Finals MVP...Andre Iguodala?

Freighttrain · Post #101 » by **Freighttrain** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:10 pm

He's been the most impactful player of the GSW.. If you look at it with stats he's probably n°3 or 4.. But when watching you know who's the key to the GSW wins.. D doesn't show up on stats, neither do the intangibles

G35 · Post #102 » by **G35** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:15 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
Louie_Ruckuz wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:

You make no case for him...

He's played phenomenal Defense but lets look at the #'s

Game 1 - 15 Pts
Game 2 - 7 PTs
Game 3 - 15 Pts
Game 4 - 22 pts

He's averaged 14.8 pts a game and that's the MVP?

DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON YOUR WAY OUT...

15 PPG isn't low lol, and it's FMVP not MVP, it's not crazy to win it without scoring a lot of points. Hard to explain to a Laker fan

Agreed but stop making it personal.

Anyway, Kawhi won it last year averaging 17.8 PPG

G1 9 pts
G2 9 pts
G3 29 pts
G4 20 pts
G5 22 pts

clyde21 · Post #103 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:16 pm

9th Wonder wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Iggy has been great, but Steph is the MVP so far. The attention he draws on offense alone allowed for so many open shots for Iggy and others tonight.

This is an important point, but I think it goes both ways. Iguodala's play making abilities allow Steph to play off the ball more (particularly last night). The number of open looks that Curry and Thompson enjoyed from running off screens last night made a big difference. Remember back to earlier in the series when Curry's pick and rolls were getting blitzed and pushed to the sideline. Having Livingston and Iguodala facilitate more of the offence and getting Curry open off multiple screens did wonders for their offence last night. There are of course a number of other factors involved, but I think that any credit given to Curry for creating space as a shooting threat needs to be shared with Iggy (and Livingston) for making it possible to get Steph open using different sets.

That's true, but Livingston and Iggy can't create off the dribble like Curry, which warranted even more attention. Plenty of times Curry had two, and even three guys on him. Also, I don't have the stats handy, but most of Iggy's made shots last night were uncontested. A lot of that has to do Curry drawing so much attention.

te887848 · Post #104 » by **te887848** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:27 pm

No he doesn't deserve it. His stats are way too weak to represent a typical Finals MVP, even if he's been doing a good job defensively and taking the toughest 1 on 1 assignment in the game in LeBron.

Curry is averaging like 24/5/6, not as efficient as usual but the raw averages are much better than Iguodala's 14/5/3 or whatever he's averaging.

clyde21 · Post #105 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:33 pm

te887848 wrote:No he doesn't deserve it. His stats are way too weak to represent a typical Finals MVP, even if he's been doing a good job defensively and taking the toughest 1 on 1 assignment in the game in LeBron.

Curry is averaging like 24/5/6, not as efficient as usual but the raw averages are much better than Iguodala's 14/5/3 or whatever he's averaging.

*GREAT job

LeBron's 18-54 when guarded by Iggy this series.

DynastySS · Post #106 » by **DynastySS** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:52 pm

Louie_Ruckuz wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
Louie_Ruckuz wrote:
Doesn't look like it bruh...asking if Iggy is finals MVP when he had only one good game. Usually the MVP doesn't go to the best Defensive player....before the game people were saying Lebron would win MVP even if he lost

You make no case for him...

He's played phenomenal Defense but lets look at the #'s

Game 1 - 15 Pts
Game 2 - 7 PTs
Game 3 - 15 Pts
Game 4 - 22 pts

He's averaged 14.8 pts a game and that's the MVP?

DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON YOUR WAY OUT...

Lebron is 18-52 and the point differential when Andre is on the floor is the highest by a massive margin. He is the only player stopping Lebron, and he has been the most consistent on offense (which for the record is more than scoring).

He is the FMVP and it isn't even that close yet. 3 more games to be played though.

sixerswillrule · Post #107 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:26 pm

DynastySS wrote:
Louie_Ruckuz wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:

You make no case for him...

