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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4201 » by swisscheeseD » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:30 pm

GameHHH wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:Can we throw in an unprotected 2018 1st too, Triple H?


LOL. Guys like Mudiay and porzingis are projects. Winslow will most likely be Harrison Barnes. You have to take Melo's age into consideration. Two starters from a championship team isn't exactly trash.


What you're not taking into consideration is that not only are we giving up practically our only true tangible asset in the 4th pick, but you are also asking for us to spend our Cap Space on the oft-injured Bogut (as opposed to finding someone better in Free Agency) AND us fitting the bill for Harrison's extension next off-season. So even if Winslow "will most likely be Barnes", at least he's cost-controlled for the next 4yrs.

AND WE'RE NOT TAKING WINSLOW 4...GTFO TROLL!

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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4202 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:35 pm

Simple Deal:

Jason Thompson for Jose Calderon

With rumors out there that Russell might drop to 4 or we could still go Mudiay we really wouldn't have much use for Calderon.

Thompson makes 1 million less than calderon this year (so 1 million in cap savings). Plus his 2016-17 contract is only partially guaranteed. If we don't want him we can just release him for only 2.6 dead $$$.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4203 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:36 pm

mpharris36 wrote:Simple Deal:

Jason Thompson for Jose Calderon

With rumors out there that Russell might drop to 4 or we could still go Mudiay we really wouldn't have much use for Calderon.

Thompson makes 1 million less than calderon this year (so 1 million in cap savings). Plus his 2016-17 contract is only partially guaranteed. If we don't want him we can just release him for only 2.6 dead $$$.


Why does Sacramento do that...?
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Post#4204 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:42 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:Simple Deal:

Jason Thompson for Jose Calderon

With rumors out there that Russell might drop to 4 or we could still go Mudiay we really wouldn't have much use for Calderon.

Thompson makes 1 million less than calderon this year (so 1 million in cap savings). Plus his 2016-17 contract is only partially guaranteed. If we don't want him we can just release him for only 2.6 dead $$$.


Why does Sacramento do that...?


they really don't have a trust worthy point guard...A kings fan brought it up in the trade thread. I always thought a swap would be a decent move for both. Kings are looking at WCS in the draft and they really wouldn't have a lot of minutes available for for JT.

Calderon would come in and replace Andre Millers role as the backup 1/2 for Collison and McLemore.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4205 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:46 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:Simple Deal:

Jason Thompson for Jose Calderon

With rumors out there that Russell might drop to 4 or we could still go Mudiay we really wouldn't have much use for Calderon.

Thompson makes 1 million less than calderon this year (so 1 million in cap savings). Plus his 2016-17 contract is only partially guaranteed. If we don't want him we can just release him for only 2.6 dead $$$.


Why does Sacramento do that...?


they really don't have a trust worthy point guard...A kings fan brought it up in the trade thread. I always thought a swap would be a decent move for both. Kings are looking at WCS in the draft and they really wouldn't have a lot of minutes available for for JT.

Calderon would come in and replace Andre Millers role as the backup 1/2 for Collison and McLemore.


Interesting - didn't know it was a Kings' fan idea. If offered, I'd do it. As underwhelming as Thompson has been since his rookie year, he'd help more than Calderon (and contract is better, situation is better, etc).

I just can't see them doing it. Ray wasn't a bad backup guard for them, Miller loves Karl and I can see him returning, and I think they'd want to give Stauskas some minutes before they write him off. Never know, though.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4206 » by GameHHH » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:08 pm

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GameHHH wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:Can we throw in an unprotected 2018 1st too, Triple H?


LOL. Guys like Mudiay and porzingis are projects. Winslow will most likely be Harrison Barnes. You have to take Melo's age into consideration. Two starters from a championship team isn't exactly trash.


