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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1641 » by Pitbull » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:46 am

SF88 wrote:Guess who the school choose to grant an interview? My brother's friend. My brother was rejected. My brother called the school to get s better idea and was told by a staff member on the board of admissions that the school is looking for more diversity and that's the reason they turned my brother down.

So don't tell me that the law and rules are set up against them or something. If your willing to work hard instead of being a drug addict and having a record before even starting college, then you can be successful regardless of your skin color.


Wah... Cry me a river.

So what if a person with a credentials that are strong (granted, not as strong as your brother's) gets the opportunity? The black guy wins this time. Let's all whine that life isn't fair.

Wonder whether he wins in life when he's stopped by a cop for being black. Wonder whether he wins in life when he is followed around in a store by a suspicious clerk for no reason. Wonder whether he wins when white people cross to walk on the other side of the street at night if no one else is around... because, y'know, it's obvious he'll mug them. Wonder whether he wins when in life when as a child in school he is punished more severely than his white counterparts for committing the same infractions. Wonder whether he has to worry about a segment of the police force whose instinct isn't to serve and protect, but break a n***a's neck. This is a daily reality.

No one is saying that your brother didn't get the short end of the stick with regard to affirmative action. But sweet Lord, it's so small in the grand scheme of things. Take a loss, move on... He'll be ok. Life can be worse. Maybe he'd rather be black.

And you act as if a white person can do it, a black person can do it. That's absolutely true. However, to discount or flippantly dismiss the impact of institutional racism and the erosion of possibility for a child on a DAILY basis is incredibly short-sighted and reductionist. Fostering a sense of resiliency is tough nut to crack. You can't blame a child whose spirit has been worn down and, in many cases, doesn't have access to alternatives or a decent home. It's more than just being "willing to work hard" when you've lost hope.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1642 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:22 pm

I think affirmative action is a slap in the face to the African American community.

Instead of changing the system that systematically funnels AAs into the prison system, and thereafter systematically denying them the opportunity of education, jobs, access to credit, and the right to vote, we throw them a bone - if you're lucky enough to escape the prison walls we've built around you and your communities, MAYBE we'll give you a chance. It's disgusting and pitiful.

I don't think we should get rid of affirmative action until we've addressed all the other ways we systematically deny opportunities to the African American community. But boy is it not enough.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1643 » by dckingsfan » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:35 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:I don't support the riots but I understand them. It's not like they are based on nothing. The institutionalized racism in the system is real and has a real impact on the people allegedly rioting. They're a sign that something is really wrong with the system and needs to be fixed.

I can't agree with the riots - having watch the after affect. The kids riot and the adults suffer. Watts - housing prices plummeted. Here, no CVS - the elderly were dependent on that store. And then major retailers leave the area.

But I agree - there is something wrong in America - has been that way since slavery in the 1600s.

I think we still have 2, 3 or 4 more generations until it gets fixed.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1644 » by dckingsfan » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:41 pm

SF88 wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:I don't support the riots but I understand them. It's not like they are based on nothing. The institutionalized racism in the system is real and has a real impact on the people allegedly rioting. They're a sign that something is really wrong with the system and needs to be fixed.

People keep saying this but isn't that what affirmative action is for?

Minorities, especially African Americans and Latinos, already get priority and preference in many things over whites and other races.

For example, my brother (not black) and his black friend recently applied to the same medical school. My brother has a 3.8 gpa along with various published research and many extra curricular activities including a pretty high mcat score. His friend has a 3.3 GPA, no where close to as many extra curricular activities and a slightly lower mcat score.

Guess who the school choose to grant an interview? My brother's friend. My brother was rejected. My brother called the school to get s better idea and was told by a staff member on the board of admissions that the school is looking for more diversity and that's the reason they turned my brother down.

So don't tell me that the law and rules are set up against them or something. If your willing to work hard instead of being a drug addict and having a record before even starting college, then you can be successful regardless of your skin color.


To that I would say - apply to more that one school (many actually). 4 year colleges have slots for folks in the orchestra, football players, etc. and some schools have slots for Blacks and Hispanics.

Sometimes you get in, sometimes not - it is a lottery.

