinced him to sign for 10 million a year for 4 years. Get er' done Phil.


Did it go something like this:

Green: "They offered me only $6 million a year dog."
You: "That's some whack BS, you worth more than that."
Green: "I know right?"
You: "Hey, you know what, it's my dream so let me just go and tell Jackson to give you more."
Green: "Aight."

Poof...suddenly you're in Jackson's office...

You: "Phil, what are you crazy? $6 million? You got to offer my boy Danny Green more than that. How about $10 million?"
Jackson: "Who are you and why am I in your dream?"
You: "Uhh..."
Jackson: "Well?!?"
You: "Uhh..."
Jackson: "Look I've got a lot of things to do but, since this is just a dream, if I agree will you please get me out of your dream?"
You: "Uhh..."
Jackson: "Oh boy, ok, ok he has a 4 year $40 million. Happy??! Can I get back to Jeannie now?"
You: "Uhh...ok".

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Post#2454 » by Knicksfan1992 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:14 pm

moocow007 wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Had a dream last night that Danny Green was not interested in the Knicks and I convinced him to sign for 10 million a year for 4 years. Get er' done Phil.


Did it go something like this:

Green: "They offered me only $6 million a year dog."
You: "That's some whack BS, you worth more than that."
Green: "I know right?"
You: "Hey, you know what, it's my dream so let me just go and tell Jackson to give you more."
Green: "Aight."

Poof...suddenly you're in Jackson's office...

You: "Phil, what are you crazy? $6 million? You got to offer my boy Danny Green more than that. How about $10 million?"
Jackson: "Who are you and why am I in your dream?"
You: "Uhh..."
Jackson: "Well?!?"
You: "Uhh..."
Jackson: "Look I've got a lot of things to do but, since this is just a dream, if I agree will you please get me out of your dream?"
You: "Uhh..."
Jackson: "Oh boy, ok, ok he has a 4 year $40 million. Happy??! Can I get back to Jeannie now?"
You: "Uhh...ok".

:D



Haha this was great this made me laugh. It was more along the lines of I happened to know PJax somehow and I ran into Danny Green at the airport and I talked to him and he said "I don't even know why I'm taking this visit man" And I was like "Dude the Knicks are on the up-and-up and Melo takes a lot of flack but, he's a real good dude and wants to be the king of the city and you could be one with him" He started to warm up and then I said plus you're from LI what's better than playing at home for fans that will love you.

So then I dial up Phil and we meet him at Phil's apartment. Phil talks to him and he comes out and he's still not convinced. So I say listen " you can hide in the shadows of Pop and the Spurs and be labeled a system player all your life or you could come here to your hometown make your own legacy as a Scottie Pippen of sorts to Melo and be a god in the greatest city in the world.. Your choice man but, I know what I would choose." He calls up his agent who was Drew Rosenhaus for some reason and Drew said nothing less than 12 million.

So I go, "listen Danny, all that stuff I said about you becoming a king isn't going to happen if you chase every dollar. 10 million is more than reasonable and we can go get Marc Gasol or Lamarcus Aldridge woth the leftover cash and truly make our mark as champions of the city." He was torn but, he said "alright but, only because this is my hometown" So he called Rosenhaus and as he picked up my **** alarm went off.... But, one can only assume that the rest of that story went well although it is the Knicks we're talking about here.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2455 » by malik959 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:04 am

And100 wrote:
ozwizard8 wrote:
Meat wrote:
They'd be able to sign free agents first, wouldn't be able to make that trade till august, since they couldnt trade the pick until 30 days past his signing date. same thing that delayed the love trade till almost september.

draft whomever
sign whomever
make the trade

what about trade at draft day? cant we send our pick+calderon+thjr for cousins? then they'll draft whomever they want.


Knicks can't trade their pick, since they don't have a 2016 pick.

League rules would require them to select the player the trading team wants and complete the transaction after having used their selection.


Can't trade the pick, but you can trade the player that you've picked.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2456 » by And100 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:28 am

malik959 wrote:
And100 wrote:
ozwizard8 wrote:what about trade at draft day? cant we send our pick+calderon+thjr for cousins? then they'll draft whomever they want.


Knicks can't trade their pick, since they don't have a 2016 pick.

League rules would require them to select the player the trading team wants and complete the transaction after having used their selection.


Can't trade the pick, but you can trade the player that you've picked.


Right, exactly what I just said.
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Post#2457 » by siar617 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:22 am

iLovethosedamnknicks wrote:
LJ4pointplay wrote:IF we want to dump Calderon then the move might be to trade him back to the Mavs in three way trade where the Mavs sign & trade Rondo a third team...

I can see the Mavs wanting him back.


Lol. Your on crack if you think the mavs want that bumb back. They dumped him on us and you see how worthless he is. You think they want him back lol


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They took Chandler back so it's not that much of a stretch.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2458 » by nyk97 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:52 pm

how would landry fields slashing ability do in the triangle? something to think about. he's garbage but as a 12th-13th guy for the min. id do it.
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Post#2459 » by HEZI » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:31 pm

nyk97 wrote:how would landry fields slashing ability do in the triangle? something to think about. he's garbage but as a 12th-13th guy for the min. id do it.


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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2460 » by ozwizard8 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:58 pm

SMAC-K wrote:
nyk97 wrote:how would landry fields slashing ability do in the triangle? something to think about. he's garbage but as a 12th-13th guy for the min. id do it.


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