Off Topic VII

[BeesWax]

doesnt matter why he is asking for that much. if he gets anything close to it, it will set the market for all the other (next tier) QBs like Cam. Cam's agent isn't going to ask for less and say "Hey, we know Wilson got 30 mil, but we'll take 20 mil because we know that Russ was just getting extra because he was underpaid for so long".

I do not disagree. I was just pointing out what I think he is doing. If I were Cam they would have to pay me a ton to stick around.

of course, because Gettleman is a terrible monster who will drive all our good players away and all free agents and their agents will refuse to come here because of Gettleman. Cam will be stuck playing for an awful team if he stays because Gettleman is the worst GM on the planet. We get it.

Actually, while all that is true, I was saying this because he has no offensive tackles and has to run for his life so much. If I had to play behind that mess I would want a little extra.

[BeesWax]

I feel bad for Fowler and the Jags. Going down with a torn ACL on the first day of rookie camp is awful.

[Hornet Mania]

I feel bad for Fowler and the Jags. Going down with a torn ACL on the first day of rookie camp is awful.

I just heard the news and surprised myself by how upset I was, given that I'm no Jags fan. That's ridiculously awful. Eight days after you draft a guy(to quote John Madden), BOOM, he tears an ACL on the first day of rookie camp.

On the topic of Gettleman, I'm fine with his moves thus far. Don't think he's any kind of genius but he's also not a hopeless case either. At least he's not making it rain on mediocre players, so even if he strikes out and gets canned the next regime will end up with a mostly clean slate. Can't argue with the draft record thus far either, even if I'm very iffy on some of our trade-ups this time around. Only strike I have clearly against him is the way he split with Steve Smith. I'll never fully understand nor forgive him for that, and I sort of hope karma smacks him in the mouth for it eventually while somehow leaving the Panthers unscathed.

We're gonna back up the money truck for Cam and it will hamstring us the same way nearly every elite QB destroys all flexibility for their team. It's totally ridiculous but it's also, unfortunately, inevitable. I hope Cam remembers how awful it felt to get smacked around his first two seasons here (and how all the blame gets pointed squarely at the QB), realizes he needs to preserve a bit of money to have a decent squad around him, and cuts us at least a tiny bit of slack. Probably not though. We're going to have to adopt the same model as Green Bay, draft well and let all but the most valuable players walk when it comes time to cash in on their success.

[fatlever]

Russell Wilson is seeking a contract of 4 years, 120 mil, Seahawks offering something closer to 80 mil. How do you even begin to build a competitive team, long-term, when you have one player eating up that much of your cap space?

What happens when Cam asks for a deal around 30 mil per season?

Was listening to the radio today and they talked about this. Seahawks are in a tough spot because their success is attributable to a lot more than Wilson. If they give him a mega deal, they have to believe that he can carry them more by himself because they aren't going to have the space to spend elsewhere.

It's tough though because even if strategically he might be replaceable and not worth the cap space he's going to demand, fans are not going to be ok with letting him walk when there is no clear path forward at QB. Puts the GM in a really tough spot.

The radio show hosts ended up talking about the potential for max contracts in the NFL to try to limit the crazy deals that FOs get faced with.

yeah, its a lose lose deal for the Seahawks. If they sign him to a crazy deal like that, they can say goodbye to any return trips to the superbowl. Take 29 million dollars worth of depth and defense off that team and they have no chance to be that good. But, if they let him go, while they may have a chance to replace him with a similar QB, it would be a PR disaster.

[Liver_Pooty]

The NFL salary cap is what? 144 million? NBA is about to close to 90 million distributed over 14 players or so on a team as compared to 53 on an NFL roster while the NFL makes a ton more overall.

Yeah, I think that's an issue

[fatlever]

What day is it? Dry Hump Day.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoMDMrxkx74[/youtube]

[BlackOutBuzz]

I also got a nice laugh out the Hurney vs. Gettleman argument. Gettleman is still paying for Hurney's cap hell. Yeah we had some space this year, but the NFL has a hard cap. As in, under no circumstances can you exceed it. Basically the opposite of the NBA cap with its various exceptions.