What you're not taking into consideration is that not only are we giving up practically our only true tangible asset in the 4th pick, but you are also asking for us to spend our Cap Space on the oft-injured Bogut (as opposed to finding someone better in Free Agency) AND us fitting the bill for Harrison's extension next off-season. So even if Winslow "will most likely be Barnes", at least he's cost-controlled for the next 4yrs.

AND WE'RE NOT TAKING WINSLOW 4...GTFO TROLL!

:lol:


The key is finding someone better than Bogut in free agency. Bogut made 2nd team all defense. Gasol will re-sign with MEM. Jordan will re-sign with LAC. I doubt Chandler would go back. Who do you want instead no defense Monroe or Asik?
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4207 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:09 pm

GameHHH wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:
GameHHH wrote:
LOL. Guys like Mudiay and porzingis are projects. Winslow will most likely be Harrison Barnes. You have to take Melo's age into consideration. Two starters from a championship team isn't exactly trash.


What you're not taking into consideration is that not only are we giving up practically our only true tangible asset in the 4th pick, but you are also asking for us to spend our Cap Space on the oft-injured Bogut (as opposed to finding someone better in Free Agency) AND us fitting the bill for Harrison's extension next off-season. So even if Winslow "will most likely be Barnes", at least he's cost-controlled for the next 4yrs.

AND WE'RE NOT TAKING WINSLOW 4...GTFO TROLL!

:lol:


The key is finding someone better than Bogut in free agency. Bogut made 2nd team all defense. Gasol will re-sign with MEM. Jordan will re-sign with LAC. I doubt Chandler would go back. Who do you want instead no defense Monroe or Asik?

Preserve cap space. I like the Warriors nearly as much as the Knicks so I'm not even biased, but that trade is doo doo.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4208 » by GameHHH » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:20 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
GameHHH wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:
What you're not taking into consideration is that not only are we giving up practically our only true tangible asset in the 4th pick, but you are also asking for us to spend our Cap Space on the oft-injured Bogut (as opposed to finding someone better in Free Agency) AND us fitting the bill for Harrison's extension next off-season. So even if Winslow "will most likely be Barnes", at least he's cost-controlled for the next 4yrs.

AND WE'RE NOT TAKING WINSLOW 4...GTFO TROLL!

:lol:


The key is finding someone better than Bogut in free agency. Bogut made 2nd team all defense. Gasol will re-sign with MEM. Jordan will re-sign with LAC. I doubt Chandler would go back. Who do you want instead no defense Monroe or Asik?

Preserve cap space. I like the Warriors nearly as much as the Knicks so I'm not even biased, but that trade is doo doo.


You do know that the cap goes up significantly in 2016 and 2017 right? Knicks will still have plenty of cap space.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4209 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:22 pm

GameHHH wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
GameHHH wrote:
The key is finding someone better than Bogut in free agency. Bogut made 2nd team all defense. Gasol will re-sign with MEM. Jordan will re-sign with LAC. I doubt Chandler would go back. Who do you want instead no defense Monroe or Asik?

Preserve cap space. I like the Warriors nearly as much as the Knicks so I'm not even biased, but that trade is doo doo.


You do know that the cap goes up significantly in 2016 and 2017 right? Knicks will still have plenty of cap space.


So? Doesn't mean you have to spend it now just because you have it. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever in trading for an injury prone C, a backup center, and a wing (who you even admitted Winslow might become) who is about to be paid.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4210 » by kej718 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:12 pm

Ranking the Best Free-Agent Landing Spots for Danny Green This Offseason

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2497185-ranking-the-best-free-agent-landing-spots-for-danny-green-this-offseason/page/2

5. New York KnicksBrad Penner-USA TODAY Sports
The New York Knicks don't grade out particularly well in the team-success facet, but they're appealing for the three other categories, plus one notable wild card: home.

Green was born and raised in New York, and he heads back East every summer to host a skills camp. The Knicks should try to keep him from leaving.

