Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

[Kanyewest]

Howard was coming off an injury (EG loves that) when EG signed him, he was a paid bench-warmer like Webster.

Don't have time to address the other inaccuracies in Hands's white-washing of EG'a tenure. Good day.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

$3 million for one year is not that much TBH.

[hands11]

Howard was coming off an injury (EG loves that) when EG signed him, he was a paid bench-warmer like Webster.

Don't have time to address the other inaccuracies in Hands's white-washing of EG'a tenure. Good day.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

Keep hating Closg

Why are you even a Wizards fan exactly ?

I white washed nothing. While you reach for things to complain about.

Right moves or not, they rebuilt the team and are set up nicely to take a huge leap if/when KD comes home.

Then what will you complain about ?

They will win a title and you will still be complaining because the GM is not good enough. Who cares. Cleveland GM isn't any better. KD to DC will be because of KD and Ted, more then EG. LeBron to Cle was because of LeBron, no body else. Hell, his owner was a dick to him when he left. And he still returned.

GMs do not matter nearly as much as people make it out here. Owners matter more in most cases. As does luck. In most cases, after those two things and average GM is enough. And we have that.

The best GM in the league making all the right moves isn't as good as LeBron deciding to come home or KD doing the same to a team with Wall, Beal and Otto. Ted is the one setting the plan and guidelines. EG is just painting inside of them. He is a contractor who has been given blue prints.

Being the NBA GM is the easiest money out there if you can get a job doing it. As long as you have a good owner. If you suck, blow it up and get a great top pick in the right draft. Luck in the right player and they will draw the others. Suck for a few years in the right drafts and you are set. Even if you sucked for 20 years. As long as your owner sets the right time frame, your team will recover if you are an average GM.

[closg00]

Facts that you don't like is considered "hating"

The Wizards could have 5,6,7 different owners and none of them would be able to transform Ernie Grunfeld into a better manager, or even average talent evaluator. You call EG's mishaps "brain farts", I call it gross incompetence. As a fan I want and expect better than barely average. Like many of us here my fall-back position is hoping to get lucky.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

[payitforward]

...I think I know how that story ends as I do how mine works out.

Actually, your story changes all the time. Not two months ago you came out and said it was time for Ernie to go.

Now... you have a right to change your mind. But every version on every issue seems to be presented under the rubric "...as I've always been saying."

Ernie is the GM; he runs the basketball operation. Ted doesn't run it. He runs Monumental Sports. That includes the Wizards, the Caps, the arena and much much more. If you think he spends any time on any roster related deal that isn't something Ernie thought up and brought to him, then you have no idea what it's like to run a company like Monumental. I doubt Ted spends an hour a week on the Wizards roster -- unless he's talking to media (i.e. to the fans -- his customers -- via the media) whereupon it's the most important thing in the world of course!

All those bad picks... Ernie made them. Period. All those bad decisions to sell picks. Ditto. Ernie got lucky twice w/ the ping pong balls, otherwise he wouldn't have had the chance to pick Wall, and you're right we might have taken Udoh. And he wouldn't have had the chance to pick Porter.

Ditto all those bad FA decisions and bad trades. All Ernie. We're in the sixth off season since the ownership change and, wow, we won 46 games. We improved by 1 win from the year before. We got as far in the playoffs as the year before.

As to "without the Wall injury we'd have been in the ECF" -- sure. Unless, of course, Millsap hadn't been injured and/or sick. In which case, maybe not so much?

Two years ago you claimed we were a 47 win team if Wall hadn't been injured. The roster has improved since then, and we're *still* not a 47 win team. In short, there is no step by step. There is no functional plan. Ernie puts bandaids on bandaids -- that's what he's always done. And Ted's plans relate to the much larger, more complicated entity called Monumental Sports. To Ted, the Wizards exist to increase revenue and profitability for Monumental Sports. *That* is Ted's business. Full stop.

[FAH1223]

Howard was coming off an injury (EG loves that) when EG signed him, he was a paid bench-warmer like Webster.

Don't have time to address the other inaccuracies in Hands's white-washing of EG'a tenure. Good day.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

Keep hating Closg

Why are you even a Wizards fan exactly ?

I white washed nothing. While you reach for things to complain about.

