With the 4th pick in the NBA draft, the New York Knicks select...

[Grover]

... for another team drafting lower while acquiring additional assets, only to repeat the feat and move down a few more picks and draft Myles Turner who becomes a top three player in future redrafts. They are appropriately called lottery picks and it is the only time of year GM's are easily hoodwinked in to overpaying for potential that far too often does not materialize. Jackson will never spend a high pick on a point guard for a system that marginalizes the position. If Jackson sticks at four and Okafor drops he would likely be the pick but Jackson will go Euro or Winslow if faced with a choice between Mudlay or Russell.

[SparksFly87]

Check out my draft day trade proposal from the 76ers in your trade forum section.

[EMG518]

Karl Towns isnt an option in the poll. I have the Twolves taking Okafor, Lakers taking Mudiay, 76ers taking Russel, Knicks taking Towns.

[Marty McFly]

What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

the only thing that works in theory would be including the lakers and melo into the conversation. something like melo to la, the 2nd pick and randle to Minnesota and the first pick to the knicks.

This is what we need to be doing right now however, lining up aggressive moves to land a top 3 pick in this draft and then build around them... multi-team deals are required and we should be working the phones aggressively as soon as we can... before that I would have my war room in full swing lining up plan a-z and I would be tracking movement as soon as the action (trades and free agency start) knocking them off the board as the chips fall into place.

When I say aggressive I mean extremely aggressive, we swing for the fences on this one.

It is time.

It makes all the sense in the world, but you've got too many people here who deal with their hearts and too many people in the knick FO who think with their wallets. It doesn't get more obvious than this.

[skywalker33]

At #4, the Knicks select C Willie Cauley-Stein .....Phil misses.. er, makes his mark

[vallen]

What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

the only thing that works in theory would be including the lakers and melo into the conversation. something like melo to la, the 2nd pick and randle to Minnesota and the first pick to the knicks.

This is what we need to be doing right now however, lining up aggressive moves to land a top 3 pick in this draft and then build around them... multi-team deals are required and we should be working the phones aggressively as soon as we can... before that I would have my war room in full swing lining up plan a-z and I would be tracking movement as soon as the action (trades and free agency start) knocking them off the board as the chips fall into place.

When I say aggressive I mean extremely aggressive, we swing for the fences on this one.

It is time.

we dont even have a bat to swing with. Melos got a trade clause, and we dont have anybody else. Then you look at everyone elses war-room and they look like marines compared to our national guards.

Melo and LA dictate there futures. we hope and pray it helps us...thats not much to work with.

[GONYK]

the only thing that works in theory would be including the lakers and melo into the conversation. something like melo to la, the 2nd pick and randle to Minnesota and the first pick to the knicks.

This is what we need to be doing right now however, lining up aggressive moves to land a top 3 pick in this draft and then build around them... multi-team deals are required and we should be working the phones aggressively as soon as we can... before that I would have my war room in full swing lining up plan a-z and I would be tracking movement as soon as the action (trades and free agency start) knocking them off the board as the chips fall into place.

When I say aggressive I mean extremely aggressive, we swing for the fences on this one.

It is time.

we dont even have a bat to swing with. Melos got a trade clause, and we dont have anybody else. Then you look at everyone elses war-room and they look like marines compared to our national guards.

Melo and LA dictate there futures. we hope and pray it helps us...thats not much to work with.

[Context]

I have no idea lol

[Thorn]

This is what we need to be doing right now however, lining up aggressive moves to land a top 3 pick in this draft and then build around them... multi-team deals are required and we should be working the phones aggressively as soon as we can... before that I would have my war room in full swing lining up plan a-z and I would be tracking movement as soon as the action (trades and free agency start) knocking them off the board as the chips fall into place.

When I say aggressive I mean extremely aggressive, we swing for the fences on this one.

It is time.

we dont even have a bat to swing with. Melos got a trade clause, and we dont have anybody else. Then you look at everyone elses war-room and they look like marines compared to our national guards.

