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Post#1201 » by Badgerlander » Mon May 11, 2015 8:04 pm

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Ethan Happ has earned a reputation as a nuisance in practice during his first season with the University of Wisconsin men’s basketball team.

Don’t take that the wrong way: It’s a good thing Happ is constantly getting on teammates’ nerves with his non-stop motor and willingness to scrap as a member of the scout team that helps senior center Frank Kaminsky and the Badgers’ other regulars get ready for the next opponent.

“Sometimes, I’d like to take a shot at him in practice just to get him to calm down a little bit,” Kaminsky said earlier this week. “But it’s good, because we need that kind of intensity.”

Effort has helped the 6-foot-9, 230-pound Happ, a freshman who is redshirting this season, hold his own against Kaminsky despite the fact he’s playing out of position. As the tallest player on the scout team, Happ typically draws the assignment of mimicking the opposing team’s center.

Happ’s latest job was to play the role of Purdue 7-footers Isaac Haas and A.J. Hammons to help Kaminsky and the No. 4 Badgers (14-1, 2-0 Big Ten) prepare for their game against the Boilermakers (10-5, 2-0) tonight at the Kohl Center.

“One of the things we worried about when Evan (Anderson) didn’t come back was if we’d have anybody to guard Frank and give him some competition,” UW assistant coach Gary Close said. “And Ethan has done that and more.”

In fact, Happ has made a favorable impression on his coaches and teammates without playing a single minute this season.

UW coach Bo Ryan gushed about Happ on his weekly radio show recently.

“He’s going to be one of the better players ever to wear the Badger uniform,” Ryan said. “He has accepted his role of being the big man for the other team in every practice. He’s non-stop, he’s improved in so many areas, and he loves to compete.”

UW’s frontcourt includes Kaminsky, a preseason All-American; junior forward Sam Dekker, who joined Kaminsky on the preseason All-Big Ten team; and sophomore forward Nigel Hayes, the Big Ten’s Sixth Man of the Year last season.

NBA scouts are keeping a close eye on all three of those Badgers, yet senior guard Josh Gasser says this of Happ: “Best player on the court sometimes.”

UW student-managers chart statistics in practices, and Close said Happ is the Badgers’ leading rebounder. Some of that production is due to a high volume of reps — Happ spends more time on the court than the starters because the coaches don’t have to worry about saving his energy for games — but the freshman also has displayed a knack for coming up with 50/50 balls in traffic.

Happ has several tools that help him in that area: long arms, good instincts and a toughness not often seen in players seven months removed from high school.

“Ethan understands the game,” Kaminsky said. “He’s really learning everything pretty quickly.”

Kaminsky is quick to dispense advice — and Happ is a willing listener. He’s eager to get the most out of this season, even if it’s been difficult to watch from the bench on game days.
Happ looks around and sees a bunch of his classmates making an impact as freshmen. Northwestern played five true freshmen during an 81-58 loss to visiting UW on Sunday night. Purdue has two freshmen in the starting lineup and two others in its regular rotation.
While Happ knows he could be contributing to the Badgers this season — he was neck-and-neck with sophomore forward Vitto Brown, UW’s second frontcourt player off the bench, during the preseason — he’s trying not to dwell on his decision to redshirt.

“It is hard, but at the same time, you can see how well this team is playing, and I’m just going to keep doing my part on the scout team,” Happ said. “I try not to think about it, just because once you make a decision, you don’t want to look back on it. But there are times when I think, ‘Man, I could definitely do something out there, at least for a couple minutes.’ But I made the decision, and I’m not going to look back.”

One of Happ’s biggest priorities during his redshirt season is improving his shot. He’s constantly working with Close after practice to fix some bad habits, and both say significant progress has been made since the start of the season.

As for getting under his teammates’ skin in practice, Happ says it’s not by design.

“I really don’t like it,” Happ said. “My nature is to fight for the call or dive on the ball. The starters get mad at me … then I feel bad.

“But I guess if it’s going to make them get better, I’ll keep it up.”



