Embiid Updates/Discussion

ProcessDoctor · Post #121 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:53 am

Hmm don't know how to feel about the timing of all this. I'm very skeptical of this happening around the same time as KP6 gaining momentum and Russell canceling his workout with us. I don't question whether or not he had a setback, but I wonder if it's really minor and is being presented as something more serious to take attention away from the "Russell to Sixers" talk.

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rzzzzz · Post #122 » by **rzzzzz** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:57 am

not sure how bad this can be considering they must have taken a CT scan a couple of months ago, and if you can believe what the FO is putting out, the concern is only about a perceived lack of progress from that CT scan (when he was cleared for playing) to the current one that comes after no reported pain or injury issues. like their disappointed that the the bone tissue isn't a little thicker. seems more like caution from a sophistication in sports medicine that would not be a part of the recovery regimen a few years ago. unless they're outright lying/covering up, which has not been their mo, this seems to indicated prolonging the rehab schedule rather than any drastic set back.

OleSchool · Post #123 » by **OleSchool** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:07 am

rzzzzz wrote:not sure how bad this can be considering they must have taken a CT scan a couple of months ago, and if you can believe what the FO is putting out, the concern is only about a perceived lack of progress from that CT scan (when he was cleared for playing) to the current one that comes after no reported pain or injury issues. like their disappointed that the the bone tissue isn't a little thicker. seems more like caution from a sophistication in sports medicine that would not be a part of the recovery regimen a few years ago. unless they're outright lying/covering up, which has not been their mo, this seems to indicated prolonging the rehab schedule rather than any drastic set back.

I agree with this ^

It doesn't seem like its healing as fast as they expected it to. No pain, no break. Lets see what happens in a few days

sixerfan5 · Post #124 » by **sixerfan5** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:17 am

I feel really sorry for Embiid. He is living in a foreign country and had a devastating foot injury (after a back injury) requiring a surgery and now may not be healing properly. He lost his younger brother this year and is far away from his family and friends. If he has really suffered a setback and needs another surgery, that will really be a hard thing for him to deal with. Just having to stop his basketball activities must be very hard for him.
For the Sixers, does that change their drafting dynamic? If Embiid is not their foundation piece, does a point guard like Mudiay who can create offense for Noel with dribble penetration become a viable choice? If there is no big center like Embiid, can they consider Kristaps to play alongside Noel with both being so thin? Even bulked up they would be pushed around. It seems like the Sixer's world is now a bit more complicated.

snoopdogg88 · Post #125 » by **snoopdogg88** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:32 am

Skates wrote:
snoopdogg88 wrote:Disappointed but not surprised at this whatsoever

I caught a lot of flak on this board for hating the Embiid pick since day 1. Injured big men stay injured.
This is going to be the story of Joel Embiid's (lack of) career. It's always going to be something with him.

He sat out his entire rookie season and still isn't healthy. This is just a mess.

Exactly, look at that Noel guy, dude can barely walk, right?

Embiid was a value pick who fell based on the injury. Comparing his simple fracture to Yao as some have done ignores a lot of the medicine. Yao had a spiderweb of fractures in that bone, Embiid's break was not like that. It is, was and will be a calculated risk, but playing it safe 100% of the time rarely equals greatness. The team is well positioned no matter what happens with Embiid, he just determines which path of many that we follow.

People always try to comeback with "well look at Noel"
Noel and Embiid are totally different situations.

Joel Embiid couldn't stay healthy in high school. Couldn't stay healthy in college. Hasn't shown he can stay anywhere near healthy in the pros.

Noel suffered a freak injury in college once, and came back pretty normally.

snoopdogg88 · Post #126 » by **snoopdogg88** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:35 am

I give it a week before they announce he's having another surgery and will miss the upcoming season.

JordanMars · Post #127 » by **JordanMars** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:36 am

snoopdogg88 wrote:I give it a week before they announce he's having another surgery and will miss the upcoming season.

lol

Post #128 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:39 am

It's worrisome, but perhaps don't jump the gun just yet. We know nothing.

ryst · Post #129 » by **ryst** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:15 am

I know this was pre Hinkie but this reminds of the fools the sixers make of us fans with the Bynum injury(play next week,maybe in a month,maybe mid seadon , maybe never)
i don't see a reason for the Sixers to come out with the statement they did if this was not big news, Hinkie never said anything until now , so to me this also seems like a pre announcement that Embiid need to have another surgery , its like they are preparing us for bad news.

i hope i am wrong.

snoopdogg88 · Post #130 » by **snoopdogg88** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:17 am

ryst wrote:I know this was pre Hinkie but this reminds of the fools the sixers make of us fans with the Bynum injury(play next week,maybe in a month,maybe mid seadon , maybe never)
i don't see a reason for the Sixers to come out with the statement they did if this was not big news, Hinkie never said anything until now , so to me this also seems like a pre announcement that that Embiid need to have another surgery , its like they are preparing us for bad news.

i hope i am wrong.

exactly.

this is the attempt to emotionally prepare us for another surgery announcement.