According to HoopsHype, the Knicks have $36 million to work with this offseason in an attempt to build around Carmelo Anthony. Plus, no matter which prospect New York selects at No. 4 in the 2015 NBA draft, that shouldn't change Green's expected value to the roster.

Langston Galloway emerged as the starting point guard—even if only in the short term—but he's not a long-distance threat. Theoretically, Tim Hardaway Jr.'s biggest contribution is his shooting range, but he posted a meager 34.2 percent clip.

The Knicks don't need to merely bolster their three-point arsenal. No, they have to find the first functional weapon, and Green would immediately bring spacing to a team that failed to understand that concept last year.

New York scored a league-worst 91.9 points per game last season. The Knicks desperately need Green to come home, and the franchise has the money to reward him handsomely for his efforts.

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It seems like his best option would be the Knicks, or the Mavs. With Aldrige expected to go there will they still have enough cap to sign him too? The Spurs have 9 free agents and about $34 mil to spend so he would have to take a huge discount. I like the idea of having him and Carroll.
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Post#4211 » by god4gives » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:23 pm

http://knickerblogger.net/the-state-of-the-knicks-cap-as-of-61615/

With the draft a little over a week away and free agency to follow soon after, I figured now would be as good a time as any to restate the Knicks’ current sitution, vis a vis their salary cap (I might re-post this one more time right before free agency begins):

Now that we know where the Knicks are drafting, we officially now also know how much ca room the Knicks will have (based on a $66,500,000 cap. It could be higher than that, but everyone is currently projecting $66.5).

The Knicks’ #4 pick’s cap hold is $3,443,100. The rest of their salaries are 33,272,450.

That’s six players (the #4 pick plus Melo, Calderon, THJ, Cleanthony and Galloway) for a sum of $36,715,550.

However, you also need to take into account the fact that the Knicks have to have cap holds for their remaining six spots. Each cap hold is the minimum, so $525,093 per slot. For every free agent you sign, however, you fill in one of those slots. So for the purposes of this exercise, let’s assume Phil Jackson signs three free agents, so we’ll only have to account for three minimum slots. So it is $525,093 times three, or $1,575,279.

That brings us to $38,290,829. Subtract that from $66,500,000 and the Knicks have roughly:

$28,209,171 to spend on three free agents.

If the Knicks sign less than three free agents with their cap room or more than three free agents with their cap room, here is what they will have in cap room:

$27,684,078 to spend on two free agents.

$28,734,264 to spend on four free agents

$29,259,357 to spend on five free agents

$29,784,450 to spend on six free agents

It is important to note, however, that the Knicks will also have access to the room exception, which is $2,732,000. This is an exception given to teams who use up almost all or all of their cap room (but are not over the cap). It allows them to go over the cap, but only for $2,732,000 for one player (I believe that’s half the current mid-level). So the Knicks can spend the full $27,684,078 on two players and then use the room exception to sign a third player. Some decent players have signed for the room exception the last few years, including Vince Carter with Dallas in 2013 and Josh McRoberts with Charlotte that same year. The last time the Knicks had access to their room exception was in 2011-12 (after they went under the cap to sign Tyson Chandler). They used it in on JR Smith that year.

So if Jackson wants to hand out three mid-size contracts, he has $28,209,171 to work with. If he wants to hand out two big contracts and one room exception contract, he’ll have $27,684,078 to work with on the two big deals.

The Knicks have enough to make one max offer, but not two. They obviously can open up a lot more room if they somehow dump Calderon’s contract (it is kind of funny to note that had they kept Felton and just cut him, they’d have room for two max offers now).

EDITED TO ADD: Just for fun, if the Knicks waived Calderon and used the stretch provision on him, they’d open up roughly a little under $4 million in cap space ($4,380,683 minus the additional $525,093 cap slot they’d be opening up). So in that scenario, they’d have $31,539,668 in cap space for two free agents, almost literally the exact amount of cap room needed for two max offers (for young players with maxes of $15.7 million, of course, like Draymond Green and Greg Monroe, not older maxes of $20 million for players like Marc Gasol and LaMarcus Aldridge).