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Post#1202 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon May 11, 2015 8:31 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Hindsight is obviously 20/20, but if Happ is instantly a stud this year, he should have been playing last year. Other than Kaminsky, Wisconsin was not that deep in the front court, especially if Happ is more of a physical presence than Dukan was.


yeah, they might have won the B1G, won the B1G tournament, and made a run all the way to the final game of the NCAA tournament had he not redshirted.
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Post#1203 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Mon May 11, 2015 8:32 pm

If he's as big of a stud as it seems, he might have been enough to get that Championship.
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Post#1204 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon May 11, 2015 8:34 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:If he's as big of a stud as it seems, he might have been enough to get that Championship.


You don't take a redshirt off a guy because you think he might help you in one game at the end of the season. It's very possible UW still loses to Duke and then you end up in the exact same place but burn a year of eligibility.
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Post#1205 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Mon May 11, 2015 8:36 pm

If it's the difference between a championship and a nice season, you do. Wisconsin probably won't have that title shot for quite a while. And I was referring to having Happ all year, not just in the tournament/championship.
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Post#1206 » by chonestown » Mon May 11, 2015 8:43 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:If it's the difference between a championship and a nice season, you do. Wisconsin probably won't have that title shot for quite a while. And I was referring to having Happ all year, not just in the tournament/championship.


They were expecting more of a contribution from Brown and Dukan fell off for a good chunk of the season. If anybody was going to shed the shirt at any point of the season, it would have been Hill.
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Post#1207 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon May 11, 2015 10:22 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:If it's the difference between a championship and a nice season, you do. Wisconsin probably won't have that title shot for quite a while. And I was referring to having Happ all year, not just in the tournament/championship.



What we know is that they played for a title without him. If we knew before the season that without Happ UW plays for a championship you redshirt him 100 times out of 100. Taking a redshirt off a guy that is gonna play 8 minutes a game is something desperate programs do. He's much more valuable his fifth year than he would have been last year.
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Post#1208 » by Bernman » Mon May 11, 2015 11:30 pm

If Happ is as good as advertised, the redshirt year was meaningless, because he will be off to the NBA before year 5. When he was getting hype from such respected NBA draft analysts like Jonathan Givony, it should have been foreseeable that's what direction his career could well take.

And to act like there isn't any real difference between winning a championship and getting to one? lol Clearly a person like that was never an athlete themselves, just a nerd on a message board. Ask the actual athletes if they were crushed they didn't win it all after getting that far, or how about just looking at the tears streaming down Sam's face.
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Post#1209 » by Bernman » Mon May 11, 2015 11:31 pm

chonestown wrote:They were expecting more of a contribution from Brown and Dukan fell off for a good chunk of the season. If anybody was going to shed the shirt at any point of the season, it would have been Hill.


Hell, they both could have done it after the circumstances became even more favorable for burning their shirts.
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Post#1210 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon May 11, 2015 11:40 pm

Bernman wrote:If Happ is as good as advertised, the redshirt year was meaningless, because he will be off to the NBA before year 5. When he was getting hype from such respected NBA draft analysts like Jonathan Givony, it should have been foreseeable that's what direction his career could well take.

And to act like there isn't any real difference between winning a championship and getting to one? lol Clearly a person like that was never an athlete themselves, just a nerd on a message board. Ask the actual athletes if they were crushed they didn't win it all after getting that far, or how about just looking at the tears streaming down Sam's face.



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Post#1211 » by emunney » Tue May 12, 2015 12:00 am

Can't remember the last Badger with the kind of internal hype Happ's getting. Reminds me of how Marquette guys talked about Wade his ineligible year.
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Post#1212 » by midranger » Tue May 12, 2015 12:06 am

emunney wrote:Can't remember the last Badger with the kind of internal hype Happ's getting. Reminds me of how Marquette guys talked about Wade his ineligible year.

George Marshall got a ton of hype internally.
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Post#1213 » by tski1972 » Tue May 12, 2015 12:07 am

it was Happ's decision to redshirt, not the coaches. Bo always leaves it up to the player.
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Post#1214 » by Bernman » Tue May 12, 2015 12:41 am

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emunney wrote:Can't remember the last Badger with the kind of internal hype Happ's getting. Reminds me of how Marquette guys talked about Wade his ineligible year.