Teams will also lose space after cuts. It's a bit more complicated than this, but basically during the offseason only 51 contracts count, but once the season starts ALL of your contracts count. In the NBA, if you spend all your money you can still sign guys for the minimum. Not so in the NFL, once it's spent you're out of luck. Used your cap space up and just lost a guy to a torn ACL? Tough ****, you're playing down a man. You're gonna lose several players due to injury, so you have to keep some money stored away to pay for replacements.

Gettleman's first two drafts netted us 8 starting-level players out of 11 picks, not to mention he brought in undrafted guys like Philly Brown, Andrew Norwell, Wes Horton, Melvin White, and Robert Lester.

Meanwhile, Hurney had a recent 3-year stretch from 2009-11 where only 1 guy stuck. AND HE WAS THE **** NUMBER ONE PICK. One guy...out of 25 picks.

I believe you forgot the word "here". It should say only one guy stuck here. A number of the guys from those drafts are playing other places and some are starting there. 3-7 picks from 2009 nine started at least one game last year while 5 from 2010 started last season at least once. So yes he had a rough stretch but he also did not do as bad as it looks when you only see who is left on our team. Every guy has some bad seasons and 2011 other than Cam was one. Again I am not saying Hurney was a great GM but just that Gettleman is not a great one either.

Cam Newton, Greg Hardy, Brandon LaFell, Captain Munnerlyn: that's the extent of the notable players drafted during that timeframe. In Gettleman's first two years he drafted 7-8 contributors with 11 picks, and that's not counting guys like Philly Brown who went undrafted. Regardless of your opinion on Gettleman, you can't deny his draft acumen.

And Gross' restructure the year before he retired was done to cushion the blow from his pending retirement. The new contract was set to automatically void the day after the Super Bowl that year, with the aforepaid signing bonus amortized over several years instead of hitting the cap all at once (as is the case when a player retires under contract).

[BeesWax]

I also got a nice laugh out the Hurney vs. Gettleman argument. Gettleman is still paying for Hurney's cap hell. Yeah we had some space this year, but the NFL has a hard cap. As in, under no circumstances can you exceed it. Basically the opposite of the NBA cap with its various exceptions.

Teams will also lose space after cuts. It's a bit more complicated than this, but basically during the offseason only 51 contracts count, but once the season starts ALL of your contracts count. In the NBA, if you spend all your money you can still sign guys for the minimum. Not so in the NFL, once it's spent you're out of luck. Used your cap space up and just lost a guy to a torn ACL? Tough ****, you're playing down a man. You're gonna lose several players due to injury, so you have to keep some money stored away to pay for replacements.

Gettleman's first two drafts netted us 8 starting-level players out of 11 picks, not to mention he brought in undrafted guys like Philly Brown, Andrew Norwell, Wes Horton, Melvin White, and Robert Lester.

Meanwhile, Hurney had a recent 3-year stretch from 2009-11 where only 1 guy stuck. AND HE WAS THE **** NUMBER ONE PICK. One guy...out of 25 picks.

I believe you forgot the word "here". It should say only one guy stuck here. A number of the guys from those drafts are playing other places and some are starting there. 3-7 picks from 2009 nine started at least one game last year while 5 from 2010 started last season at least once. So yes he had a rough stretch but he also did not do as bad as it looks when you only see who is left on our team. Every guy has some bad seasons and 2011 other than Cam was one. Again I am not saying Hurney was a great GM but just that Gettleman is not a great one either.

Cam Newton, Greg Hardy, Brandon LaFell, Captain Munnerlyn: that's the extent of the notable players drafted during that timeframe. In Gettleman's first two years he drafted 7-8 contributors with 11 picks, and that's not counting guys like Philly Brown who went undrafted. Regardless of your opinion on Gettleman, you can't deny his draft acumen.

And Gross' restructure the year before he retired was done to cushion the blow from his pending retirement. The new contract was set to automatically void the day after the Super Bowl that year, with the aforepaid signing bonus amortized over several years instead of hitting the cap all at once (as is the case when a player retires under contract).

Wow then quite a few people who are not of note made starts last season. Oh man we got 7-8 contributors on a 7-8-1 team what a steal. I cannot believe we had that many players start on such a poorly performing squad. In those drafts plenty of guys played the years we were not good and then were replaced to make us better.