They’d have to pay Calderon roughly $3 million for the next five years, though, but with the cap rising, that’s probably not a huge deal.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#4212 » by The_Special_One » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:30 pm

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Post#4213 » by yb90 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:57 pm

One trade swap idea I wanted to happen but the chances of it is dwindling with the news of Minny wanting Rubio gone is Calderon for Kevin Martin. Jose would give them a veteran presence and Rubio a mentor who happens to be a fellow Spaniard.
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Post#4214 » by malik959 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:00 am

swisscheeseD wrote:
MagicFanCincy wrote:Orlando Magic fan wondering if Knicks would trade #4 pick for #5 plus Channing Frey (he's signed for 3 more years)?

Want to make sure Magic get Porzingis. Mudiay would probably still be available, and Frey is serviceable.

Thoughts?


Go tell your Magic fans to go scratch their asses. Why the **** would we take on Frye's terrible deal AND move back one spot? You don't make no sense. If you want to move up to #4, you give us an ASSET or take back Calderon in a salary dump. Frye and his contract certainly does not qualify as an asset.

I'd counter with a sign and trade: #4 + Calderon for #5 + T. Harris
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Post#4215 » by andyhop » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:26 am

yb90 wrote:One trade swap idea I wanted to happen but the chances of it is dwindling with the news of Minny wanting Rubio gone is Calderon for Kevin Martin. Jose would give them a veteran presence and Rubio a mentor who happens to be a fellow Spaniard.


The Wolves don't want Rubio gone but they also wouldn't want Calderon. The idea that Rubio needs a mentor is ridiculous he has been a pro for 10 years it would be like me suggesting that Melo needs a mentor
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Post#4216 » by NJKnicks12 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:30 am

First post here, was just wondering what everyone thought about this line up. I believe the money would work under the cap as well.

PG: D'Angelo Russell
SG: Danny Green
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Greg Monroe
C: Marc Gasol
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Post#4217 » by And100 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:37 am

NJKnicks12 wrote:First post here, was just wondering what everyone thought about this line up. I believe the money would work under the cap as well.

PG: D'Angelo Russell
SG: Danny Green
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Greg Monroe
C: Marc Gasol


It would not. The money, I mean.
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Post#4218 » by NJKnicks12 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:40 am

And100 wrote:
NJKnicks12 wrote:First post here, was just wondering what everyone thought about this line up. I believe the money would work under the cap as well.

PG: D'Angelo Russell
SG: Danny Green
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Greg Monroe
C: Marc Gasol


It would not. The money, I mean.


Even if they found a way to dump Calderon? How much does everyone see Green getting this offseason?
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Post#4219 » by And100 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:42 am

NJKnicks12 wrote:
And100 wrote:
NJKnicks12 wrote:First post here, was just wondering what everyone thought about this line up. I believe the money would work under the cap as well.

PG: D'Angelo Russell
SG: Danny Green
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Greg Monroe
C: Marc Gasol


It would not. The money, I mean.


Even if they found a way to dump Calderon? How much does everyone see Green getting this offseason?


Let's make this easy - how much cap space do you think the KNicks have and how much do YOU have those FAs signing for?
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Post#4220 » by NJKnicks12 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:49 am

And100 wrote:
NJKnicks12 wrote:
And100 wrote:
It would not. The money, I mean.


Even if they found a way to dump Calderon? How much does everyone see Green getting this offseason?


Let's make this easy - how much cap space do you think the KNicks have and how much do YOU have those FAs signing for?


Well I disagree, I think you would make things much easier if you just answered those questions yourself since you seem to know those answers, but sure I will answer. I was under the assumption if the Knicks found a way to trade Calderon they would have room for 2 max contracts. Gasol would be 1. Then I figured Monoroe would get about 15 million. That is why I am asking how much everyone thinks Green will get.

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