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[joedumars1]

Cavs in 6, I can't pick against the G.O.A.T.

The dude who only showed up in the 2nd quarter? Michael Jeffrey Jordan is the G.O.A.T, Kobe is 2 for now.

[joedumars1]

LMAO CavsIn6 is trending on twitter...a lot of people about to be disappointed...

Dubs in 6 maybe 7

I picked Warriors in 5 last series too, I did pick Hawks in 6 tho. I didn't think the Cavs had as deep of team as they do, but I don't think it will be enough to beat GS either, Steph and Draymond seem to be on missions, I was thinking Warriors in 6, heck maybe 5.

[sc8581]

Cavs in 6, I can't pick against the G.O.A.T.

The dude who only showed up in the 2nd quarter? Michael Jeffrey Jordan is the G.O.A.T, Kobe is 2 for now.

"Only showed up in the 2nd quarter"? Have you lost your mind? He had the most points, rebounds and assist of anyone on either team in the finals, first to ever do that by the way. If the Cavs hit even a somewhat respectable amount of their 3's in the series they take it in 5. Kobe and MJ always had big time help, LeBron had very little help at all.

[joedumars1]

Cavs in 6, I can't pick against the G.O.A.T.

The dude who only showed up in the 2nd quarter? Michael Jeffrey Jordan is the G.O.A.T, Kobe is 2 for now.

"Only showed up in the 2nd quarter"? Have you lost your mind? He had the most points, rebounds and assist of anyone on either team in the finals, first to ever do that by the way. If the Cavs hit even a somewhat respectable amount of their 3's in the series they take it in 5. Kobe and MJ always had big time help, LeBron had very little help at all.

Not denying he didn't have much help. I'm only talking about game six with the 2nd quarter thing. Did you watch the game? He was coasting in the first, the announcers even said that at half. If you're the G.O.A.T I need to see him do what he was doing in the 2nd quarter for the whole game.

[sc8581]

The dude who only showed up in the 2nd quarter? Michael Jeffrey Jordan is the G.O.A.T, Kobe is 2 for now.

"Only showed up in the 2nd quarter"? Have you lost your mind? He had the most points, rebounds and assist of anyone on either team in the finals, first to ever do that by the way. If the Cavs hit even a somewhat respectable amount of their 3's in the series they take it in 5. Kobe and MJ always had big time help, LeBron had very little help at all.

Not denying he didn't have much help. I'm only talking about game six with the 2nd quarter thing. Did you watch the game? He was coasting in the first, the announcers even said that at half. If you're the G.O.A.T I need to see him do what he was doing in the 2nd quarter for the whole game.

Not that easy when you're playing 1 on 5 and the other team makes adjustments. Jordan never had to deal with this, he always had an insane amount of help.

[MrBigShot]

Yeah, MJ had help. But his teams won when they were suppose to win and in scenarios where the other team had a legitimate chance to win. Once he and the Bulls finally surpassed the Bad Boys, what happened? 6-0 in the finals, and the only real loss in the eight season span or so came when he returned in 94-95 to play the last 17 games of the season and never truly got back into form.

For LeBron on the other hand:

Finals 1: Not expected to even get there, let alone win. Not enough talent at all.
Finals 2: Possibly the the worst finals performance by any player that is more or less unanimously considered a top 10 player ever. 2nd worst if you consider Kobe top 10 (I do). LeBron flat out chocked. Believe it or not he was outscored by Chris Bosh.
Finals 3: Dominated like the best player on the planet should.
Finals 4: Ditto.
Finals 5: Played relatively well, but they got crushed. Regardless, he had 2 other all star players and almost the same roster that had just defeated the Spurs the year before.
Finals 6: Not enough help.

So really he had 2/6 finals where he didn't have enough to win, and 4 where he did. And in those 4 his team went 2-2.

[DBC10]

You also got to factor those 6 Finals run for Lebron with the fact that the Eastern conference has been absolutely lolworthy the past 3 years.

[Cowology]

LBJ vs. MJ is legitimately tough. I actually prefer the way LeBron plays the game and support is a very valid argument. Do Love/Kyrie make a difference.

If LBJ is on those Bulls teams do they still win 6? Could MJ have won more than 2 with LeBrons supporting cast?

Tough to say in my mind, but end of the day those are hypotheticals while rings are history. Not a ridiculous conversation to have, but still Jordan in my mind and I'm not sure Lebron can do much to change that unless he wins at least a few more.

[Blkbrd671]

LBJ vs. MJ is legitimately tough. I actually prefer the way LeBron plays the game and support is a very valid argument. Do Love/Kyrie make a difference.

If LBJ is on those Bulls teams do they still win 6? Could MJ have won more than 2 with LeBrons supporting cast?

Tough to say in my mind, but end of the day those are hypotheticals while rings are history. Not a ridiculous conversation to have, but still Jordan in my mind and I'm not sure Lebron can do much to change that unless he wins at least a few more.

great post

The infuriating thing is LBJ , if we really evaluated it, should be better than MJ. He's physcially more imposing and should be more dominant just simply because you can't stop a 265 SF that moves like a guard. MJ was a freak athlete, but there were players that could match up to him from a physical stature standpoint. The fact is that Lebron is not better than MJ and it has to do with the unmeasurable mental aspect of the game. LBJ for whatever reason has a mental hump. I agree that i prefer LBJ's style though, he makes the right decision, just for whatever reason it hasn't translated to championships.

