Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread

[ATL Boy]

^ Alan Anderson. I'd also love to add him (maybe offer a deal worth $5 mil a year if Carroll leaves?), he's a very solid role player.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Also throw in you have NO IDEA what the celtics are going to do (land love? Cousins? LMA?) and we have no idea where the Bucks are going. The bucks have a decent team with Parker coming back.

Panda, would like to see if the Hawks would be interested in Middleton; he had a strong end-of-year and can be had for a decent price that wouldn't do big damage to the cap. We won't know if Korver will be ready until he arrives at Camp.

I wouldn't have an issue with looking at KJ McDaniels either, though he's more of a defender/slasher.

Counting on the draft to help us on the interior.

Middleton is a lock to make 12 mil per year at least and he may get a max.

[Years80HAWKS]

We do not need any kind of center.
We need a center that can play into our system.
If we sign a center who is able of just blocking, rebounding, but is unable to shoot, pass and move without the ball, then we would be attacking with 4 guys, which equals disaster in our system.
The only guy available for us is Monroe. Chandler or López are not the kind of player we need, obviously. Even for a fais price we will not be trying to get them. We need Monroe or nobody.
We could even survive by adding Kaminsky and any other random bench player and keeping Millsap.

I do not think Millsap will ask for a ton of money. He came here two years ago for 9.5 mill when he was one of the best PFs in the league. He signed a short deal. I believe he could do that again. We could pay more for two years again than less for 4/5 years.

Then we of course could bring in a center who is more classical, as Tavares, to develop him. Or someone who is tall, blocks shots, rebounds, defends... but expects to play 8 mins a night.

[DaddyCool19]

I'm from Germany and it seems like Dennis Schröder is kind of a prick.

Right now Bayern Munich is playing against Bamberg in the playoff finals in Germany. Looks like he asked for free tickets on the game day and didn't receive any because the arena was sold out (6700 capacity only... with 30000 persons who wanted a ticket and 23,3k didn't get any). After that he went to Instagram and ranted about them.

The home game before that he received a free ticket(even though it was again sold out) and then appeared with 5 guys and wanted tickets for them too.

Looks like he is no Dirk Nowitzki and doesn't know what humility means after 2 seasons. Hope he matures a lot in the future because the German National Team needs him

[Jamaaliver]

I'm from Germany and it seems like Dennis Schröder is kind of a prick.

Looks like he is no Dirk Nowitzki and doesn't know what humility means after 2 seasons. Hope he matures a lot in the future because the German National Team needs him

Yeah, he certainly lacks humility and still has growing up to do.

But, admittedly, most 21 year old millionaires do.

We do not need any kind of center. We need a center that can play into our system...We need Monroe or nobody.

Yikes. True championship contenders with multiple systems have utilized myriad types of Centers over the last decade. Tyson, Ben Wallace, Bynum have all seen success as Centers who actually played in the paint like big men instead of living on the perimeter.

Even the Spurs utilize Tiago Splitter/Fabricio Oberto in championship runs since Dave Robinson retired. A good coaching staff can make adjustments based on the personnel. A Center like Marc Gasol who can do it all is indeed ideal. But a Center with a good work ethic and high IQ can still be successful in this league.

I don't think our offense (which was effectively shut down against CLE in the playoffs) would completely fall apart because we had a single player who was limited on offense. If anything, the extra spacing our shooters provide could open up the middle of the floor for a real Center capable of owning the paint on offense.

Keep in mind...this braintrust also has drafted Bebe and Edy Tavares. Guys who specifically can only rebound and block shots, but don't know how to pass/move without the ball.

[Yungsta404]

if this system requires having 5 scoring threats at all time and cant afford to have a SINGLE player who isnt a jumpshooter and his main focus is to do the dirty work in the paint area then its obvious that this "system" is different from the spurs and I begin to question bud's offensive creativity and offensive flexibility.

If Bud is the offensive genius that we all have lauded, why cant he make tweaks to his offensive system that doesnt have 5 jumpshooters on the floor at once?

Is Bud really one of those stubborn coaches that is married to his system and isnt willing to adjust and add new personnel with different skill sets? We will see this summer.

[Goudelock]

Danny Ferry is out as GM:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--hawks-plan-to-promote-coach-mike-budenholzer-to-president--part-ways-with-danny-ferry-145028300.html

[Yungsta404]

Danny Ferry is out as GM:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--hawks-plan-to-promote-coach-mike-budenholzer-to-president--part-ways-with-danny-ferry-145028300.html

As expected, however I am NOT a fan of having the head coach also be the main decision maker of personnel.

[Goudelock]

Danny Ferry is out as GM:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--hawks-plan-to-promote-coach-mike-budenholzer-to-president--part-ways-with-danny-ferry-145028300.html

As expected, however I am NOT a fan of having the head coach also be the main decision maker of personnel.

Yeah, I agree. Doc Rivers is the best example of why coaches shouldn't be in charge of personnel decisions.

[MaceCase]

if this system requires having 5 scoring threats at all time and cant afford to have a SINGLE player who isnt a jumpshooter and his main focus is to do the dirty work in the paint area then its obvious that this "system" is different from the spurs and I begin to question bud's offensive creativity and offensive flexibility.

If Bud is the offensive genius that we all have lauded, why cant he make tweaks to his offensive system that doesnt have 5 jumpshooters on the floor at once?

Is Bud really one of those stubborn coaches that is married to his system and isnt willing to adjust and add new personnel with different skill sets? We will see this summer.