Melo and LA dictate there futures. we hope and pray it helps us...thats not much to work with.

Well how much more do you think the number two pick in the draft is worth above and beyond Melo? I do not see people throwing a player of Melo's talent and ability at the 2nd pick AND throwing in a lot besides. All we really need is Melo, even years later after we gave up the farm for Melo he has high value to a contending team or a team looking to win now. The trick is finding the right trade partner.

Mitch stated he would trade the pick for the right player if it meant winning now.

I am not overvaluing Melo, I am saying a veteran scorer like Melo on the Lakers with Kobe and say Love is a great start to a contender who can "Win Now" as per Mitch's edict in the most recent article about his willingness to trade the 2nd overall pick.

As for the no trade clause, I do not personally think Melo would complain about leaving New York for LA.

"Hey Melo we are going to rebuild with youth we are not looking to contend now, LA wants you and are willing to accept you in a trade for the number 2 pick so you can chase a ring with Kobe and whomever else they line up"

That is unappealing how? His time in NY has been a disaster and he needs a vocal leader on the team he plays on and there is no more vocal player than Kobe in the league...

[Juggynaut]

Wouldn't we have to take on Kobe's contract to make a Melo trade work?

[Marty McFly]

Wouldn't we have to take on Kobe's contract to make a Melo trade work?

we don't have to, but we could if we wanted to give them more capspace to play with. basically, melo's would replacing kobe's salary. they could potential sign love and gasol too.

[moocow007]

Wouldn't we have to take on Kobe's contract to make a Melo trade work?

we don't have too, but we could if we wanted to give them more capspace to play with. basically, melo's would replacing kobe's salary. they could potential sign love and gasol too.

Jackson abruptly quits and rejoins the Lakers as the head coach, GM and VP. Knicks bring back Isiah Thomas.

[Marty McFly]

we dont even have a bat to swing with. Melos got a trade clause, and we dont have anybody else. Then you look at everyone elses war-room and they look like marines compared to our national guards.

Melo and LA dictate there futures. we hope and pray it helps us...thats not much to work with.

Well how much more do you think the number two pick in the draft is worth above and beyond Melo? I do not see people throwing a player of Melo's talent and ability at the 2nd pick AND throwing in a lot besides. All we really need is Melo, even years later after we gave up the farm for Melo he has high value to a contending team or a team looking to win now. The trick is finding the right trade partner.

Mitch stated he would trade the pick for the right player if it meant winning now.

I am not overvaluing Melo, I am saying a veteran scorer like Melo on the Lakers with Kobe and say Love is a great start to a contender who can "Win Now" as per Mitch's edict in the most recent article about his willingness to trade the 2nd overall pick.

As for the no trade clause, I do not personally think Melo would complain about leaving New York for LA.

"Hey Melo we are going to rebuild with youth we are not looking to contend now, LA wants you and are willing to accept you in a trade for the number 2 pick so you can chase a ring with Kobe and whomever else they line up"

That is unappealing how? His time in NY has been a disaster and he needs a vocal leader on the team he plays on and there is no more vocal player than Kobe in the league...

melo lives in la during the summer. kobe is one of his best friends, melo getting traded to the lakers isn't a problem. in fact, its the only team (well, the lakers and the clippers) he'd waive the ntc for.

[Marty McFly]

Wouldn't we have to take on Kobe's contract to make a Melo trade work?

we don't have too, but we could if we wanted to give them more capspace to play with. basically, melo's would replacing kobe's salary. they could potential sign love and gasol too.

Jackson abruptly quits and rejoins the Lakers as the head coach, GM and VP.

i like phil, but i wouldn't be upset at that.

edit: absolute **** no to zeke though. the horror.

[newyorker4ever]

At #4, the Knicks select C Willie Cauley-Stein .....Phil misses.. er, makes his mark

Well i'll say for sure that WCS won't be a miss, he might not be a star all around center but he'll be a great defensive center. I'd rather be able to trade down a couple of spots to get him cause #4 is a little high for him but he's definitely not a miss.

