Future draft classes

[No-Man]

Rooks is skilled, no idea how he is after the injury, Okoroh is just a body.

[reanimator]

Shocking how many players passed on Uk..guess it was just one of those fluke years where a lot of the top players felt more comfortable elsewhere though if you look at the 247 predictions Uk isn't the leader for any of the top 10..

a lot of the kids in this class all seemed to have ideal fit for themselves in mind when picking and not necessary signing with the biggest and best schools. Its a smart move.

I agree which I think is a good sign..though the skeptic side of me says how does California get that kinda class without something fishy happening

Shareef Abdur Rahim

[Hendrix]

Anybody know why Jamal Murray is ranked 21st in 2016? Seems kind of low considering he's been head and shoulders the best player on the court against elite players his age in the last few all star type games

Because it is a high school game and production in a high school game doesnt dictate draft position. Bit of a tweener at the moment, is going to need to work on his point guard skills, doesnt bring any great tools to the table as far as length or athleticism. No reason he should be ranked high at this point.

Ok, I disagree. He has amazing size for PG, his body control around the rim, and ability to get places on the court, are great as are his scoring abilities. Yes, he needs to show he can play PG at the college level, but that is something every single PG needs to show. So far, I like what I've seen from him in that department.

And, of course high school games factor into projections about players draft positions, when we are talking about high school students. Once we get more information about these guys in college, then high school means less, but at this point what else would one compare high school players, other than based on performance in high school aged, games?

[EMG518]

Anybody know why Jamal Murray is ranked 21st in 2016? Seems kind of low considering he's been head and shoulders the best player on the court against elite players his age in the last few all star type games

Because it is a high school game and production in a high school game doesnt dictate draft position. Bit of a tweener at the moment, is going to need to work on his point guard skills, doesnt bring any great tools to the table as far as length or athleticism. No reason he should be ranked high at this point.

Ok, I disagree. He has amazing size for PG, his body control around the rim, and ability to get places on the court, are great as are his scoring abilities. Yes, he needs to show he can play PG at the college level, but that is something every single PG needs to show. So far, I like what I've seen from him in that department.

And, of course high school games factor into projections about players draft positions, when we are talking about high school students. Once we get more information about these guys in college, then high school means less, but at this point what else would one compare high school players, other than based on performance in high school aged, games?

He did measure out better than I thought. For some reason I thought he was like 6'3", 6'5" wing span. Everything else though, he needs to work on his point guard skills and there isnt a lot of projection to me for him. He isnt a great athlete and I dont see him developing a ton skill wise. His production in a few high school games dont mean anything either.I think he is more than appropriately ranked.

[Hendrix]

Because it is a high school game and production in a high school game doesnt dictate draft position. Bit of a tweener at the moment, is going to need to work on his point guard skills, doesnt bring any great tools to the table as far as length or athleticism. No reason he should be ranked high at this point.

Ok, I disagree. He has amazing size for PG, his body control around the rim, and ability to get places on the court, are great as are his scoring abilities. Yes, he needs to show he can play PG at the college level, but that is something every single PG needs to show. So far, I like what I've seen from him in that department.

And, of course high school games factor into projections about players draft positions, when we are talking about high school students. Once we get more information about these guys in college, then high school means less, but at this point what else would one compare high school players, other than based on performance in high school aged, games?

He did measure out better than I thought. For some reason I thought he was like 6'3", 6'5" wing span. Everything else though, he needs to work on his point guard skills and there isnt a lot of projection to me for him. He isnt a great athlete and I dont see him developing a ton skill wise. His production in a few high school games dont mean anything either.I think he is more than appropriately ranked.

What should someone compare high school players with other than what they've shown in high school games? I mean, how do you know he needs to work on his point guard skills if you don't count what he showed in high school games as acceptable information?

I also am not really understanding where the physical/skill devlopment comments are coming from.

How many PG's can throw it down at high speed, or do acrobatic layups like at 2:20, 4:30, 6:00?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwGQMhdItbQ[/youtube]


To me he has a great physical profile if he's at PG, and a mediocre one if he ends up at SG. But, I've rarely seen SG's in high school games be as crafty, and good with the ball in their hands as Murray. Wiggins, and Derozan for example I don't remember even making any good quality half court drives in these types of games.

[EMG518]

Ok, I disagree. He has amazing size for PG, his body control around the rim, and ability to get places on the court, are great as are his scoring abilities. Yes, he needs to show he can play PG at the college level, but that is something every single PG needs to show. So far, I like what I've seen from him in that department.

And, of course high school games factor into projections about players draft positions, when we are talking about high school students. Once we get more information about these guys in college, then high school means less, but at this point what else would one compare high school players, other than based on performance in high school aged, games?

He did measure out better than I thought. For some reason I thought he was like 6'3", 6'5" wing span. Everything else though, he needs to work on his point guard skills and there isnt a lot of projection to me for him. He isnt a great athlete and I dont see him developing a ton skill wise. His production in a few high school games dont mean anything either.I think he is more than appropriately ranked.