No system can overcome its talent. You people can't have it both ways, say the offense got shut down but then demand an even more offensively inept roster which of course is more likely to get shut down. There's nowhere that Bud has turned anyone into better scorers, he's turned a bunch of mediocre scorers into an effective unit together that accentuates each other even if an individual's particular skill set is limited. To claim otherwise only demonstrates your lack of understanding of what exactly it is that Bud has accomplished rather than the actual reality of the situation.

Of course it's not the Spurs, Bud doesn't have nary a guy that can go get him an easy 20 points just by throwing the ball into them and letting them create on their own and thus increasing roster flexibility with the same holding true for the opposite side of the court. Unless your ultimate plan and gripe is "the Hawks need to go get stars" then no, putting some scrub or even a guy that really excels only at rebounding or rim protection is not going to improve the roster. Saying that Bud needs to prove himself when he neither made any claims nor demonstrated any tendency as to what it is you think he should be able to do just goes down on the list of "unrealistic demands by fans".

The Hawks remained a top 5 defense in the postseason despite the claims of rim protection and rebounding, their offense bottomed out to tied for 11th/12th out of 16 teams. I think I know where my money is as far as making improvements to the roster.

[Hawks champs]

Let's just hope he doesn't randomly sign his son to a max deal.
I still find it hilarious that a man will soon decide how many millions his son is worth.

[tbhawksfan1]

Tobias Harris is a RFA and repeatedly mentioned that he wants the max. You're not getting him for 4/40, he won't sign that and Orlando surely would match if he did.

Find a deal he likes or move on to the next guys on the list. Substitute Harris for P Pierce to come in and play in the playoffs or C Brewer on a 2 tear deal . Still think Sap and Carroll will want too much and that we can dobetter things if we go in other directions; like getting younger, bigger and better on the wing.

[Hawk Eye]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/611727147846250497[/tweet]

Looking forward to watching Kane in the SL. He had some good games in his Iowa State days.

[MaceCase]

Tobias Harris is a RFA and repeatedly mentioned that he wants the max. You're not getting him for 4/40, he won't sign that and Orlando surely would match if he did.

Find a deal he likes or move on to the next guys on the list. Substitute Harris for P Pierce to come in and play in the playoffs or C Brewer on a 2 tear deal . Still think Sap and Carroll will want too much and that we can dobetter things if we go in other directions; like getting younger, bigger and better on the wing.

Well the deal he likes is a max. In addition it's a smaller max than he could get from the Magic, even if the Hawks offer it and he accepts there's nothing saying that Orlando wouldn't enjoy retaining him on the discount. Beyond that, I don't get the idea of wanting to get "younger, bigger and better" when the options being bandied about are neither. In a vacuum all that sounds nice but when you get down to it you are going to have to pay to get these guys, they aren't coming in on a discount because a) they are already known products and b) they, and especially their agents, aren't stupid, everyone knows the cap is rising, a "discount" today is barely the mid-level tomorrow. They aren't going to miss an opportunity to cash in now only to watch equal or worse guys making more in a year.

Unless you are fishing for and expecting some guy(s) who has been playing over in Europe or some little used and little regarded backup to come in and absolutely replace the parts that are going out then it makes no sense to scoff at paying Demarre ~12 million but then expect a Wes Matthews Jr. or whomever are going to take ~8 million....... I think it stands to reason that if the market dictates that a player like Demarre Carroll can get 12 million a year then that's going to be the starting or ballpark asking price for a lot of guys of similar ilk. So to me it's either lower the expectations of the types of guys you expect this team to go out and get (hint: expect more Bazemores and Antics) or start getting used to the dollar amounts that are going to be thrown around over the next quarter decade barring a disastrous lockout.

[geeman]

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-nypds-version-of-thabo-sefoloshas-arrest-makes-no-sense

I REALLY THINK IT TIME THE FED TAKE OVER SOME OF THESE ROUGE POLCE FORCES... STARTING WITH THE NYTD " T FOR THUG"

[geeman]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2499743-2015-nba-free-agents-15-sleepers-you-need-to-know/page/2

Maybe a good fit

[Hawk Eye]

Literally never heard of the guy. Has anyone else heard of him?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/peachtreehoops/status/611903942755225600[/tweet]

[PandaKidd]

Hes expected to sign a deal in july? That was fast. 6'4'' Guard. So, must be Shooting Guard im assuming.

[PandaKidd]

Jordan HIll will be available:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238261/Lakers-Unlikely-To-Exercise-$9M-Option-On-Jordan-Hill

Bench rotation CENTER ?

[tbhawksfan1]

Offseason number....can't remember

Starts with a few draft trades.

Korver for #14 / Lamb / Novak

Korver was great in last years accomplishment; until the playoffs. He's older and still limited/lacking in some key things I want from my starting SG. Plus we get a nice deal.

Scott / #59 for a 20's first (#21). Always someone willing to trade out of a late first. Scott is a solid offensive SF/PF off the bench.

Mack for a 2016 late first/early second

#14 / #50 for #11

#15 /#21 for #8

#8 WCS
#11 S Johnson

FAs
R Lopez 4/36
W Matthews 4/32
D Sloan Min
J Smith Min
(all unrestricted)

Lopez / Moose / WCS / Edy T
Horf / Smith*
Carroll / Johnson / Novak*
Matthews / Thabo / Lamb*
JT / Schro / Sloan*

* Expiring

We play to win now and gain a lot of growth. Resign Horf and our first next offseason