Right moves or not, they rebuilt the team and are set up nicely to take a huge leap if/when KD comes home.

Then what will you complain about ?

They will win a title and you will still be complaining because the GM is not good enough. Who cares. Cleveland GM isn't any better. KD to DC will be because of KD and Ted, more then EG. LeBron to Cle was because of LeBron, no body else. Hell, his owner was a dick to him when he left. And he still returned.

GMs do not matter nearly as much as people make it out here. Owners matter more in most cases. As does luck. In most cases, after those two things and average GM is enough. And we have that.

The best GM in the league making all the right moves isn't as good as LeBron deciding to come home or KD doing the same to a team with Wall, Beal and Otto. Ted is the one setting the plan and guidelines. EG is just painting inside of them. He is a contractor who has been given blue prints.

Being the NBA GM is the easiest money out there if you can get a job doing it. As long as you have a good owner. If you suck, blow it up and get a great top pick in the right draft. Luck in the right player and they will draw the others. Suck for a few years in the right drafts and you are set. Even if you sucked for 20 years. As long as your owner sets the right time frame, your team will recover if you are an average GM.

Bob Meyer in 3 years has done more than Grunfeld has in his entire CAREER.

And the Warriors have sucked just as much as the Wiz have.

[montestewart]

This is starting to make sense. It's like how Michelangelo was an average artist, but he had a good Pope with a plan and lucked into a great project. Michelangelo, EG, Herb the hot dog vendor, as long as they can mustard up the dog as instructed, this team will be fine.

[Brenice]

I'm sorry the Cleveland GM is not the Washington GM. That GM deserves Executive of the Year. Cleveland was stuck in bad situation with LeBron because they were getting low draft picks and were having problems acquiring talent to surround LeBron with so....He had LeBron take his talents to South Beach. He made sure to win the lottery not 1, not 2, but 3 times and also had the #4 pick in the draft, the 4 years LeBron was in South Beach. Once sufficient assets was acquired, he brought LeBron back home.

Moral of the story...LeBron deserves Executive of the Year, Ernie needs to take notes from LeBron.

[FAH1223]

I'm sorry the Cleveland GM is not the Washington GM. That GM deserves Executive of the Year. Cleveland was stuck in bad situation with LeBron because they were getting low draft picks and were having problems acquiring talent to surround LeBron with so....He had LeBron take his talents to South Beach. He made sure to win the lottery not 1, not 2, but 3 times and also had the #4 pick in the draft, the 4 years LeBron was in South Beach. Once sufficient assets was acquired, he brought LeBron back home.

Moral of the story...LeBron deserves Executive of the Year, Ernie needs to take notes from LeBron.

David Griffin has actually only been the GM since the Spring of 2014.

Chris Grant was the one making those lottery picks and then got fired.

But yeah, LeBron in ONE YEAR has done more than Grunfail has accomplished as an executive in 25 years

[fishercob]

Ernie's most underrated failure may be his most recent.

Boston traded an expiring contract and Cleveland's 2016 first round pick for Isiah Thomas.

Ernie could have easily beaten that offer with Miller and our 2016 first, top-20 protected,

If we had had Isiah Thomas instead of Sessions, I think we'd have beaten Atlanta in 6.

Then against Cleveland in the ECF, with Irving hobbled by tendinitis? Who knows? Even if we didn't win, I think we'd have shown well enough to position ourselves this summer and next.

And we'd have Thomas under control for a super cheap contract.

Damn.

[Dat2U]

Howard was coming off an injury (EG loves that) when EG signed him, he was a paid bench-warmer like Webster.

Don't have time to address the other inaccuracies in Hands's white-washing of EG'a tenure. Good day.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

Keep hating Closg

Why are you even a Wizards fan exactly ?

I white washed nothing. While you reach for things to complain about.

Right moves or not, they rebuilt the team and are set up nicely to take a huge leap if/when KD comes home.

Then what will you complain about ?

They will win a title and you will still be complaining because the GM is not good enough. Who cares. Cleveland GM isn't any better. KD to DC will be because of KD and Ted, more then EG. LeBron to Cle was because of LeBron, no body else. Hell, his owner was a dick to him when he left. And he still returned.