What should someone compare high school players with other than what they've shown in high school games? I mean, how do you know he needs to work on his point guard skills if you don't count what he showed in high school games as acceptable information?

I also am not really understanding where the physical/skill devlopment comments are coming from.

How many PG's can throw it down at high speed, or do acrobatic layups like at 2:20, 4:30, 6:00?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwGQMhdItbQ[/youtube]


To me he has a great physical profile if he's at PG, and a mediocre one if he ends up at SG. But, I've rarely seen SG's in high school games be as crafty, and good with the ball in their hands as Murray. Wiggins, and Derozan for example I don't remember even making any good quality half court drives in these types of games.

You were talking about production in a high school game setting, I am saying it is meaningless. I am not saying nothing can be discerned from watching him. That is clearly where I formed my opinion from as well as anyone else who has ranked him.

Youre right, that is because they had alot more development left skill wise versus him which I already said I dont see a lot of projection left skill wise.

Think what ever you want. To me he looks like a role player and is appropriately ranked. I dont see much projection left whether it be his body or skill level. He isnt a very good athlete. It is what it is. You came into this thread asking for an explanation for his ranking and I gave it. I didnt come here to go back and forth with you about it.

[MinneOOPalis]

The Ukrainian guy is their most interesting prospect


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[No-Man]

Well, we got Kenny Williams, much needed shooter.
Only Maker, Murray and Mack from the top100 left.

Britt-Berry-White
Paige-Williams
Jackson-Pinson
Johnson-Hicks-Maye
Meeks-James

I think we have a real chance to win it all.

[Hendrix]

You were talking about production in a high school game setting, I am saying it is meaningless. I am not saying nothing can be discerned from watching him. That is clearly where I formed my opinion from as well as anyone else who has ranked him.

Youre right, that is because they had alot more development left skill wise versus him which I already said I dont see a lot of projection left skill wise.

Think what ever you want. To me he looks like a role player and is appropriately ranked. I dont see much projection left whether it be his body or skill level. He isnt a very good athlete. It is what it is. You came into this thread asking for an explanation for his ranking and I gave it. I didnt come here to go back and forth with you about it.

Guy, I could not care less if you have a differing of opinion, everybody has their own opinion. I'm trying to wrap my head around your logic/argument. You've been bringing up how production in a high school game doesn't matter 3 times now and I do not know why. Somehow when you watch him play you form a perfectly valid opinion of his skill set. Cool.

Yet when I watch him play and form an opinion on his skill set, you're saying it's not valid because production in a high school game doesn't matter. WTF, I'm doing the same thing as you, except coming to a different conclusion. I don't know if you're insinuating that I just looked up the box scores and formed an opinion, or what your deal is.

[EMG518]

You were talking about production in a high school game setting, I am saying it is meaningless. I am not saying nothing can be discerned from watching him. That is clearly where I formed my opinion from as well as anyone else who has ranked him.

Youre right, that is because they had alot more development left skill wise versus him which I already said I dont see a lot of projection left skill wise.

Think what ever you want. To me he looks like a role player and is appropriately ranked. I dont see much projection left whether it be his body or skill level. He isnt a very good athlete. It is what it is. You came into this thread asking for an explanation for his ranking and I gave it. I didnt come here to go back and forth with you about it.

Guy, I could not care less if you have a differing of opinion, everybody has their own opinion. I'm trying to wrap my head around your logic/argument. You've been bringing up how production in a high school game doesn't matter 3 times now and I do not know why. Somehow when you watch him play you form a perfectly valid opinion of his skill set. Cool.

Yet when I watch him play and form an opinion on his skill set, you're saying it's not valid because production in a high school game doesn't matter. WTF, I'm doing the same thing as you, except coming to a different conclusion. I don't know if you're insinuating that I just looked up the box scores and formed an opinion, or what your deal is.

Was that quote you have in your sig directed towards you because I am honestly starting to believe it was.

This is the last time I am responding. You asked why he was ranked 21st when he played the best of all the players in a few all star game type settings.

I have said multiple times that production in a high school game is meaningless. You cant wrap your head around a high school game being different than a college game, a college game being different than a professional game? Really?

You cant wrap your head around that most of these players he looked so good against are kids, raw, underdeveloped.

You cant wrap your head around that his actual production means nothing if it doesnt translate to the higher levels.

Youre not doing the same thing as me, youre watching him produce the most and coming to the conclusion he is the best player there. I am watching him and thinking about what he will be when he is in the league in a few years. It is not the same.

I am not insinuating anything. You asked for an explanation as to his ranking of 21st. I explained that he needs to work on his point guard skills, I dont see alot of projection left in him whether it be physicall or skill wise. He isnt that athletic. I believe he looks like a roation player if anything at the professional level. If you cant accept the reasons that I think the ranking is accurate then I guess you cant. If you cant accept it then maybe you shouldnt have asked for it though.

