The Magic are picking 5th. Who you got? (First pass)

[OrlandO]

I'm posting this in here as well since the concern about Winslow's height seems to be an ongoing discussion in this thread.





For comparison


I don't see in why he's not going to be able to guard 3's.... I think people are overreacting to his measurements. Clearly a 6'10 wing span, and elite athleticism should make up for the half inch it would take to make him 6'7..The realGm mandated height for a SF....

He will probably be fine since he can defend and has length, but he clearly wore thicker shoes to get that full 2" increase documented. Don't know who he thinks he's fooling, but he's 6'6 with regular shoes.

[TreasureCoast]

Take a wing if they look like they could become an unstoppable offensive option, otherwise take a big.

Trill's defensive potential could be a real game changer the way Gobert was for Utah. and after an elite superstar scorer, i think an elite defensive presence is atop the list of priorities in ranking BPA for me.

I don't think a guy who changed his middle name to "trill" aligns with what the Magic look for in high character individuals. Plus at 5 that would be a slight reach, would want us to trade down if they really want to get "trill".

how does changing your name = bad character? has he been in trouble with the law? associated with bad people? ive seen nothing that says bad character from him

It's more of a maturity thing. It's not the biggest deal in the world but don't act like it's not a red flag and needs to be looked into with his background as with all the other draft candidates.

[tiderulz]

Between Dipo, Frye, Harris, Fournier, Herzonja, and Vucevic you'd have good shooting at every position, with a lot of good stretch potential for an offensive surge.

Dipo was not a good shooter last year.

34% from distance is well above average for sophomore guards, and his ft% is stellar. He was a very good shooter last year in context and improved in every area. He is a good shooter.

just because it is good for sophomore guards, doesnt mean it is good. Thats like saying, someone is is tall compared to midgets. it doesnt mean they are tall.

35% from 16ft to 3 pt and 34% from 3 pt is not good shooting.

[UCFJayBird]

Anyone have input on Myles Turner? Seems like the kind of target we'd like. Is #5 too much of a reach for him though?

[tiderulz]

I'm posting this in here as well since the concern about Winslow's height seems to be an ongoing discussion in this thread.





For comparison


I don't see in why he's not going to be able to guard 3's.... I think people are overreacting to his measurements. Clearly a 6'10 wing span, and elite athleticism should make up for the half inch it would take to make him 6'7..The realGm mandated height for a SF....

i dont normally take someone's measurements into account for barefoot, as they will never play barefoot, but where there is a 2" difference in the heights, how big are his shoes? and athleticism helps, until you are in the post against someone 3-5 inches taller than you

[tiderulz]

I don't think a guy who changed his middle name to "trill" aligns with what the Magic look for in high character individuals. Plus at 5 that would be a slight reach, would want us to trade down if they really want to get "trill".

how does changing your name = bad character? has he been in trouble with the law? associated with bad people? ive seen nothing that says bad character from him

It's more of a maturity thing. It's not the biggest deal in the world but don't act like it's not a red flag and needs to be looked into with his background as with all the other draft candidates.

it is not a red flag.

[OrlandO]

What's with the missing testing numbers (vert, max vert, lane agility, etc) from the combine for a lot of the projected lottery picks? Did they all decide to skip testing this year?

[eyriq]

Dipo was not a good shooter last year.

34% from distance is well above average for sophomore guards, and his ft% is stellar. He was a very good shooter last year in context and improved in every area. He is a good shooter.

just because it is good for sophomore guards, doesnt mean it is good. Thats like saying, someone is is tall compared to midgets. it doesnt mean they are tall.

35% from 16ft to 3 pt and 34% from 3 pt is not good shooting.

When you are using long-term vision to build a team it does. We aren't in win now mode, evaluating a rookie contract out of context doesn't sync with a rebuild. Nothing is wrong with saying Oladipo is a good shooter when he projects as a 39% 3 point threat in his prime.

