The Magic are picking 5th. Who you got? (First pass)

glennathan · Post #721 » by **glennathan** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 12:02 am

I think Rob goes with Winslow at 5th and trades him later in the draft.

Sixteen · Post #722 » by **Sixteen** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 12:09 am

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Nyce_1 wrote:
Lurk Nowitzki wrote:You guys are going to have a really nice team. Where does Dipo fit in with the team's plans? I think he has a really bright future in this league. Underrated prospect for sure. Adding the 5th pick to a core of Voosh, Payton, and Dipo is going to be fun to watch. Magic will be one of my LP teams next season.

Thanks, Dipo is our starting SG now and into the future.

Sweet. Also forgot about Gordon. What's his position in this league? What are Magic fans realistic expectations for him?

Orlwillbeback · Post #723 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 12:32 am

Lurk Nowitzki wrote:[Vine][/Vine]
Nyce_1 wrote:
Lurk Nowitzki wrote:You guys are going to have a really nice team. Where does Dipo fit in with the team's plans? I think he has a really bright future in this league. Underrated prospect for sure. Adding the 5th pick to a core of Voosh, Payton, and Dipo is going to be fun to watch. Magic will be one of my LP teams next season.

Thanks, Dipo is our starting SG now and into the future.

Sweet. Also forgot about Gordon. What's his position in this league? What are Magic fans realistic expectations for him?

Hes a combo forward. My expectation is kind of a draymond green type player if he develops a jumper. If he never learns how to shoot then hell just be a defensive role player.

Nyce_1 · Post #724 » by **Nyce_1** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 1:33 am

Lurk Nowitzki wrote:[Vine][/Vine]
Nyce_1 wrote:
Lurk Nowitzki wrote:You guys are going to have a really nice team. Where does Dipo fit in with the team's plans? I think he has a really bright future in this league. Underrated prospect for sure. Adding the 5th pick to a core of Voosh, Payton, and Dipo is going to be fun to watch. Magic will be one of my LP teams next season.

Thanks, Dipo is our starting SG now and into the future.

Sweet. Also forgot about Gordon. What's his position in this league? What are Magic fans realistic expectations for him?

AG is definitely a core piece too. I picture him becoming something like Marion with better & prettier mechanics on his shot, as his best case scenario. Low end, he'll at least be a Gerald Wallace. But at 19 yrs old, still a lot of room for growth. As far as his position, he can play both forward spots but we'll see what management things after the draft. If we go big, that can indicate the FO sees Gordon as SF. If we go wing in the draft, FO sees Gordon more as a PF. Regardless, he will likely be a bench player next year and year after, unless Skiles is very impressed with his defense.

Neon1 · Post #725 » by **Neon1** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 3:49 am

Nyce_1 wrote:
Lurk Nowitzki wrote:[Vine][/Vine]
Nyce_1 wrote:Thanks, Dipo is our starting SG now and into the future.

Sweet. Also forgot about Gordon. What's his position in this league? What are Magic fans realistic expectations for him?

AG is definitely a core piece too. I picture him becoming something like Marion with better & prettier mechanics on his shot, as his best case scenario. Low end, he'll at least be a Gerald Wallace. But at 19 yrs old, still a lot of room for growth. As far as his position, he can play both forward spots but we'll see what management things after the draft. If we go big, that can indicate the FO sees Gordon as SF. If we go wing in the draft, FO sees Gordon more as a PF. Regardless, he will likely be a bench player next year and year after, unless Skiles is very impressed with his defense.

I don't see how us drafting a PF or SF tells us what position the FO sees AG as.

seeingstars · Post #726 » by **seeingstars** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:07 am

Neon1 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
Lurk Nowitzki wrote:[Vine][/Vine]

Sweet. Also forgot about Gordon. What's his position in this league? What are Magic fans realistic expectations for him?

AG is definitely a core piece too. I picture him becoming something like Marion with better & prettier mechanics on his shot, as his best case scenario. Low end, he'll at least be a Gerald Wallace. But at 19 yrs old, still a lot of room for growth. As far as his position, he can play both forward spots but we'll see what management things after the draft. If we go big, that can indicate the FO sees Gordon as SF. If we go wing in the draft, FO sees Gordon more as a PF. Regardless, he will likely be a bench player next year and year after, unless Skiles is very impressed with his defense.

I don't see how us drafting a PF or SF tells us what position the FO sees AG as.

I think most of us wondering what position he'll mostly play has us grasping at straws. Assuming that whomever we draft each year becomes a starter then its the process of elimination for position and I've found myself thinking the same thing but at the end of the day anyone can be benched so there's no telling. We all want a crystal ball though.