[No-Man]

I am curious about JaQuan Lyle, already 19 so, kind of old for a frosh, but he decommitted and committed again three times in one year, he is going to be the guy stepping in D'Angelo shoes at OSU, and he has some elite treats, size, ballhandling, that could fair well, still unsure of which type of combo guard is he, but the Buckeyes have, other than Russell departure, and some seniors, a more balance, deep and talented roster than last year, so he might be a sleeper.

Lyle/Harris
Williams/Grandstaff
Tate/Bates-Diop
Loving/Mitchell
Giddens/Thompson/Bell

Potentially love that Loving-Mitchell-Giddens trio, all good passers with skills.

[EricAnderson]

I am curious about JaQuan Lyle, already 19 so, kind of old for a frosh, but he decommitted and committed again three times in one year, he is going to be the guy stepping in D'Angelo shoes at OSU, and he has some elite treats, size, ballhandling, that could fair well, still unsure of which type of combo guard is he, but the Buckeyes have, other than Russell departure, and some seniors, a more balance, deep and talented roster than last year, so he might be a sleeper.

Lyle/Harris
Williams/Grandstaff
Tate/Bates-Diop
Loving/Mitchell
Giddens/Thompson/Bell

Potentially love that Loving-Mitchell-Giddens trio, all good passers with skills.

Loving has to get back on track..after he came back from suspension he was awful and clearly his head seemed to be somewhere else..

[No-Man]

It seems that the Wildcats are getting another fella, we will see what happens with Murray, but LeGerald Vick who just reclassifies is apparently down to UK or SMU.

Ulis
Briscoe
Hawkins

Murray
Mulder
Matthews
Vick

Poythress
Willis
Lee
Labissiere

In a down year, it is ridiculous.

[Go_Hornets]

I could easily see Brandon Ingram being a top 2 pick...dude has a scary amount of potential

[Marcus]

I could easily see Brandon Ingram being a top 2 pick...dude has a scary amount of potential

Love Ingram's potential. not sure about top 2 though. Seems like a lot would have to go right for him to earn that slot.

Jaylen Brown would either need to return to Cal for a sophmore year or have a really down year for Ingram to jump him as a wing prospect.

If he doesn't jump Jaylen then the teams picking 1 and 2 would need to have their big man spots completely locked up and have no need for Skal Labissiere or Ben Simmons or Ivan Rabb. skilled bigs (which all 3 are) don't typically get passed on by teams looking to find franchise type pieces.

[EricAnderson]

I could easily see Brandon Ingram being a top 2 pick...dude has a scary amount of potential

Love Ingram's potential. not sure about top 2 though. Seems like a lot would have to go right for him to earn that slot.

Jaylen Brown would either need to return to Cal for a sophmore year or have a really down year for Ingram to jump him as a wing prospect.

If he doesn't jump Jaylen then the teams picking 1 and 2 would need to have their big man spots completely locked up and have no need for Skal Labissiere or Ben Simmons or Ivan Rabb. skilled bigs (which all 3 are) don't typically get passed on by teams looking to find franchise type pieces.

I've only seen him a few times and I could be very wrong but when I see Rabb nothing about him screams top pick to me

[Marcus]

I could easily see Brandon Ingram being a top 2 pick...dude has a scary amount of potential

Love Ingram's potential. not sure about top 2 though. Seems like a lot would have to go right for him to earn that slot.

Jaylen Brown would either need to return to Cal for a sophmore year or have a really down year for Ingram to jump him as a wing prospect.

If he doesn't jump Jaylen then the teams picking 1 and 2 would need to have their big man spots completely locked up and have no need for Skal Labissiere or Ben Simmons or Ivan Rabb. skilled bigs (which all 3 are) don't typically get passed on by teams looking to find franchise type pieces.

I've only seen him a few times and I could be very wrong but when I see Rabb nothing about him screams top pick to me

he has been admittedly underwhelming in some of the HS All-Star settings and he still needs to put on more size. Cal should be good for him though breakout wise. He's much better in a team/normal game setting. Should be a focal point on the block at Cal and get to showoff his strengths there. I'll admit his stock is slipping though. He needs a strong year at Berkeley.

[No-Man]

I can see Ingram going as high as 1st overall, it depends how much technique and scoring ability he shows, if he looks anything like Durant he has a shot.

[Marcus]

I can see Ingram going as high as 1st overall, it depends how much technique and scoring ability he shows, if he looks anything like Durant he has a shot.

you think he leaps over Jaylen?

[No-Man]

I do, I think Jaylen can suffer a bit from the Muhammad/Stanley syndrom and look a bit raw and not that superior physically, he is a better athlete than both of those guys, but he can lose some hype going forward.
I think Ingram, Labissiere, Ingram, Simmons and probably Bender are the consensus top5 as of now.