GMs do not matter nearly as much as people make it out here. Owners matter more in most cases. As does luck. In most cases, after those two things and average GM is enough. And we have that.

The best GM in the league making all the right moves isn't as good as LeBron deciding to come home or KD doing the same to a team with Wall, Beal and Otto. Ted is the one setting the plan and guidelines. EG is just painting inside of them. He is a contractor who has been given blue prints.

Being the NBA GM is the easiest money out there if you can get a job doing it. As long as you have a good owner. If you suck, blow it up and get a great top pick in the right draft. Luck in the right player and they will draw the others. Suck for a few years in the right drafts and you are set. Even if you sucked for 20 years. As long as your owner sets the right time frame, your team will recover if you are an average GM.

hands11, I love you but your everything folks on this board claim you to be. It's statements like that which will get no support among friends here. Not sure how questioning Ernie somehow makes someone less of fan. In spite of any recent success, folks have a right to feel the way they do about Ernie. He's earned every single bit of doubt he received thus far. You can say 'well look what he did with Ted!'.. I'd say he's still terrible. 3 TOP 3 picks in 4 years ought to get ya somewhere. 5 Top 6 picks in 6 years...you should have a roster loaded with talent. Dude burned through a ton of assets ---- under Ted. Clean it up all you want. Folks still have a right to want something better.

[WizTom]

DC loves a redemption story.
Danny Ferry.
Born in leafy Hyattsville, MD.
Bring the kid home.

This popped into my head last winter as Ferry was in limbo.

He ain't in limbo any more.

Go get him, Ted!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238245/Hawks-Part-Ways-With-Danny-Ferry-Promote-Budenholzer

[fishercob]

DC loves a redemption story.
Danny Ferry.
Born in leafy Hyattsville, MD.
Bring the kid home.

This popped into my head last winter as Ferry was in limbo.

He ain't in limbo any more.

Go get him, Ted!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238245/Hawks-Part-Ways-With-Danny-Ferry-Promote-Budenholzer

Agreed, 10000%.

[Severn Hoos]

Maybe someone can ply Ernie with a few drinks and then get him to open up about how he really feels about the East Europeans he's always scouting. On tape, of course, so that it can be played all over ESPN and the outrage machine can get him fired.

Sadly, that might be about the only thing he could do to get fired around here.

[WizTom]

DC loves a redemption story.
Danny Ferry.
Born in leafy Hyattsville, MD.
Bring the kid home.

This popped into my head last winter as Ferry was in limbo.

He ain't in limbo any more.

Go get him, Ted!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238245/Hawks-Part-Ways-With-Danny-Ferry-Promote-Budenholzer

Agreed, 10000%.

Heck, Ferry could come home quietly and "assist" or "consult" EFG next year (or until his contract runs out), then take over for real.

[fishercob]

Maybe someone can ply Ernie with a few drinks and then get him to open up about how he really feels about the East Europeans he's always scouting. On tape, of course, so that it can be played all over ESPN and the outrage machine can get him fired.

Sadly, that might be about the only thing he could do to get fired around here.

Given that Ernie is a Romanian immigrant himself, I don't think you're likely to get him go Jimmy the Greek on us.

It;s a shame he's such a bad GM; Ernie's life is a remarkable story that makes you want to root for the guy.

[keynote]

DC loves a redemption story.
Danny Ferry.
Born in leafy Hyattsville, MD.
Bring the kid home.

This popped into my head last winter as Ferry was in limbo.

He ain't in limbo any more.

Go get him, Ted!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238245/Hawks-Part-Ways-With-Danny-Ferry-Promote-Budenholzer

+100.

Hmm. Is it bad that I might be willing to overlook a little 'cism just to get a better GM? Has EG brought me that low?

[Sluggerface]

What ferry said wasn't even racist. He'll have a job sooner rather than later. GMs that build 60 win teams with two different franchises don't stay unemployed for long.

[closg00]

I don't think Ted fires Ernie and passes over his #2 (Shepard?) who has had several interviews for GM positions. In those interviews that had to ask "WTF were you guys thinking with Foye/Miller and Vesely"


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

[FAH1223]

I expect Grunfail to pick Harrell or Martin at #19.

[thricethefun]

I expect Grunfail to pick Harrell or Martin at #19.

We didn't even work out either of those two guys did we?