Who you should be angry with is the colleges - they have not added openings for students to keep up with the increase in population. They have grown their endowments and not spent them. They foster this kind of competition to charge higher and higher tuitions. You should also be angry with the government for allowing them to be non-profits without having to increase the size of their colleges and not having to spend their endowments.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1645 » by DCZards » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:01 pm

As usual guys, great and diverse discussion about what’s going on in Baltimore and the societal conditions and police community relations that helped lead to it. Given the terrible social, educational and economic conditions of many of its residents, Baltimore was ripe for this type of explosion. So I don’t think anyone should be surprised by it

But I absolutely HATE and condemn in the strongest terms possible the rioting and violence that is being seen by some as a justifiable responsible to the Freddie Gray tragedy.

Like miller, I’ve read far too many Facebook posts where smart people seem to be condoning the rioting in Baltimore. Fortunately, there have been just as many posts with people expressing outrage over the rioting, and refusing to justify it as an expression of support for Freddie Gray and his family.

DeWayne Wickham, a columnist for USA Today, a resident and native of B’More, and a close friend, has used his Facebook page to intelligently report on and condemn the way his beloved city is being destroyed by the hooligans who are taking advantage of the Gray tragedy. I've been extremely impressed by what DeWayne has been writing.

The problems in Baltimore, and many other urban centers are deep, and won’t be easily addressed in the aftermath of the madness that’s taking place there now. It starts with health and education, and includes training for adults, jobs, spiritual renewal—and better police/community relations and communications.

As others have already wisely pointed out, the loss of industrial jobs the past 3-4 decades has devastated cities like B’More, and the employment opportunities available to their residents, particularly undereducated black men. This has really accentuated the sense of hopelessness we see in many blue-collar urban centers. I've seen how it has negatively impacted the lives of some of my friends and peers.

As a youth, I regularly visited B’more where my great uncle C.C. Jackson was the first black superintendent of the city’s dept of recreation. (There’s a rec center in B’more named after him.) And I continue to communicate with several college classmates who were raised in Baltimore and live there today. So I have no doubt that there are plenty of smart, law-abiding folks in the city, including elected and community leaders, who hopefully will find a way to come together in the aftermath of this madness and REALLY address the conditions and mindset that has led to this sad, sad situation.

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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1646 » by popper » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:34 pm

IMO the real tragedy of the recent Baltimore riots and protests is that nothing is going to change. Children will continue to be born out of wedlock and raised by single mothers. Schools will continue to perform at substandard levels (not entirely their fault but it’s a given based on current policies). Drug and alcohol abuse will continue at their current levels and businesses will avoid making investments due to risk and cost considerations. And amidst all the depravity and suffering, voters will continue to elect leaders that are sure to perpetuate the downward spiral.

I wonder whether some Baltimore politician could win an election running on the following platform?

1. A public effort to drastically reduce babies out of wedlock ,
2. An annual $17,000 check for each student to be used on the school of their choice (public, private or religious (I think this is the current expenditure per student).
3. Promote drug and alcohol abstinence to improve health, happiness and quality of life.
4. Slash business taxes and red tape.
5. Indemnify businesses against looting and fire damage.
6. Offer remedial education and business certifications for older students and adults that have already been screwed and abandoned by the system (or screwed themselves).
7. Beef up the police Internal Affairs dept. to investigate and publicly report on incidents of racially biased policing.
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Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1647 » by Induveca » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:14 pm

crackhed wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
crackhed wrote:agree, and would like to add that besides canada, just about every nation i can think of in the northern hemisphere has a problem with racism.. some even more serious than what we have here in the US. eastern europe, russia and many arab nations come to mind.


I chuckle...

I went to college briefly in Michigan. One weekend a couple of my buddies wanted to take a drive to Detroit and check out Windsor, Ontario.

My welcome to Canada was a guy who yelled, "Turn yer lights on, ****!".

It was kind of surreal. :)

That same freshman year a Canadian dorm advisor asked me if I wanted a "kick in the tail".

I don't know about racism in Canada but I'm guessing that it is present big time.

i stand corrected. haven't been there myself but the impression i get from friends who have is it is a very tolerant diverse society


Canada is extremely racist, especially Montreal.....wow.
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Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1648 » by Induveca » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:19 pm

popper wrote:IMO the real tragedy of the recent Baltimore riots and protests is that nothing is going to change. Children will continue to be born out of wedlock and raised by single mothers. Schools will continue to perform at substandard levels (not entirely their fault but it’s a given based on current policies). Drug and alcohol abuse will continue at their current levels and businesses will avoid making investments due to risk and cost considerations. And amidst all the depravity and suffering, voters will continue to elect leaders that are sure to perpetuate the downward spiral.