He's played phenomenal Defense but lets look at the #'s

Game 1 - 15 Pts
Game 2 - 7 PTs
Game 3 - 15 Pts
Game 4 - 22 pts

He's averaged 14.8 pts a game and that's the MVP?

DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON YOUR WAY OUT...

Lebron is 18-52 and the point differential when Andre is on the floor is the highest by a massive margin. He is the only player stopping Lebron, and he has been the most consistent on offense (which for the record is more than scoring).

He is the FMVP and it isn't even that close yet. 3 more games to be played though.

That poster won't respond, after you and a few others chimed in to point out how wrong he is.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #108 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:48 pm

He would deserve it right now.

But Curry will get it for sure on media attention alone.

NbaFan724 · Post #109 » by **NbaFan724** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:06 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
That poster won't respond, after you and a few others chimed in to point out how wrong he is.

His response was "Stop getting all emotional" LOL.

Louie_Ruckuz · Post #110 » by **Louie_Ruckuz** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:28 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
DynastySS wrote:
Louie_Ruckuz wrote:
You make no case for him...

He's played phenomenal Defense but lets look at the #'s

Game 1 - 15 Pts
Game 2 - 7 PTs
Game 3 - 15 Pts
Game 4 - 22 pts

He's averaged 14.8 pts a game and that's the MVP?

DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON YOUR WAY OUT...

Lebron is 18-52 and the point differential when Andre is on the floor is the highest by a massive margin. He is the only player stopping Lebron, and he has been the most consistent on offense (which for the record is more than scoring).

He is the FMVP and it isn't even that close yet. 3 more games to be played though.

That poster won't respond, after you and a few others chimed in to point out how wrong he is.

Curry 23.5, 6.3apg, and 4.5rpg

DynastySS · Post #111 » by **DynastySS** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:32 pm

Louie_Ruckuz wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
DynastySS wrote:
Lebron is 18-52 and the point differential when Andre is on the floor is the highest by a massive margin. He is the only player stopping Lebron, and he has been the most consistent on offense (which for the record is more than scoring).

He is the FMVP and it isn't even that close yet. 3 more games to be played though.

That poster won't respond, after you and a few others chimed in to point out how wrong he is.

Curry 23.5, 6.3apg, and 4.5rpg

Strangely enough there is more to basketball than inefficient points.

Look at the +/- and tell me your take. Or maybe who they are guarding.

TaylorMonkey · Post #112 » by **TaylorMonkey** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:20 pm

ken6199 wrote:

This guy deserves huge credit too tonight.

Liv was a Rocket? No idea.

CallOfKtulu · Post #113 » by **CallOfKtulu** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:25 pm

Wait, people actually think Lebron should win FMVP if the Cavs lose? Dude is shooting 39% :lol:

Yoshun · Post #114 » by **Yoshun** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:46 pm

DynastySS wrote:
Louie_Ruckuz wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
That poster won't respond, after you and a few others chimed in to point out how wrong he is.

Curry 23.5, 6.3apg, and 4.5rpg

Strangely enough there is more to basketball than inefficient points.

Look at the +/- and tell me your take. Or maybe who they are guarding.

Why do people keep saying Curry has been inefficient?

Game 1: 10/20 = 50%
Game 2: 5/23 = 21%
Game 3: 10/20 = 50%
Game 4: 8/17 = 47%

Outside of game 2, which was really bad, he has been very efficient. Those are excellent, efficient scoring numbers for a pg.

Iggy's +/- is higher, and is very good. However several factors have contributed to that, such as coming off the bench. In addition, Curry's +/- was 18 in game 4, Iggy's was 16.

Post #115 » by **ken6199** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:28 pm

TaylorMonkey wrote:Liv was a Rocket? No idea.

