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Political Roundtable - Part VI

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Post#1861 » by popper » Tue May 26, 2015 8:50 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Quote the Bible all you want. I will throw down with you over any topic, any source. You feel bad because I threw the Bible back in your face? YOU SHOULD.

Go back and read the Bible more carefully and maybe you won't get your rhetorical butt kicked next time.


I'll pray for you Zonk. Your posts are consistently so angry that I'm worried you'll have a heart attack if you don't soon find some inner peace. Sincerely, I hope you can chill out before your anger effects your health.
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Post#1862 » by Benjammin » Tue May 26, 2015 9:07 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Quote the Bible all you want. I will throw down with you over any topic, any source. You feel bad because I threw the Bible back in your face? YOU SHOULD.

Go back and read the Bible more carefully and maybe you won't get your rhetorical butt kicked next time.


I hear Xanax is cheaper now and a heck of a drug for some people. :-)
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Post#1863 » by queridiculo » Tue May 26, 2015 9:14 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:I can't speak for zonker, but I'm fine with folks quoting from the Bible. I do find it interesting how often those quotes are used to condemn people for certain behaviors vs. stuff Jesus preached about loving, forgiving, not judging, etc.


This times a million.

Blows my mind.
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Post#1865 » by dckingsfan » Wed May 27, 2015 10:55 am

At the heart of a ruling is a finding that the president laid down a blanket rule that confers benefits; he did not merely announce a decision to refrain from enforcement on a case-by-case basis. The court found: “DAPA modifies substantive rights and interests—conferring lawful presence on 500,000 illegal aliens in Texas forces the state to choose between spending millions of dollars to subsidize driver’s licenses and changing its law.” In rebuking the administration and adhering to a nationwide injunction, the court affirms critics’ argument that the president overstepped his legal authority. It is a victory for the rule of law and executive restraint. “I think it is unlikely that five justices of the Supreme Court will lift the stay and allow the administration to proceed prior to the district court’s final ruling on the merits,” Gaziano says. “Thus, it is quite possible the DAPA program will remain enjoined for the remainder of Obama’s presidency.”
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Post#1866 » by nate33 » Wed May 27, 2015 1:26 pm

dckingsfan wrote:At the heart of a ruling is a finding that the president laid down a blanket rule that confers benefits; he did not merely announce a decision to refrain from enforcement on a case-by-case basis. The court found: “DAPA modifies substantive rights and interests—conferring lawful presence on 500,000 illegal aliens in Texas forces the state to choose between spending millions of dollars to subsidize driver’s licenses and changing its law.” In rebuking the administration and adhering to a nationwide injunction, the court affirms critics’ argument that the president overstepped his legal authority. It is a victory for the rule of law and executive restraint. “I think it is unlikely that five justices of the Supreme Court will lift the stay and allow the administration to proceed prior to the district court’s final ruling on the merits,” Gaziano says. “Thus, it is quite possible the DAPA program will remain enjoined for the remainder of Obama’s presidency.”

Hooray for a judge with some actual courage!
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Post#1867 » by dckingsfan » Wed May 27, 2015 1:40 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:At the heart of a ruling is a finding that the president laid down a blanket rule that confers benefits; he did not merely announce a decision to refrain from enforcement on a case-by-case basis. The court found: “DAPA modifies substantive rights and interests—conferring lawful presence on 500,000 illegal aliens in Texas forces the state to choose between spending millions of dollars to subsidize driver’s licenses and changing its law.” In rebuking the administration and adhering to a nationwide injunction, the court affirms critics’ argument that the president overstepped his legal authority. It is a victory for the rule of law and executive restraint. “I think it is unlikely that five justices of the Supreme Court will lift the stay and allow the administration to proceed prior to the district court’s final ruling on the merits,” Gaziano says. “Thus, it is quite possible the DAPA program will remain enjoined for the remainder of Obama’s presidency.”

Hooray for a judge with some actual courage!

What will be interesting is the ACA judgment... that one is going to set-up some interesting politics.
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Post#1868 » by popper » Wed May 27, 2015 3:42 pm

I read more and more that if Bloomberg enters the race he would give Hillary one hell of a fight, and if he defeats her, stand a good chance of becoming the next President. It would make the Democratic primary much more interesting to follow.
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Post#1869 » by Induveca » Wed May 27, 2015 6:59 pm

Being an NYC guy, if Bloomberg runs I'd be excited. Billionaire or not, he did a damn fine job running NYC and shutting down special interests. Hard to bribe a guy worth a few billion with speaker circuit, book or other gigs post presidency.
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Post#1870 » by crackhed » Wed May 27, 2015 11:12 pm

popper wrote:I read more and more that if Bloomberg enters the race he would give Hillary one hell of a fight, and if he defeats her, stand a good chance of becoming the next President. It would make the Democratic primary much more interesting to follow.

or anyone without a dead body in their trunk. interesting to watch how political correctness is shutting out the rest of the democratic field - despite the obvious lack of trust for her. we'll see how long it lasts - prob all the way 2 the white house
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Post#1871 » by JWizmentality » Wed May 27, 2015 11:49 pm

DCZards wrote:I'm fine with folks quoting the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita or whatever scripture they believe in. Because the essential message of all of them is our Oneness.


Again, that's open to interpretation. :D

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Post#1872 » by dobrojim » Thu May 28, 2015 5:03 pm

Google history unfolding kristol on Iraq.

No one, ever, under any circumstances, should give any authority or credence to anything this man says. He's correct less often than the proverbial broken clock.
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Post#1873 » by nate33 » Thu May 28, 2015 5:20 pm

dobrojim wrote:Google history unfolding kristol on Iraq.