[Indeed]

Coming from the Raptors board.

I am not surprised drafting WCS at #4 as a trade bait. I think he has the best value after the top 3.
It may take time to develop WCS, and without future picks, I think trading for valuable players maybe a better way. Perhaps work on a S&T for Marc Gasol if Memphis decides not to pay that much in salary.

[newyorker4ever]

we dont even have a bat to swing with. Melos got a trade clause, and we dont have anybody else. Then you look at everyone elses war-room and they look like marines compared to our national guards.

Melo and LA dictate there futures. we hope and pray it helps us...thats not much to work with.

Well how much more do you think the number two pick in the draft is worth above and beyond Melo? I do not see people throwing a player of Melo's talent and ability at the 2nd pick AND throwing in a lot besides. All we really need is Melo, even years later after we gave up the farm for Melo he has high value to a contending team or a team looking to win now. The trick is finding the right trade partner.

Mitch stated he would trade the pick for the right player if it meant winning now.

I am not overvaluing Melo, I am saying a veteran scorer like Melo on the Lakers with Kobe and say Love is a great start to a contender who can "Win Now" as per Mitch's edict in the most recent article about his willingness to trade the 2nd overall pick.

As for the no trade clause, I do not personally think Melo would complain about leaving New York for LA.

"Hey Melo we are going to rebuild with youth we are not looking to contend now, LA wants you and are willing to accept you in a trade for the number 2 pick so you can chase a ring with Kobe and whomever else they line up"

That is unappealing how? His time in NY has been a disaster and he needs a vocal leader on the team he plays on and there is no more vocal player than Kobe in the league...

It's amazing how you keep deciding to waste your breath on a Melo trade and that you can't see that it isn't happening. The only way Melo gets traded is after two more years he doesn't see the Knicks as a team that can compete every year then and only then i can see him going to Phil and talking about trading him to the place of his choice.

[ImChillin01]

Mudiay is getting snatched up at 3 so I'm pretty sure we're getting Russel.

I think Sixer's may put a higher value on Russell's shooting since they lack shooter in the team. Russell might help their spacing earlier on.

The Sixers gm is a psycho on a mission. He will draft Mudiay, based on his upside, hoping he's a generational player. After watching him play, then sifting through his arcane advanced analytical stuff, he will let him either quickly become a superstar or dump him for a first and tank again.

If he drafts Muiday its because he thinks its BPA, not because hes psycho on mission smh. He dumped MCW because he got great value for him and didn't think MCW would improve his jumpshot and was already 23 which is kind of old for sophomore. Funny thing is 76ers got better when MCW was traded, Ish Smith played much better than MCW.

[Iron Mantis]

I think Sixer's may put a higher value on Russell's shooting since they lack shooter in the team. Russell might help their spacing earlier on.

The Sixers gm is a psycho on a mission. He will draft Mudiay, based on his upside, hoping he's a generational player. After watching him play, then sifting through his arcane advanced analytical stuff, he will let him either quickly become a superstar or dump him for a first and tank again.

If he drafts Muiday its because he thinks its BPA, not because hes psycho on mission smh. He dumped MCW because he got great value for him and didn't think MCW would improve his jumpshot and was already 23 which is kind of old for sophomore. Funny thing is 76ers got better when MCW was traded, Ish Smith played much better than MCW.

This is the Knick's board. I don't care to debate with a Raptor's fan about what the Sixer's are doing. What the heck? You're not even a Sixers fan, and trying to explain Sam Hinkie's thinking to me. Would you like me to show you the door?

[Worst_to_First]

Karl Towns isnt an option in the poll. I have the Twolves taking Okafor, Lakers taking Mudiay, 76ers taking Russel, Knicks taking Towns.

Wish you were right but Towns is not getting past the Lakers at #2. Phil will have to find a way to trade for #1 if KAT is really his guy.