I wonder whether some Baltimore politician could win an election running on the following platform?

1. A public effort to drastically reduce babies out of wedlock ,
2. An annual $17,000 check for each student to be used on the school of their choice (public, private or religious (I think this is the current expenditure per student).
3. Promote drug and alcohol abstinence to improve health, happiness and quality of life.
4. Slash business taxes and red tape.
5. Indemnify businesses against looting and fire damage.
6. Offer remedial education and business certifications for older students and adults that have already been screwed and abandoned by the system (or screwed themselves).
7. Beef up the police Internal Affairs dept. to investigate and publicly report on incidents of racially biased policing.


Without jobs and a 1990s work ethic that will do nothing.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1649 » by DCZards » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:54 am

Hey Popper,

Thanks for putting some concrete ideas out there. I'd like to respond by amending/revising/adding to some of them.

1. A public effort to drastically reduce babies out of wedlock , and for those babies who are born out of wedlock let's make sure there is good prenatal care for their mothers and access to early childhood education programs.

2. An annual $17,000 check for each student to be used on the school of their choice (public, private or religious (I think this is the current expenditure per student). And since most students will continue to be educated in public schools let's provide wraparound services that address their social and mental needs, and ensure that their teachers are paid at the level that the profession deserves and that educators have access to quality professional development.

3. Promote drug and alcohol abstinence to improve health, happiness and quality of life.

4. Slash business taxes and red tape...for those businesses that train and hire difficult-to-employ local residents, including ex-offenders seeking a second chance.

5. Indemnify businesses against looting and fire damage.

6. Offer remedial education and business certifications for older students and adults that have already been screwed and abandoned by the system (or screwed themselves).

7. Beef up the police Internal Affairs dept. to investigate and publicly report on incidents of racially biased policing...and support the use of body cameras and training in culturally-relevant community policing.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1650 » by dckingsfan » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:07 am

DCZards wrote:Hey Popper,

Thanks for putting some concrete ideas out there. I'd like to respond by amending/revising/adding to some of them.

1. A public effort to drastically reduce babies out of wedlock , and for those babies who are born out of wedlock let's make sure there is good prenatal care for their mothers and access to early childhood education programs.
2. An annual $17,000 check for each student to be used on the school of their choice (public, private or religious (I think this is the current expenditure per student). And since most students will continue to be educated in public schools let's provide wraparound services that address their social and mental needs, and ensure that their teachers are paid at the level that the profession deserves and that educators have access to quality professional development.
3. Promote drug and alcohol abstinence to improve health, happiness and quality of life.
4. Slash business taxes and red tape...for those businesses that train and hire difficult-to-employ local residents, including ex-offenders seeking a second chance.
5. Indemnify businesses against looting and fire damage.
6. Offer remedial education and business certifications for older students and adults that have already been screwed and abandoned by the system (or screwed themselves).
7. Beef up the police Internal Affairs dept. to investigate and publicly report on incidents of racially biased policing...and support the use of body cameras and training in culturally-relevant community policing.


All without increasing taxes in a very high tax state...
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1651 » by DCZards » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:28 am

dckingsfan wrote:
DCZards wrote:Hey Popper,

Thanks for putting some concrete ideas out there. I'd like to respond by amending/revising/adding to some of them.

1. A public effort to drastically reduce babies out of wedlock , and for those babies who are born out of wedlock let's make sure there is good prenatal care for their mothers and access to early childhood education programs.
2. An annual $17,000 check for each student to be used on the school of their choice (public, private or religious (I think this is the current expenditure per student). And since most students will continue to be educated in public schools let's provide wraparound services that address their social and mental needs, and ensure that their teachers are paid at the level that the profession deserves and that educators have access to quality professional development.
3. Promote drug and alcohol abstinence to improve health, happiness and quality of life.
4. Slash business taxes and red tape...for those businesses that train and hire difficult-to-employ local residents, including ex-offenders seeking a second chance.
5. Indemnify businesses against looting and fire damage.
6. Offer remedial education and business certifications for older students and adults that have already been screwed and abandoned by the system (or screwed themselves).
7. Beef up the police Internal Affairs dept. to investigate and publicly report on incidents of racially biased policing...and support the use of body cameras and training in culturally-relevant community policing.