OrlandoDream · Post #727 » by **OrlandoDream** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:18 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:I'm all for being a nice guy, but I also want some dogs on the team. Some killers. This is basketball, not a tea party.

Bobby Portis is your man.

MagicStarwipe · Post #728 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:51 am

I continue to fail to see why people want to see AG defending and banging with PF's in the post where that's not his strength, when he looks to be clearly the best perimeter defender on the team.

Anti Chalmers · Post #729 » by **Anti Chalmers** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:53 am

I'm starting to like WCS more and more

pogiro · Post #730 » by **pogiro** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:02 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:I continue to fail to see why people want to see AG defending and banging with PF's in the post where that's not his strength, when he looks to be clearly the best perimeter defender on the team.

Indeed. I'm not saying AG can't become a PF if he bulks up and develops a PF game, but that's not where he is now. He's a SF and he can excel there. Why we keep getting these young guys and aim to turn them into something they're not is beyond me.

Nyce_1 · Post #731 » by **Nyce_1** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:04 am

Neon1 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
Lurk Nowitzki wrote:[Vine][/Vine]

Sweet. Also forgot about Gordon. What's his position in this league? What are Magic fans realistic expectations for him?

AG is definitely a core piece too. I picture him becoming something like Marion with better & prettier mechanics on his shot, as his best case scenario. Low end, he'll at least be a Gerald Wallace. But at 19 yrs old, still a lot of room for growth. As far as his position, he can play both forward spots but we'll see what management things after the draft. If we go big, that can indicate the FO sees Gordon as SF. If we go wing in the draft, FO sees Gordon more as a PF. Regardless, he will likely be a bench player next year and year after, unless Skiles is very impressed with his defense.

I don't see how us drafting a PF or SF tells us what position the FO sees AG as.

do you think they'd draft a PF with #5 if they project AG to be our PF of the future? or do you think they'd draft a SF if they project AG to be our SF of the future? why use another high pick on the same position? Someone's growth will take the hit.

majortom71 · Post #732 » by **majortom71** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:09 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:I continue to fail to see why people want to see AG defending and banging with PF's in the post where that's not his strength, when he looks to be clearly the best perimeter defender on the team.

I don't know maybe because dude is 6'9" and he probably fits better as a PF. He needs to do the strength and conditioning required to play that position and fit that bill. He should ideally be able to play both SF and PF positions but It'd be good if he did fit the 4 position and allowed the Magic to draft Johnson or Winslow for the 3 spot.
I am not sure of many 6'9 players playing the SF position if you can clue me in on that, I'd appreciate it.

pogiro · Post #733 » by **pogiro** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:16 am

majortom71 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:I continue to fail to see why people want to see AG defending and banging with PF's in the post where that's not his strength, when he looks to be clearly the best perimeter defender on the team.

I don't know maybe because dude is 6'9" and he probably fits better as a PF. He needs to do the strength and conditioning required to play that position and fit that bill. He should ideally be able to play both SF and PF positions but It'd be good if he did fit the 4 position and allowed the Magic to draft Johnson or Winslow for the 3 spot.
I am not sure of many 6'9 players playing the SF position if you can clue me in on that, I'd appreciate it.

Chandler Parsons, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Josh Smith...

Most SF's are 6'8", so.... really? 6'9" is what makes him a PF? His skill set is a SF's skill set. He can bulk up all he wants, but he'll need to change his game a good bit to be what we need him to be to play PF next to Vucevic.

MagicStarwipe · Post #734 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:22 am

majortom71 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:I continue to fail to see why people want to see AG defending and banging with PF's in the post where that's not his strength, when he looks to be clearly the best perimeter defender on the team.

I don't know maybe because dude is 6'9" and he probably fits better as a PF. He needs to do the strength and conditioning required to play that position and fit that bill. He should ideally be able to play both SF and PF positions but It'd be good if he did fit the 4 position and allowed the Magic to draft Johnson or Winslow for the 3 spot.
I am not sure of many 6'9 players playing the SF position if you can clue me in on that, I'd appreciate it.

Just below 6'9". Most SF's are between 6'7" and 6'9". But then you have guys like Durant and Giannis who are over 6'10". And I say it again, why would you want your best perimeter defender not defending on the perimeter? The AG at PF talk comes mostly because it would be the most convenient thing with the makeup of our roster currently. Lack of shooting from the 1 & 2. Lack of defense on the interior. But wishful thinking does not make him a PF. He is what he is.

majortom71 · Post #735 » by **majortom71** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:48 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:
majortom71 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:I continue to fail to see why people want to see AG defending and banging with PF's in the post where that's not his strength, when he looks to be clearly the best perimeter defender on the team.