[tiderulz]

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Dipo was not a good shooter last year.

just because it is good for sophomore guards, doesnt mean it is good. Thats like saying, someone is is tall compared to midgets. it doesnt mean they are tall.

35% from 16ft to 3 pt and 34% from 3 pt is not good shooting.

When you are using long-term vision to build a team it does. We aren't in win now mode, evaluating a rookie contract out of context doesn't sync with a rebuild. Nothing is wrong with saying Oladipo is a good shooter when he projects as a 39% 3 point threat in his prime.

what he projects to be is completely different than what he was last year. he could be a 60% shooter next year, it still wouldnt change the fact he was not a good shooter last year.

[swarlesbarkley]

Did anyone see Winslow standing next to Russell last night for the pre-lotto interview? Justise was a good 2-3 inches taller. Maybe it was his shoes, but if Russell (who is listed at 6' 5" some places) plays the 2 then Winslow definitely looked like a 3 next to him.

[OrlandoNed]

how does changing your name = bad character? has he been in trouble with the law? associated with bad people? ive seen nothing that says bad character from him

It's more of a maturity thing. It's not the biggest deal in the world but don't act like it's not a red flag and needs to be looked into with his background as with all the other draft candidates.

it is not a red flag.

It is to me. Adding a stupid hip-hop term that got made up a year or so ago to your legal, birth given name is completely immature. Who does something as major as changing your legal name to go along with a dumb fad buzzword that will quickly be replaced by the next one? Somebody who is easily influenced by stupid and trivial things.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I'm posting this in here as well since the concern about Winslow's height seems to be an ongoing discussion in this thread.





For comparison


I don't see in why he's not going to be able to guard 3's.... I think people are overreacting to his measurements. Clearly a 6'10 wing span, and elite athleticism should make up for the half inch it would take to make him 6'7..The realGm mandated height for a SF....

Winslow is built more like a guard than a forward, he is built just like Lance Stephenson

OK...... But so what? All three seem to be almost identical and Butler guards SF's all the time. Would that me that using that same logic Stanley Johnson and Jimmy Butler are built like guards then and thus shouldn't be able to guard 3's? Lance Stephenson guards SF's as well despite being "built like a guard". Maybe I don't understand why it matters.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I'm posting this in here as well since the concern about Winslow's height seems to be an ongoing discussion in this thread.





For comparison


I don't see in why he's not going to be able to guard 3's.... I think people are overreacting to his measurements. Clearly a 6'10 wing span, and elite athleticism should make up for the half inch it would take to make him 6'7..The realGm mandated height for a SF....

i dont normally take someone's measurements into account for barefoot, as they will never play barefoot, but where there is a 2" difference in the heights, how big are his shoes? and athleticism helps, until you are in the post against someone 3-5 inches taller than you

Right so obviously a 6'10 SF would be a tough cover for any "standard" sized SF But by all accounts Butler and Johnson (perceived) can effectively guard SF's.... Am I missing something or did Butler not guard SF's?

I'm posting this in here as well since the concern about Winslow's height seems to be an ongoing discussion.
He will probably be fine since he can defend and has length, but he clearly wore thicker shoes to get that full 2" increase documented. Don't know who he thinks he's fooling, but he's 6'6 with regular shoes.

Im not debating what his height is, what I'm saying is why does it matter? I think people are searching for a reason not to draft him but his ability to defend SF's isn't one of them. Plus were talking about half an inch. Johnson measured 6'5 w/o shoes 6'6.5 with and Winslow was 6'4.5 w/o 6'6.5 with. Come on... Do we need to start looking at what kind of shoes these guys have on now? He'll have little to no issue guards 2's and 3's.

[tiderulz]

It's more of a maturity thing. It's not the biggest deal in the world but don't act like it's not a red flag and needs to be looked into with his background as with all the other draft candidates.

it is not a red flag.