[Montanabadboy]

I'm not a fan of either truthfully. I cheered against Jordan every time he was in the finals and Lebron gets the same treatment from me. But I do admire what they have accomplished. Lebron has taken garbage teams and carried them on his back a long ways, but has come just short of the ultimate goal, usually through no fault of his own. But Jordan got it done. Every. Single. Time.

I've heard many people make the argument that Lebron gets more with less, but few people mention that Lebron has had very little competition to waltz through in the East. Those Celtics, Knicks, Pacers, Magic, teams were tough!!! The Hawks were #1 in the East this year, and the Bulls injury decimated teams, and the flash-in-the-pan Pacers have been the biggest competition Lebron has faced. Weak.

[Pharaoh]

Lebron is like Pippen - extremely talented but not a true alpha

A true Alpha is MJ or Kobe - would rather die than lose.

I'm not saying Lebron doesn't want it bad - of course he does. He just doesn't want it bad enough IMO

[MrBigShot]

MJ was more fundamentally sound in the latter part of his career. LeBron's jumper after all these years is still very suspect and inconsistent, which is strange considering how well he shot last year. But the point is that he's still very reliant on bullying his way to the rim with his strength and athleticism at this stage, while MJ on the other hand made full use of his post game. With the game close down the stretch, LeBron doesn't have a "go to" move. Sometimes he'll isolate, sometimes he'll do a pick and roll, sometimes he'll take a step back jumper...the closest thing he has to a go-to move is his layup off the wrong foot. MJ on the other hand had his patented fadeaway jumper in the post.

I think MJ would've fared better than LeBron did in these finals, as crazy as that might sound. The greatest scorer of all time isn't going to shoot less than 40% while facing so much single coverage. Wouldn't shock me if he dropped 60 in a game and averaged something like 42-48ppg. But, I think in the end his teammates would let him down the way they let LeBron down by missing the open looks he needed them to hit.

[DBC10]

^Jordan did average 50% and averaged 43 ppg against the Bird's Celtics in his first playoff games I believe. So it is certainly in the realm of possibility.

[kurtis48239]

MJ was more fundamentally sound in the latter part of his career. LeBron's jumper after all these years is still very suspect and inconsistent, which is strange considering how well he shot last year. But the point is that he's still very reliant on bullying his way to the rim with his strength and athleticism at this stage, while MJ on the other hand made full use of his post game. With the game close down the stretch, LeBron doesn't have a "go to" move. Sometimes he'll isolate, sometimes he'll do a pick and roll, sometimes he'll take a step back jumper...the closest thing he has to a go-to move is his layup off the wrong foot. MJ on the other hand had his patented fadeaway jumper in the post.

I think MJ would've fared better than LeBron did in these finals, as crazy as that might sound. The greatest scorer of all time isn't going to shoot less than 40% while facing so much single coverage. Wouldn't shock me if he dropped 60 in a game and averaged something like 42-48ppg. But, I think in the end his teammates would let him down the way they let LeBron down by missing the open looks he needed them to hit.

The other thing is ,if jordan were on this cavs team,teammates we have went to the presser with black eyes,he would of not accepted or put up with it.Lebron cant just throw a hissy fit or ignore the guys as some type of punishment or just have them traded.Thats another big difference between the 2.Call it premaddona,crazy,but it got results and the guys thanked him after raising those trophys.The way they handle themselfs to,jordan carried himsef as a man,and lebron looks more like hes trying to carry himself that way,iam not saying the last part had anything to do with lebrons lost,but how hes percieved vs jordan.

[sc8581]

^Jordan did average 50% and averaged 43 ppg against the Bird's Celtics in his first playoff games I believe. So it is certainly in the realm of possibility.

And they didn't win squat that year, they didn't win anything until Jordan got a bunch of good teammates to play with.

[Pharaoh]

Jordan played in an era where hand checking was allowed!

End of story, that's all she wrote!

Imagine him, in his prime, playing against dudes that can't touch him or its a whistle...

You think Jordan wouldn't score 40+ in his prime against defenses that can't touch him?

LMAO

[sc8581]

Jordan played in an era where hand checking was allowed!

End of story, that's all she wrote!

Imagine him, in his prime, playing against dudes that can't touch him or its a whistle...

You think Jordan wouldn't score 40+ in his prime against defenses that can't touch him?

LMAO

Defenders now have so much more length and athleticism, plus they play the ball, evolution yo.

[Pharaoh]

Jordan played in an era where hand checking was allowed!

End of story, that's all she wrote!

Imagine him, in his prime, playing against dudes that can't touch him or its a whistle...

You think Jordan wouldn't score 40+ in his prime against defenses that can't touch him?

LMAO

Defenders now have so much more length and athleticism, plus they play the ball, evolution yo.

Seriously? You're gonna argue the athleticism of today's players & length is gonna kill Jordan?

[Blkbrd671]

Lebron is like Pippen - extremely talented but not a true alpha

A true Alpha is MJ or Kobe - would rather die than lose.

I'm not saying Lebron doesn't want it bad - of course he does. He just doesn't want it bad enough IMO

couldn't have said it any better

[MrBigShot]

Jordan played in an era where hand checking was allowed!

End of story, that's all she wrote!

Imagine him, in his prime, playing against dudes that can't touch him or its a whistle...

You think Jordan wouldn't score 40+ in his prime against defenses that can't touch him?

LMAO

Defenders now have so much more length and athleticism, plus they play the ball, evolution yo.

Seriously? You're gonna argue the athleticism of today's players & length is gonna kill Jordan?

I'm with Pharaoh on this one. All of the length and athleticism of today can't stop Harden from getting to the line and any spot he wants on the court, and he plays for the whistle. MJ plays to dunk in your face. Good luck guarding that.