Gross was not going to retire according to everyone who I have ever heard talk about it that knew him. His contract was reworked to save cap money and even Gettleman admitted he wanted to bring him back last season. Gross hated the man by all accounts I have ever heard. He did not want to deal with him so it was easier just to retire. There was a desire by the Panthers to bring him back but he chose not to deal with the Jerk.

The point is the man is giving us a poor league wide reputation and people just ignore it. Nobody wants to be here guys drafted here just have to be.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Yeah I mean why couldn't all those rookies and sophomores make the Pro Bowl. I'll take contributors on a division winner over a bunch of guys not even in the league. This is rather silly and not really worth arguing over.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol. Geez. Still talking about Gettleman eh? We could probably revitalize the Panthers board with this talk. Its dead over there.

[BeesWax]

I love the division winner argument. How about we look at it realistically and say they started on a 7 win team. Division had to be epically bad for us to win and we would have been a top ten picking team had we missed the last week.

[BeesWax]

That Byrd kid from South Carolina is super fast. If he can catch at all he will make it in this league.

[HornetJail]

That Byrd kid from South Carolina is super fast. If he can catch at all he will make it in this league.

Damiere signed with the Panthers? Yeah, that dude is fast as hell and he's got some pretty nice hands. I'm excited to see what Cam can do with him.

[BeesWax]

That Byrd kid from South Carolina is super fast. If he can catch at all he will make it in this league.

Damiere signed with the Panthers? Yeah, that dude is fast as hell and he's got some pretty nice hands. I'm excited to see what Cam can do with him.

Me too. I have a buddy who is a Gamecocks fan and he said Byrd never had a chance to prove himself. Shaw didn't have the arm and Thompson lacked the accuracy to use him properly. He appears to have caught the ball well at rookie camp from what I have read. He could pass Brown if he proves he has the hands because the kid has speed to burn. 4.28 on grass is amazing.

[yosemiteben]

I am really pulling for Tolbert this season. He was a major difference maker in 2013 but last season he wasn't the same guy, even before the injury. Don't know if it was just line issues but hopefully this is a better year for him.

Getting more and more excited about the Funchess pick.

[HornetJail]

That Byrd kid from South Carolina is super fast. If he can catch at all he will make it in this league.

Damiere signed with the Panthers? Yeah, that dude is fast as hell and he's got some pretty nice hands. I'm excited to see what Cam can do with him.

Me too. I have a buddy who is a Gamecocks fan and he said Byrd never had a chance to prove himself. Shaw didn't have the arm and Thompson lacked the accuracy to use him properly. He appears to have caught the ball well at rookie camp from what I have read. He could pass Brown if he proves he has the hands because the kid has speed to burn. 4.28 on grass is amazing.

I'd agree with most of that- I thought Shaw was fine, but damn Thompson was a mess last season. Definitely didn't get a lot out of our receivers in general.

[BeesWax]

Damiere signed with the Panthers? Yeah, that dude is fast as hell and he's got some pretty nice hands. I'm excited to see what Cam can do with him.

Me too. I have a buddy who is a Gamecocks fan and he said Byrd never had a chance to prove himself. Shaw didn't have the arm and Thompson lacked the accuracy to use him properly. He appears to have caught the ball well at rookie camp from what I have read. He could pass Brown if he proves he has the hands because the kid has speed to burn. 4.28 on grass is amazing.

I'd agree with most of that- I thought Shaw was fine, but damn Thompson was a mess last season. Definitely didn't get a lot out of our receivers in general.

I always thought Shaw was a solid QB but lacked the elite arm. Just seemed to float the long ball out there. reminds me a bit of Garcia back in his 49er days. Can't get it deep very good but can pick apart a defense with his legs and underneath throws.

[fatlever]

This quiz is for Sachmo, Bigslam and Sik - can you guess the Australian city based on emojis

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[JDR720]

This quiz is for Sachmo, Bigslam and Sik - can you guess the Australian city based on emojis

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i guessed my way to 4-11. i am an average Australian

[HornetJail]

This quiz is for Sachmo, Bigslam and Sik - can you guess the Australian city based on emojis

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i guessed my way to 4-11. i am an average Australian

Guessed my way to 5-11 and I haven't heard of most of these