76ciology · Post #131 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:18 am

sixerfan5 wrote:I feel really sorry for Embiid. He is living in a foreign country and had a devastating foot injury (after a back injury) requiring a surgery and now may not be healing properly. He lost his younger brother this year and is far away from his family and friends. If he has really suffered a setback and needs another surgery, that will really be a hard thing for him to deal with. Just having to stop his basketball activities must be very hard for him.
For the Sixers, does that change their drafting dynamic? If Embiid is not their foundation piece, does a point guard like Mudiay who can create offense for Noel with dribble penetration become a viable choice? If there is no big center like Embiid, can they consider Kristaps to play alongside Noel with both being so thin? Even bulked up they would be pushed around. It seems like the Sixer's world is now a bit more complicated.

Yes. Better probability to go for a high upside guy like Kristap and Mudiay. Also lessens the probability of drafting Russell with the concept of Embiid post+Russell spacing play, while Mudiay seems more stronger candidate with his ability to breakdown the defense and create for Noel like how Ish does and how he did for Yi Jian Lian in CBA.

76ciology · Post #132 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:21 am

We are not going to compete next year either way. This news means higher pick next year for possible Ben Simmons pick and it's nice to hear our team taking cautious approach and not rush things, prioritizing a long term career for Embiid.

A Noel, Embiid, Simmons and Mudiay core is crazy.

ryst · Post #133 » by **ryst** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:24 am

76ciology wrote:Things to think about..

We are not going to compete next year either way. This news means higher pick next year for possible Ben Simmons pick and it's nice to hear our team taking cautious approach and not rush things, prioritizing a long term career for Embiid.

A Noel, Embiid, Simmons and Mudiay core is crazy.

while i see the point of looking at the glass half full , this is still devastating news if Embiid cant play or need another surgery
its doesn't mater if we will compete next year or not , Embiid needs to play next year and if he cant its awful

Wonderllama · Post #134 » by **Wonderllama** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:25 am

So much for being a franchise cornerstone. I would see what you could get for him in the draft

Mik317 · Post #135 » by **Mik317** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:28 am

This should stop the weird bragging. This is why you don't beat your chests before things happen.

76ciology · Post #136 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:29 am

ryst wrote:
76ciology wrote:Things to think about..

We are not going to compete next year either way. This news means higher pick next year for possible Ben Simmons pick and it's nice to hear our team taking cautious approach and not rush things, prioritizing a long term career for Embiid.

A Noel, Embiid, Simmons and Mudiay core is crazy.

while i see the point of looking at the glass half full , this is still devastating news if Embiid cant play or need another surgery
its doesn't mater if we will compete next year or not , Embiid needs to play next year and if he cant its awful

I'm going to play the glass half full voice and say, Embiid looked dominant and didn't experience any pain before this latest diagnosis.

And it's been said that there was no structural damage since last year. It's more on the rate of healing, that has been below expectation.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #137 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:29 am

Yeah, that's done. Forget just giving him away in the draft, I think they should just chop off the foot and he should pursue another career. I heard he loves Strawberry Lemonade. Maybe work at Turkey Hill?

mcaul55 · Post #138 » by **mcaul55** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:33 am

Prediction Time:

Fast forward a month, they announce Embiid will undergo a bone graft surgery ala Kevin Durant and is out for the year.

They elect to keep Saric overseas another season.

76ers draft Kristaps Porzingis and tell him to stay overseas for a year.

76ers run it back with the same team from last year and make a run at Ben Simmons.

I'm not even a 76ers fan, but the thought of being able to essentially 'bring in' Embiid, Saric, Porzingis, and Simmons the same year would be epic. Would just need one more rookie to have the NBA version of the Fab Five.

snoopdogg88 · Post #139 » by **snoopdogg88** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:34 am

76ciology wrote:We are not going to compete next year either way. This news means higher pick next year for possible Ben Simmons pick and it's nice to hear our team taking cautious approach and not rush things, prioritizing a long term career for Embiid.

A Noel, Embiid, Simmons and Mudiay core is crazy.

if Embiid can't play this season, you have to accept reality and understand he's probably never going to be part of the core.

You don't miss 24 + months due to injury and come back to play NBA basketball at a high level.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #140 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:36 am

mcaul55 wrote:Prediction Time:

Fast forward a month, they announce Embiid will undergo a bone graft surgery ala Kevin Durant and is out for the year.

They elect to keep Saric overseas another season.

76ers draft Kristaps Porzingis and tell him to stay overseas for a year.

76ers run it back with the same team from last year and make a run at Ben Simmons.

I'm not even a 76ers fan, but the thought of being able to essentially 'bring in' Embiid, Saric, Porzingis, and Simmons the same year would be epic. Would just need one more rookie to have the NBA version of the Fab Five.

I wouldn't be opposed to it, should the worst happen with Embiid, but the marketing team here has pushed "The Time is NOW!" as their new slogan. Not sure that would fly, but whatever. I only want what is best for the team, I'm in no rush.