Lot of players were unknown rockets with a GM like Moray. We had him in 2012 summer training camp but didn't make the final roster. At the time we thought he were just a Shawn Bradley of PG without range, glad he fit into GS system well (except for the part he turned the tide in game 1 & 2).

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nikster · Post #116 » by **nikster** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:31 pm

CallOfKtulu wrote:Wait, people actually think Lebron should win FMVP if the Cavs lose? Dude is shooting 39%

he has been the best player in the series by far...maybe not enough of a difference to break the 50 year trend of winning team getting the FMVP but its not a ridiculous idea

nikster · Post #117 » by **nikster** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:38 pm

Yoshun wrote:
DynastySS wrote:
Louie_Ruckuz wrote:
Curry 23.5, 6.3apg, and 4.5rpg

Strangely enough there is more to basketball than inefficient points.

Look at the +/- and tell me your take. Or maybe who they are guarding.

Why do people keep saying Curry has been inefficient?

Game 1: 10/20 = 50%
Game 2: 5/23 = 21%
Game 3: 10/20 = 50%
Game 4: 8/17 = 47%

Outside of game 2, which was really bad, he has been very efficient. Those are excellent, efficient scoring numbers for a pg.

Iggy's +/- is higher, and is very good. However several factors have contributed to that, such as coming off the bench. In addition, Curry's +/- was 18 in game 4, Iggy's was 16.

41.3% overall and he is averaging 5 TOs a game despite having many players that can space the floor, draw attention and create for themselves and others. Iggy is at 57.5%, 40.9% from 3 and is smarter with the ball.
And the impact on defense can not be overstated. Iggy is guarding the best player in the world and Curry is guarding what may be the least talented role player in the playoffs (Delly).

jamesnamida · Post #118 » by **jamesnamida** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:50 pm

iggys individual defense on lebron is a little overstated.
50 year old jordan would shoot a better percentage against him. lebron doesn't have a reliable go to fade away or post move.

nikster · Post #119 » by **nikster** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:02 am

jamesnamida wrote:iggys individual defense on lebron is a little overstated.
50 year old jordan would shoot a better percentage against him. lebron doesn't have a reliable go to fade away or post move.

Yoshun · Post #120 » by **Yoshun** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:03 am

nikster wrote:
Yoshun wrote:
DynastySS wrote:
Strangely enough there is more to basketball than inefficient points.

Look at the +/- and tell me your take. Or maybe who they are guarding.

Why do people keep saying Curry has been inefficient?

Game 1: 10/20 = 50%
Game 2: 5/23 = 21%
Game 3: 10/20 = 50%
Game 4: 8/17 = 47%

Outside of game 2, which was really bad, he has been very efficient. Those are excellent, efficient scoring numbers for a pg.

Iggy's +/- is higher, and is very good. However several factors have contributed to that, such as coming off the bench. In addition, Curry's +/- was 18 in game 4, Iggy's was 16.

41.3% overall and he is averaging 5 TOs a game despite having many players that can space the floor, draw attention and create for themselves and others. Iggy is at 57.5%, 40.9% from 3 and is smarter with the ball.
And the impact on defense can not be overstated. Iggy is guarding the best player in the world and Curry is guarding what may be the least talented role player in the playoffs (Delly).

All true. However I was disputing the notion the Curry has been ineffectient this series. That isn't true. He had one game of very poor efficiency. The other three games he was very efficient.

In addition Curry is being targeted by the Cavs D, and rightfully so. Delly is not the only one gaurding him. The Cavs have made it very clear their goal is to not let Curry and Klay beat them. In fact, for stretches at the end of games, Lebron has been gaurding Curry. Mostly they have made guarding Curry a team effort though.

Iggy has been playing exceptionally well no doubt. He was asked to guard the best player in the league and is doing a fantastic job. However, Curry is being asked to shoulder a large majority of the offensive load and is also doing a fantastic job, with the exception of game 2 obviously.

In line for Finals MVP if the Warriors close it out