All without increasing taxes in a very high tax state...


Yup, the fix ain't necessarily going to be cheap. But if the willpower is there it can be done by shifting priorities...and maybe something like adding a $5 surcharge to every ticket sold for Ravens, Orioles and Redskins game.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1652 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:15 pm

popper wrote:IMO the real tragedy of the recent Baltimore riots and protests is that nothing is going to change. Children will continue to be born out of wedlock and raised by single mothers. Schools will continue to perform at substandard levels (not entirely their fault but it’s a given based on current policies). Drug and alcohol abuse will continue at their current levels and businesses will avoid making investments due to risk and cost considerations. And amidst all the depravity and suffering, voters will continue to elect leaders that are sure to perpetuate the downward spiral.

I wonder whether some Baltimore politician could win an election running on the following platform?

1. A public effort to drastically reduce babies out of wedlock ,
2. An annual $17,000 check for each student to be used on the school of their choice (public, private or religious (I think this is the current expenditure per student).
3. Promote drug and alcohol abstinence to improve health, happiness and quality of life.
4. Slash business taxes and red tape.
5. Indemnify businesses against looting and fire damage.
6. Offer remedial education and business certifications for older students and adults that have already been screwed and abandoned by the system (or screwed themselves).
7. Beef up the police Internal Affairs dept. to investigate and publicly report on incidents of racially biased policing.


You're misdirecting the conversation away from the real root cause of all these problems - the institutional racism in the criminal justice system.

Charging young men with a felony is the best way to deny them jobs, education, and therefore access to health care, making them more likely to turn to drugs and behave irresponsibly (since they have no future).

Eliminate the institutionalized racism in the criminal justice system and you will eliminate most of the above problems. You can start by legalizing drugs and decriminalizing non-violent offenses. Cost to taxpayers? Zero. If anything, legalizing drugs will divert revenue from drug dealers to state coffers.

Would also help if we stopped the practice of dumping ex-cons and other detritus on low-income neighborhoods. Every time the residents of a high-crime apartment complex get relocated, for some reason they always end up in my neighborhood in Anacostia. What the hell. Dump them in Bethesda why don't you.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1653 » by dckingsfan » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:34 pm

DCZards wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
DCZards wrote:Hey Popper,

Thanks for putting some concrete ideas out there. I'd like to respond by amending/revising/adding to some of them.

1. A public effort to drastically reduce babies out of wedlock , and for those babies who are born out of wedlock let's make sure there is good prenatal care for their mothers and access to early childhood education programs.
2. An annual $17,000 check for each student to be used on the school of their choice (public, private or religious (I think this is the current expenditure per student). And since most students will continue to be educated in public schools let's provide wraparound services that address their social and mental needs, and ensure that their teachers are paid at the level that the profession deserves and that educators have access to quality professional development.
3. Promote drug and alcohol abstinence to improve health, happiness and quality of life.
4. Slash business taxes and red tape...for those businesses that train and hire difficult-to-employ local residents, including ex-offenders seeking a second chance.
5. Indemnify businesses against looting and fire damage.
6. Offer remedial education and business certifications for older students and adults that have already been screwed and abandoned by the system (or screwed themselves).
7. Beef up the police Internal Affairs dept. to investigate and publicly report on incidents of racially biased policing...and support the use of body cameras and training in culturally-relevant community policing.


All without increasing taxes in a very high tax state...


Yup, the fix ain't necessarily going to be cheap. But if the willpower is there it can be done by shifting priorities...and maybe something like adding a $5 surcharge to every ticket sold for Ravens, Orioles and Redskins game.


It would literally need to be a $100 surcharge for all of the Raven and Oriole games - although you might have been joking there :)

And there is very little if any flexibility for the local governments at this point. They are locked into long-term contracts. They are already in deficit spending mode. And we just got a new R governor because of all the tax hikes the old governor implemented.

This is going to be a VERY difficult hole for Baltimore to dig out of...
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1654 » by DCZards » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:05 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
DCZards wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
All without increasing taxes in a very high tax state...