It is to me. Adding a stupid hip-hop term that got made up a year or so ago to your legal, birth given name is completely immature. Who does something as major as changing your legal name to go along with a dumb fad buzzword that will quickly be replaced by the next one? Somebody who is easily influenced by stupid and trivial things.

he is 22 yrs old. Go back to when you were 22. I know i was partying too much, diving off train tracks into a river, a job with no future just to pay bills. I wasnt a soon to be multi-millionaire, who also has spent time doing charity work at hospitals.

[Truth24]

Dipo can guard some three's as well doesn't mean we should put him at the 3, Winslow is a guard nothing wrong with that all.

Just for more measure RJ Hunter and Delon Wright both are 6'4.5 without shoes and have similar/same wing spans and both are considered guards.

[OrlandoNed]

it is not a red flag.

It is to me. Adding a stupid hip-hop term that got made up a year or so ago to your legal, birth given name is completely immature. Who does something as major as changing your legal name to go along with a dumb fad buzzword that will quickly be replaced by the next one? Somebody who is easily influenced by stupid and trivial things.

he is 22 yrs old. Go back to when you were 22. I know i was partying too much, diving off train tracks into a river, a job with no future just to pay bills. I wasnt a soon to be multi-millionaire, who also has spent time doing charity work at hospitals.

Changing your legal name to include Trill is like tattooing your face. If you were an employer at a decent place of employment for a position that involves customer interaction, would you hire somebody with tattoos and piercings all over their face?

[Bigmagicfan82]

It's more of a maturity thing. It's not the biggest deal in the world but don't act like it's not a red flag and needs to be looked into with his background as with all the other draft candidates.

it is not a red flag.

It is to me. Adding a stupid hip-hop term that got made up a year or so ago to your legal, birth given name is completely immature. Who does something as major as changing your legal name to go along with a dumb fad buzzword that will quickly be replaced by the next one? Somebody who is easily influenced by stupid and trivial things.

Oh you mean like how Maybyner Rodney Hilario when by his nickname Nene and then legally changed his name to Nene. Yeah, he turn out terrible didn't he. With judgment calls like that you wouldn't have a job as a GM for long. Who cares what his name is what matters is what he can do.

[OrlandoNed]

it is not a red flag.

It is to me. Adding a stupid hip-hop term that got made up a year or so ago to your legal, birth given name is completely immature. Who does something as major as changing your legal name to go along with a dumb fad buzzword that will quickly be replaced by the next one? Somebody who is easily influenced by stupid and trivial things.

Oh you mean like how Maybyner Rodney Hilario when by his nickname Nene and then legally changed his name to Nene. Yeah, he turn out terrible didn't he. With judgment calls like that you wouldn't have a job as a GM for long. Who cares what his name is what matters is what he can do.

He changed his name after he was drafted. Denver was already stuck with him when it happened.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Dipo can guard some three's as well doesn't mean we should put him at the 3, Winslow is a guard nothing wrong with that all.

Just for more measure RJ Hunter and Delon Wright both are 6'4.5 without shoes and have similar/same wing spans and both are considered guards.

Oladipo is 6'3 w/o shoes and 6'4.5 with, I think there is a clear difference here. Obviously he can come out on the perimeter and guard SF's but ideally he's a SG. RJ Hunter is 185 and Delon Wright is 181 THOSE are guys who are built like guards. Winslow is 222 and Johnson is 242. They have the weight and strength to guard 3's more effectively while also possessing the athleticism to guard SG's that's why they're not projected to go in the high 20's-low 30's like RJ and Delon are. It's not really an issue I just don't get why suddenly there was this concern that he couldn't guard SF based on his height when he clearly can.

[Nyce_1]

The thing about WCS is you know he's not going to be a bust....but by the same account you also know he's not going to be a star. You aren't drafting a franchise cornerstone max player...but you are drafting someone who will be in the rotation and give you solid minutes from the get go.

To me he looks like Tyson Chandler 2.0...if he's that good I dont think anyone would be upset about taking him at 5.

none of these prospects have definite potential. WCS can be just as much of a bust as anyone or as good of a player as anyone. Total crap shoot.