PG: Lowry is garbage

Mikestro · Post #441 » by **Mikestro** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:28 pm

Why's everyone acting like Masai didn't see this coming? Masai was forced to to keep everyone from last year due to their crazy (and over-achieving) season. Masai would have looked like an idiot if he made wholesale changes to our squad after they put up a franchise-best record. Furthermore, he hasn't given out any crazy long-term contracts (except for Lowry, which is now actually a VERY reasonable deal considering the salary cap is going to increase to 100+ mill).

Yes, I'm very pissed about our performance this post-season BUT this may actually be a blessing in disguise. Masai is now justified to make significant changes to our roster and we have a ton of cap room to play with. So as a Raps fan, it's not the end of the world (far from it).

GED Education · Post #442 » by **GED Education** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:34 pm

Mikestro wrote:Why's everyone acting like Masai didn't see this coming? Masai was forced to to keep everyone from last year due to their crazy (and over-achieving) season. Masai would have looked like an idiot if he made wholesale changes to our squad after they put up a franchise-best record. Furthermore, he hasn't given out any crazy long-term contracts (except for Lowry, which is now actually a VERY reasonable deal considering the salary cap is going to increase to 100+ mill).

Yes, I'm very pissed about our performance this post-season BUT this may actually be a blessing in disguise. Masai is now justified to make significant changes to our roster and we have a ton of cap room to play with. So as a Raps fan, it's not the end of the world (far from it).

True. As others have mentioned, his hands were tied. He looks like an idiot if he doesn't bring Casey back. Looks bad on him and the organization. The Team looks and if they can't retain their own free agents in Lowry - the man's stock was at an all time high.

Masai didn't tinker and now he can really earn his pay.

My only fault was the lack of development of the youth and the stunted growth of JV. Ross had chances and he blew it..that's on Ross, not Casey or Masai.

wolfv · Post #443 » by **wolfv** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:56 pm

Can't believe the playoffs started this time last week. And tomorrow it's all going to end

Slim_Charles · Post #444 » by **Slim_Charles** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:58 pm

I feel Lowry is critical to the Raptors' success. I think it's COACHING that needs to better UTILIZE the players to their strengths.

People who are saying that Westbrook and Wall destroy smaller PGs... look at Tony Parker against Westbrook. The Spurs have won a series against them.

As for DD - he needs to go. Same with Ross. But Lowry needs to stay because he is solid PG that is just struggling at the wrong time.

Left Side Drive · Post #445 » by **Left Side Drive** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:00 pm

wolfv wrote:Can't believe the playoffs started this time last week. And tomorrow it's all going to end

Still feels like it has gone on too long

Hit Em Up · Post #446 » by **Hit Em Up** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:03 pm

Lowry had 2 good months to start the season and has been trash the rest of the year.. biggest fake allstar starter ever

Matty · Post #447 » by **Matty** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:55 pm

At least we have Bruno to look forward to...

:lol:

Randle McMurphy · Post #448 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:06 pm

This team unsurprisingly was absolutely nothing without Lowry playing at a high level. I'd be down for a complete rebuild at this point (which Masai tried to do before Lowry started playing incredibly well a year and a half ago). At the very least, though, Casey and DeRozan have to be removed. Neither are conducive to any kind of winning basketball.

Randle McMurphy · Post #449 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:10 pm

IlMagonellaMela wrote:The sixth man of the year= 3/11

The all star = 5/22

The scorer with the large mouth =11/29

Total = 19/62 !!!

Damn, it's almost like basing your offense around ISO chucking isn't a good idea in the playoffs when teams actually guard. :lol:

gillianchung · Post #450 » by **gillianchung** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:29 pm

seanbig wrote:This season has been getting that hot girl you've always wanted and now realizing she's being cheating all along

No, this season has been getting that hot girl you've always wanted and now realizing she's actually a man.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #451 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:50 pm

Jim Lahey wrote:I feel Lowry is critical to the Raptors' success. I think it's COACHING that needs to better UTILIZE the players to their strengths.

People who are saying that Westbrook and Wall destroy smaller PGs... look at Tony Parker against Westbrook. The Spurs have won a series against them.

As for DD - he needs to go. Same with Ross. But Lowry needs to stay because he is solid PG that is just struggling at the wrong time.

Couldn't disagree more. If you make me choose between Demar and KL I move KL's deal. He's older, more expensive and we don't know he'll mesh with any new coach. Originally Casey had the shackles on him forcing him into a Calderon game. He went along in protest and bided his time. Then Casey took the shakles off and he thrived until... everyone else started to become candidates for the 3 point love fest. So he is answerable for poor shot selection and also for allowing others to shoot without accountability. As for Ross I'd force another summer league on him and be looking for him to show aggressively that he can dominate. Just because up until this point we have blown the Ross-JV development doesn't mean we should outright panic. I do agree Lowry is a solid point guard but he would be the better trade chip.

JumpingJiri · Post #452 » by **JumpingJiri** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:51 pm

T. dot on that treadmill boy!

JWiLL02 · Post #453 » by **JWiLL02** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:05 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:I feel Lowry is critical to the Raptors' success. I think it's COACHING that needs to better UTILIZE the players to their strengths.

People who are saying that Westbrook and Wall destroy smaller PGs... look at Tony Parker against Westbrook. The Spurs have won a series against them.

As for DD - he needs to go. Same with Ross. But Lowry needs to stay because he is solid PG that is just struggling at the wrong time.