Yup, the fix ain't necessarily going to be cheap. But if the willpower is there it can be done by shifting priorities...and maybe something like adding a $5 surcharge to every ticket sold for Ravens, Orioles and Redskins game.


It would literally need to be a $100 surcharge for all of the Raven and Oriole games - although you might have been joking there :)

And there is very little if any flexibility for the local governments at this point. They are locked into long-term contracts. They are already in deficit spending mode. And we just got a new R governor because of all the tax hikes the old governor implemented.

This is going to be a VERY difficult hole for Baltimore to dig out of...


To be clear, the suggestions I made in red were not meant to be B'More specific. These are things I believe we need to do across the country to close the opportunity/achievement gap.
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Post#1655 » by dckingsfan » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:06 pm

Understood - what do we cut to get there? Or do we just raise taxes?

Edit: Sorry a bit snarky there.

The problem as I see it is that there is no funding coming from the federal government at this time. The money is going into entitlement and defense and we can't even fund basic infrastructure. I see no way that they are going to fund an initiative like this.

And at the local level, they have massive unfunded liabilities so the funding isn't coming there either. Add to that the intransient nature of the unions at the school/police level and I think the changes aren't going to be rapidly forthcoming.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1656 » by nate33 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:39 pm

queridiculo wrote:This piece was published on September 28th, 2014.

I suggest anyone trying to frame an argument about misplaced aggression in light of a "few isolated incidents" to read it, and to bow their head in shame.

Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations. Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson.

Those cases detail a frightful human toll. Officers have battered dozens of residents who suffered broken bones — jaws, noses, arms, legs, ankles — head trauma, organ failure, and even death, coming during questionable arrests. Some residents were beaten while handcuffed; others were thrown to the pavement.

And in almost every case, prosecutors or judges dismissed the charges against the victims — if charges were filed at all. In an incident that drew headlines recently, charges against a South Baltimore man were dropped after a video showed an officer repeatedly punching him — a beating that led the police commissioner to say he was “shocked.”

Such beatings, in which the victims are most often African-Americans, carry a hefty cost. They can poison relationships between police and the community, limiting cooperation in the fight against crime, the mayor and police officials say. They also divert money in the city budget — the $5.7 million in taxpayer funds paid out since January 2011 would cover the price of a state-of-the-art rec center or renovations at more than 30 playgrounds. And that doesn’t count the $5.8 million spent by the city on legal fees to defend these claims brought against police.


Keep in mind that local statutes limit award against municipalities to $200,000.

http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

On the subject of police brutality, I think we are all forming opinions based on anecdotal evidence and sensationalism instead of facts and statistics.

Yes, there are certainly instances of unjustified police brutality, and in all cases, they are wrong and should be condemned. But at the same time, we have to realize that police work is a tough business and the vetting of potential police officers is an inexact process. There will always be some evil, corrupt, or mentally unstable employees in any organization. What I would like to know is whether the American system of law enforcement produces a higher percentage of police brutality incidents relative to other nations, and whether or not the brutality in America exhibits a racial pattern.

I don't know how to answer my first question because chances are different nations maintain statistics in a different manner and they may be difficult to compare. In general, American is understood to be a relatively low corruption society, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it has a police force that is proportionately lower in brutality incidents.

On the second question, of whether or not our police are systematically racist, we have at least some data. Each year, the FBI produces the Supplementary Homicide Report which provides some data on who was killed by police. The report isn't all encompassing because not every police department participates, but over 18,000 police departments are included. According to the SHR report of 2012, there were 426 "justifiable homicide" incidents where a policeman killed a suspect/felon. Of those 426 killed, 52% were white, 31% were black, and 12% were Hispanic.

At first glance, it appears that there is indeed a bias toward proportionally killing blacks, since blacks represent 13% of the population, Hispanics are 17%, and whites are 63%. But that doesn't seem to me to be the appropriate way to look at it. Obviously, police should only be in a position of using deadly force when they are dealing with violent suspects. So the appropriate way to judge the numbers is to compare the cop killings to the percentage of violent criminals. Using FBI murder statistics as a proxy for violent crime, we see that blacks commit 52.4% of murders and whites and Hispanics combined commit 45.2% of murders. (It is more difficult to separate white and Hispanic murderers because the FBI data stopped differentiating between the two. They do differentiate between the two when it classifying victims, curiously. Using victimization rate as a proxy for murder rate since most murders are within one's own racial community, Hispanics commit about 23% of murders and whites commit 22%.)