No one, ever, under any circumstances, should give any authority or credence to anything this man says. He's correct less often than the proverbial broken clock.

I don't know how that man became associated with conservatives. There's nothing conservative about him.
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Post#1874 » by dobrojim » Thu May 28, 2015 10:03 pm

nate33 wrote:
dobrojim wrote:Google history unfolding kristol on Iraq.

No one, ever, under any circumstances, should give any authority or credence to anything this man says. He's correct less often than the proverbial broken clock.

I don't know how that man became associated with conservatives. There's nothing conservative about him.

I tend to agree with you but you can rest assured he does not. Probably just another instance of him being wrong.
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Post#1875 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:04 pm

Is this an infringement on free speech? Or an important lesson in consequences for a college student?

http://www.npr.org/2015/06/02/411186666 ... ution-laws

TL;DR - An oil pipeline protester/college student locks himself to a truck, preventing progress in oil pipeline construction. Fire department comes and cuts him loose - he holds up the pipeline construction for 90 minutes. Is charged with trespassing, but also fined by the amount of value of all the business he held up while protesting.

When I first heard this I was furious, but on the other hand I think there are more productive channels. Shutting down a construction business that's just trying to do their jobs is just mean spirited. Unless those guys are actively spilling oil everywhere you might be better off trying to contribute to lobbying efforts to tighten oil pipeline regulations.

OTOH I come from a long line of Communist hippies who used to chain themselves to nuclear reactors, and I protest that this hallowed tradition is being shot down by dirty capitalists in tophats.
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Post#1876 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:41 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Is this an infringement on free speech? Or an important lesson in consequences for a college student?

http://www.npr.org/2015/06/02/411186666 ... ution-laws

TL;DR - An oil pipeline protester/college student locks himself to a truck, preventing progress in oil pipeline construction. Fire department comes and cuts him loose - he holds up the pipeline construction for 90 minutes. Is charged with trespassing, but also fined by the amount of value of all the business he held up while protesting.

When I first heard this I was furious, but on the other hand I think there are more productive channels. Shutting down a construction business that's just trying to do their jobs is just mean spirited. Unless those guys are actively spilling oil everywhere you might be better off trying to contribute to lobbying efforts to tighten oil pipeline regulations.

OTOH I come from a long line of Communist hippies who used to chain themselves to nuclear reactors, and I protest that this hallowed tradition is being shot down by dirty capitalists in tophats.


Interesting - it kind of moves that type of protest away from active business activities. The protesters will need to become more creative in targeting the company that they don't like.
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Post#1877 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:47 pm

Interesting article in the WSJ titled: Best Poverty Cure: Escape From Baltimore

Kind of supports Induveca position.

The Harvard study identifies Baltimore as the city where the odds are most stacked against a child’s escaping poverty. Mr. Kotkin says his center’s study underscores “the relative worthlessness of good intentions.”

Pretty slanted against progressives - but if you cut through that - probably best for a poor person from Baltimore to just leave.
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Post#1878 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Jun 2, 2015 4:27 pm

Just had a talk from Ricardo Hausman about "networks" the other day and how each person's productivity is determined not just by their level of education but their access to networks of people who can do stuff they can't.

Kind of leads to uncomfortable questions, like, is the best way to reduce poverty is try to increase a certain poor villages access to the outside world? Or move as many people in that village out to where there are more networks? You almost inevitably have to conclude the latter.

Which is something I knew already. The development story for the last hundred years has been, poor people moved to the city where the jobs are. In countries where cities were generating high skilled jobs, poverty has decreased.

Most development projects in rural areas are a complete waste of time. The only one that makes sense is land reform, which makes it easier to sell your land and use that money to move to the city.
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Post#1879 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jun 2, 2015 6:59 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Just had a talk from Ricardo Hausman about "networks" the other day and how each person's productivity is determined not just by their level of education but their access to networks of people who can do stuff they can't.

Kind of leads to uncomfortable questions, like, is the best way to reduce poverty is try to increase a certain poor villages access to the outside world? Or move as many people in that village out to where there are more networks? You almost inevitably have to conclude the latter.

Which is something I knew already. The development story for the last hundred years has been, poor people moved to the city where the jobs are. In countries where cities were generating high skilled jobs, poverty has decreased.

Most development projects in rural areas are a complete waste of time. The only one that makes sense is land reform, which makes it easier to sell your land and use that money to move to the city.


Thinking about this - you can see where the #1 place for cities/states to put their $$s is into education. And it behooves this city/states to have real completion for the education $$s.

I think the city/states that are going to do the best going forward are those that are most forward thinking in this area.
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Post#1880 » by gtn130 » Tue Jun 2, 2015 7:33 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Is this an infringement on free speech? Or an important lesson in consequences for a college student?

http://www.npr.org/2015/06/02/411186666 ... ution-laws

TL;DR - An oil pipeline protester/college student locks himself to a truck, preventing progress in oil pipeline construction. Fire department comes and cuts him loose - he holds up the pipeline construction for 90 minutes. Is charged with trespassing, but also fined by the amount of value of all the business he held up while protesting.

When I first heard this I was furious, but on the other hand I think there are more productive channels. Shutting down a construction business that's just trying to do their jobs is just mean spirited. Unless those guys are actively spilling oil everywhere you might be better off trying to contribute to lobbying efforts to tighten oil pipeline regulations.

OTOH I come from a long line of Communist hippies who used to chain themselves to nuclear reactors, and I protest that this hallowed tradition is being shot down by dirty capitalists in tophats.


Furious about what? Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can trespass and prevent a business from operating. I don't have strong feelings about the pipeline either way (I don't know enough about the environmental consequences/economic benefit), but I definitely think someone materially burdening everyone around them should be punished accordingly.

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