I don't know maybe because dude is 6'9" and he probably fits better as a PF. He needs to do the strength and conditioning required to play that position and fit that bill. He should ideally be able to play both SF and PF positions but It'd be good if he did fit the 4 position and allowed the Magic to draft Johnson or Winslow for the 3 spot.
I am not sure of many 6'9 players playing the SF position if you can clue me in on that, I'd appreciate it.

Just below 6'9". Most SF's are between 6'7" and 6'9". But then you have guys like Durant and Giannis who are over 6'10". And I say it again, why would you want your best perimeter defender not defending on the perimeter? The AG at PF talk comes mostly because it would be the most convenient thing with the makeup of our roster currently. Lack of shooting from the 1 & 2. Lack of defense on the interior. But wishful thinking does not make him a PF. He is what he is.

Yes it's convenience, as I mentioned he should ideally play both positions. If he does play the 3 then offensively he could be a liability. I can see him getting stronger and adjusting to play the 4. Magic would then draft for a 3 (Winslow or Johnson) and you have your core setup.
I guess if AG does get assigned to the 3 spot then you'd probably have to draft a 4 which would probably be WCS. The problem with this would just be scoring, which can be another problem altogether.

majortom71 · Post #736 » by **majortom71** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:49 am

pogiro wrote:
majortom71 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:I continue to fail to see why people want to see AG defending and banging with PF's in the post where that's not his strength, when he looks to be clearly the best perimeter defender on the team.

I don't know maybe because dude is 6'9" and he probably fits better as a PF. He needs to do the strength and conditioning required to play that position and fit that bill. He should ideally be able to play both SF and PF positions but It'd be good if he did fit the 4 position and allowed the Magic to draft Johnson or Winslow for the 3 spot.
I am not sure of many 6'9 players playing the SF position if you can clue me in on that, I'd appreciate it.

Chandler Parsons, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Josh Smith...

Most SF's are 6'8", so.... really? 6'9" is what makes him a PF? His skill set is a SF's skill set. He can bulk up all he wants, but he'll need to change his game a good bit to be what we need him to be to play PF next to Vucevic.

I believe Melo and Smith can play both 3 and 4 spots, which I can see Ag doing. But thanks for the info seems like more than I thought there were.

ivDT · Post #737 » by **ivDT** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 6:19 am

never mind that grooming a.g. to play the 4 makes no sense for his personal development as a player, it doesn't make sense for the team, either.

we need a rim protecter at the 4. we've not seen anything from aaron to suggest that he'd be effective in that role. when it comes to aaron playing the 4, all we can do is speculate on what sort of defender he might become if he bulks up, a development that might actually diminish the defensive talents we already know about.

we already know he has the tools to be a damn good perimeter defender. it just seems crazy to me that we would draft the kid knowing this and then turn around and groom him into a power forward. especially if we end up drafting someone like wcs, porzingis or turner in this upcoming draft, all of whom would be much more natural fits at the 4 than a bulked up 6'8 aaron gordon.

Patrick1978 · Post #738 » by **Patrick1978** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 2:44 pm

OrlandoDream wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:I'm all for being a nice guy, but I also want some dogs on the team. Some killers. This is basketball, not a tea party.

Bobby Portis is your man.

I agree 100%

OrlandoNed · Post #739 » by **OrlandoNed** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 2:58 pm

ivDT wrote:never mind that grooming a.g. to play the 4 makes no sense for his personal development as a player, it doesn't make sense for the team, either.

we need a rim protecter at the 4. we've not seen anything from aaron to suggest that he'd be effective in that role. when it comes to aaron playing the 4, all we can do is speculate on what sort of defender he might become if he bulks up, a development that might actually diminish the defensive talents we already know about.

we already know he has the tools to be a damn good perimeter defender. it just seems crazy to me that we would draft the kid knowing this and then turn around and groom him into a power forward. especially if we end up drafting someone like wcs, porzingis or turner in this upcoming draft, all of whom would be much more natural fits at the 4 than a bulked up 6'8 aaron gordon.

Grooming Gordon for the new, modern age PF position makes plenty of sense. His massive lack of shooting ability needs way too much work right now for him to be able to play next to Payton and Oladipo on the perimeter. The amount of success you can have is severely limited with 2 of your 3 perimeter players being absolutely abysmal shooters.

MagicStarwipe · Post #740 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 3:22 pm

Aaron has been putting in much work on his shot since he left Arizona. The fruits of which were evident in his FT shooting and early season 3pt %. No reason he can't continue to get better with the work he puts in. For comparisons sake, he shot a better percentage from 3 in college and in his rookie season than Tobias did at the same point in his career. Not that Tobias is an amazing shooter today, but he's certainly improved. And most don't have a problem with Tobias playing the 3.

Who do you want for the Magic knowing what you know today?