So to review, in police shooting incidents, 52% of the victims are white, 31% are black, and 12% are Hispanic. This compares to murder statistics where 52% of the perpetrators are black, 23% are Hispanic, and 22% are white. Statistically, one would have to conclude that the police force are manifestly not racist and are using significant restraint in avoiding shooting violent black suspects relative to violent white and Hispanics suspects.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1657 » by DCZards » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:19 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Understood - what do we cut to get there? Or do we just raise taxes?

Edit: Sorry a bit snarky there.

The problem as I see it is that there is no funding coming from the federal government at this time. The money is going into entitlement and defense and we can't even fund basic infrastructure. I see no way that they are going to fund an initiative like this.

And at the local level, they have massive unfunded liabilities so the funding isn't coming there either. Add to that the intransient nature of the unions at the school/police level and I think the changes aren't going to be rapidly forthcoming.


I agree that on the surface it seems like it would be very difficult to come up with the money to fund the kind of programs/changes that I'm looking for. But I truly believe it's really a matter of political will on the part of our elected leader--and priorties on the part of the rest of us. We can find a way to fund these programs if we're really sincere about addressing some of the deep-rooted socioeconomic problems that often lead to situations like what we have going on now in B'More.

Otherwise, we all are just "talkin' loud, sayin' nothing."
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1658 » by dckingsfan » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:26 pm

DCZards wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Understood - what do we cut to get there? Or do we just raise taxes?

Edit: Sorry a bit snarky there.

The problem as I see it is that there is no funding coming from the federal government at this time. The money is going into entitlement and defense and we can't even fund basic infrastructure. I see no way that they are going to fund an initiative like this.

And at the local level, they have massive unfunded liabilities so the funding isn't coming there either. Add to that the intransient nature of the unions at the school/police level and I think the changes aren't going to be rapidly forthcoming.


I agree that on the surface it seems like it would be very difficult to come up with the money to fund the kind of programs/changes that I'm looking for. But I truly believe it's really a matter of political will on the part of our elected leader--and priorties on the part of the rest of us. We can find a way to fund these programs if we're really sincere about addressing some of the deep-rooted socioeconomic problems that often lead to situations like what we have going on now in B'More.

Otherwise, we all are just "talkin' loud, sayin' nothing."
(Props to the late James Brown for that last line.)


Agree Zards - the politicians are "talkin' loud, sayin' nothing" right now. One wing of the Rs is adamant about defense spending. The other wing of the Rs is looking to cut spending. The Ds are going to block anyone from touching entitlement spending.

And at the local level their unfunded liabilities are growing and for the most part they have a difficult time negotiating with the unions.

It just isn't going to happen... I would put the odds against at 1000 to 1.
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Re: Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1659 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:33 pm

Cops are doing their jobs the way we have instructed them to do it, by applying different standards to different people depending on their race. So are judges and corrections officers and everyone else involved in the criminal justice system. The system is designed to be racist. That is what institutionalized racism means. If everyone does their job correctly, blacks will be disproportionately affected.

So I don't think it's relevant to complain that cops are doing their jobs correctly. People in Baltimore and Ferguson and etc. are angry because the end result of the system is they get screwed. Instances of police brutality are the flash point but not the reason people are rioting. People are rioting because they are getting screwed in general.

Since we're the ones who created this system, it's our job to figure out how to fix it. Not point fingers at Balmers and say they should just accept their lot in life as second class citizens.
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Political Roundtable - Part VI 

Post#1660 » by Induveca » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:43 pm

They live in a dead, crime-ridden, city with awful education.. Here's an idea.....MOVE. Dead 1960s era manufacturing cities don't provide opportunities for your children in 2015.

The economy will never bring Baltimore back, it's just another Trenton, NJ. For whatever reason the residents have refused to realize it.

The sooner people accept the city will never support itself the better. Building a perma-welfare city isn't a solution, it's a utopian waste of time. This has accumulated over decades, and the real issue is a lack of JOBS. Give everybody a job at a bustling factory or port, and a 10k credit card in a good economy.....no riot.

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