Couldn't disagree more. If you make me choose between Demar and KL I move KL's deal. He's older, more expensive and we don't know he'll mesh with any new coach. Originally Casey had the shackles on him forcing him into a Calderon game. He went along in protest and bided his time. Then Casey took the shakles off and he thrived until... everyone else started to become candidates for the 3 point love fest. So he is answerable for poor shot selection and also for allowing others to shoot without accountability. As for Ross I'd force another summer league on him and be looking for him to show aggressively that he can dominate. Just because up until this point we have blown the Ross-JV development doesn't mean we should outright panic. I do agree Lowry is a solid point guard but he would be the better trade chip.

I have to agree here. I like Lowry...but the PG position is a hell of a lot deeper than SG/SF in today's league. DeMar is easier to predict when roster/coaching changes happen and I like him better as a 2nd option than Lowry.

We have JV and Ross on cheap deals for another year, I wouldn't look to do anything there unless the right offer comes along.

ThemCrookedRefs · Post #454 » by **ThemCrookedRefs** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:37 pm

DUNPHY wrote:I would love to know what Masai is actually thinking right now

RaptorsCity12 · Post #455 » by **RaptorsCity12** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:03 pm

Personally, I would give Most of this team another chance. The only people I would either trade, let walk, and fire would be Ross, Casey (IS A MUST), and Vasquez. Lowry could've been injured. I mean that shouldn't be an excuse BUT it does affect how you play. It's the first year of his contract, I would give him another chance along with most of our guys except the ones I mentioned.

ozwizard8 · Post #456 » by **ozwizard8** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:29 pm

Jim Lahey wrote:I feel Lowry is critical to the Raptors' success. I think it's COACHING that needs to better UTILIZE the players to their strengths.

People who are saying that Westbrook and Wall destroy smaller PGs... look at Tony Parker against Westbrook. The Spurs have won a series against them.

As for DD - he needs to go. Same with Ross. But Lowry needs to stay because he is solid PG that is just struggling at the wrong time.

spurs lost at 2012 WCF against thunder. westbrooks atleticism bringed series to OKC.
they find answers for this but they're Spurs.
cp3 shoots %60 fg, blake griffin makes triple double with %50fg and DJ got 5+blocks 20+rebounds but SPURS won at L.A.

lowry agains wall is tough matchup. casey didnt do good job but derozan and co sucked too.
derozan couldnt past otto porter.

better game plan better coach would help raptors but main issue is derozan. he suppose to be star player. he is afwul at important plays. t.ross got lost with him.
also patterson,handsbrough,amir johnson doesnt offer reliable offense.

artsncrafts · Post #457 » by **artsncrafts** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:41 pm

ozwizard8 wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:I feel Lowry is critical to the Raptors' success. I think it's COACHING that needs to better UTILIZE the players to their strengths.

People who are saying that Westbrook and Wall destroy smaller PGs... look at Tony Parker against Westbrook. The Spurs have won a series against them.

As for DD - he needs to go. Same with Ross. But Lowry needs to stay because he is solid PG that is just struggling at the wrong time.

spurs lost at 2012 WCF against thunder. westbrooks atleticism bringed series to OKC.
they find answers for this but they're Spurs.
cp3 shoots %60 fg, blake griffin makes triple double with %50fg and DJ got 5+blocks 20+rebounds but SPURS won at L.A.

lowry agains wall is tough matchup. casey didnt do good job but derozan and co sucked too.
derozan couldnt past otto porter.

better game plan better coach would help raptors but main issue is derozan. he suppose to be star player. he is afwul at important plays. t.ross got lost with him.
also patterson,handsbrough,amir johnson doesnt offer reliable offense.

Lowry couldnt guard GV and GV couldn't guard Lowry, they have to both be in the bottom 5 worst defenders at the PG

CaptainKoolAid · Post #458 » by **CaptainKoolAid** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:49 pm

**** LOWRY YOU **** PHONY TRADE THAT FAT LARD

wtcantfw · Post #459 » by **wtcantfw** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:00 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:I feel Lowry is critical to the Raptors' success. I think it's COACHING that needs to better UTILIZE the players to their strengths.

People who are saying that Westbrook and Wall destroy smaller PGs... look at Tony Parker against Westbrook. The Spurs have won a series against them.

As for DD - he needs to go. Same with Ross. But Lowry needs to stay because he is solid PG that is just struggling at the wrong time.

Couldn't disagree more. If you make me choose between Demar and KL I move KL's deal. He's older, more expensive and we don't know he'll mesh with any new coach. Originally Casey had the shackles on him forcing him into a Calderon game. He went along in protest and bided his time. Then Casey took the shakles off and he thrived until... everyone else started to become candidates for the 3 point love fest. So he is answerable for poor shot selection and also for allowing others to shoot without accountability. As for Ross I'd force another summer league on him and be looking for him to show aggressively that he can dominate. Just because up until this point we have blown the Ross-JV development doesn't mean we should outright panic. I do agree Lowry is a solid point guard but he would be the better trade chip.

Honestly, I'd be okay moving both of them as long as the return is good. But that's all dependent on Casey being let go as well. If I had to choose ONE major change, it would be Casey.

Damas · Post #460 » by **Damas** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:58 pm

CaptainKoolAid wrote:**** LOWRY YOU **** PHONY TRADE THAT FAT LARD