George Marshall got a ton of hype internally.


That was from a couple teammates, and kind of his assistant coach. Bo didn't heap that praise on him, let alone something like he may be the best when it's all said and done. That's crazy high praise.

And Marshall didn't get any external hype, let alone having someone like Givony say about him he was a "big time steal" ala for Happ. https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/457961984282361856

There's no valid reason for skepticism about Happ from the Marshall situation. The hype for Happ and Marshall was apples and oranges.
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Post#1215 » by Bernman » Tue May 12, 2015 12:44 am

tski1972 wrote:it was Happ's decision to redshirt, not the coaches. Bo always leaves it up to the player.


Of course the coach can largely dictate whether a player ultimately redshirts by making a case one way or another and distributing playing time accordingly early. There's little doubt Bo prefers plenty of players redshirt so he can get that year of development in early and so his teams have experience in the future. Bo always has one eye on the future, more so than a high majority of coaches. And that's mostly good, but you have to take the bad with that as well.
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Post#1216 » by wapith » Tue May 12, 2015 3:18 am

If only Happ didn't redshirt, we'd have won the championship! :roll:

I think its more likely his presence leads to Badgers failing to even make it to the championship than him being the difference in beating Duke.

Who knows what happens in any of those individual games? Maybe he commits a bad TO in the Oregon or UNC game and we end up losing... Some of those games were so tight, any small thing could have changed the result.
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Post#1217 » by xTitan » Tue May 12, 2015 3:29 am

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PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:If he's as big of a stud as it seems, he might have been enough to get that Championship.


You don't take a redshirt off a guy because you think he might help you in one game at the end of the season. It's very possible UW still loses to Duke and then you end up in the exact same place but burn a year of eligibility.


You are certifiable.....you easily burn an Average season if you can win a national championship.....history remembers winners, if Happ is the competitor everyone says he is he would have easily played last year and won the title, do you think he is going to get another chance?
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Post#1218 » by xTitan » Tue May 12, 2015 3:36 am

wapith wrote:If only Happ didn't redshirt, we'd have won the championship! :roll:

I think its more likely his presence leads to Badgers failing to even make it to the championship than him being the difference in beating Duke.

Who knows what happens in any of those individual games? Maybe he commits a bad TO in the Oregon or UNC game and we end up losing... Some of those games were so tight, any small thing could have changed the result.


You make perfect sense, adding what appears to be a very quality player, often adds losses :roll: ., this team had no back up for Frank, and this was reflected on their soft defense this past season. I remember a frosh off the bench for Duke that basically led them to a championship win
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Post#1219 » by Kerb Hohl » Tue May 12, 2015 3:51 am

The greatest hindsight argument of all. Holy moly.

First off, you have no idea how far you're going in the tournament, but now that it is in the past and we know the result, redshirting a guy was the killer. That 8 minutes he might have provided might have been the difference. I'm sure that you guys can guarantee that he'd have played a great game like zero other players on their team (almost everyone played "OK") that clammed up in the title did as well.

What a **** scorching take.

I remember Bern was begging Bo to burn the Hill redshirt when Jackson went down, which, I will bring my omnipotent hindsight take out to counter your guys' and say that not only was I right that you were overzealous about it not having any idea if Hill was better than Showalter (and it not mattering since they won almost every game until Jackson returned anyways), but I will also raise you a guaranteed loss to UNC, because Showalter was incredible in that game. And don't tell me that's a silly idea. Because it's all about making decisions based on an 8 minutes that you must have superior hindsight to know will be there.
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Post#1220 » by HaroldinGMinor » Tue May 12, 2015 3:56 am

xTitan wrote:
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PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:If he's as big of a stud as it seems, he might have been enough to get that Championship.


You don't take a redshirt off a guy because you think he might help you in one game at the end of the season. It's very possible UW still loses to Duke and then you end up in the exact same place but burn a year of eligibility.


You are certifiable.....you easily burn an Average season if you can win a national championship.....history remembers winners, if Happ is the competitor everyone says he is he would have easily played last year and won the title, do you think he is going to get another chance?



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