2015 Draft Thread - Part 1

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The Bucks want to move *up* from their #17; if they're willing to deal Henson, they must want to move *way* up!

Henson's trade value isn't that high. He's going to be a free agent next year, a year when nearly everyone is going to have cap room. Having Bird Rights when you already have cap room isn't helpful, so effectively, he's a one-year rental, after which he's going to go to the highest bidder.

Ah... got it. Oh well.

[FAH1223]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorgeccastillo/status/613679147123146752[/tweet]

/close thread till we draft the bust

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Castillo says Ernie "has had some success drafting outside the lottery" -- then he lists a train wreck!

[Ruzious]

Hoping some of yousall join the mock draft contest at viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1387134&p=44014407#p44014407 You can edit your mock up until Thursday 6 PM.

And we should do one for this forum - if someone wants to start a thread on it. (I'm too lazy)

[dckingsfan]

I think they should go a step farther and allow them to return if they don't get drafted in the first round...

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13142145/ncaa-proposes-new-nba-draft-rule-allow-underclassmen-return-school

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'd love for Hunter or Portis to fall to us...

If not, I guess I could get enthused about Grant or perhaps Dekker.

Like Anderson a lot, not sure if his game translates.

Ernie will pick none of them.

Jerrell Martin

The one pick that I will absolutely detest...has been the one Ernie Grunfeld selected.

Could be Martin...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Whatever happened to Richaun Holmes?

Haven't really paid much attention but I'm really intrigued by his combination of size and athleticism. Would love to see him end up on the Wizards somehow.

I wouldn't trust the mocks that still have him as a mid to late 1st rounder. He caught all the internet mocks by surprise - measuring it at 6'9.5 and 243 lbs. I see he's still listed by Yahoo a 6'8 214 lbs. Bowling Green's schedule looked weak, and I'm sure that's a major reason he's not ranked higher. Just saw that his coach was fired for getting caught on video inappropriately touching 2 women.

Good riddance! The coach could/should have been fired for only playing Holmes 28 minutes a game.

Richaun Holmes had a PER of 30. Not sure why he played less minutes per game than last season on the same team. Maybe his coach was looking at or feeling on honeys instead of seeing how effective Richaun Holmes played

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'd love for Hunter or Portis to fall to us...

If not, I guess I could get enthused about Grant or perhaps Dekker.

Like Anderson a lot, not sure if his game translates.

Ernie will pick none of them.

Jerrell Martin

You are forgetting Montrezl Harrell !!

My depressing projections are Grant or Harrell -- though in fairness, Grant is likely to be a much better player than Harrell!

My optimistic projections are Looney or (dream dream dream) he's gone but Oubre falls to us -- that kid is a phenomenal talent.

My ultra optimistic projection is that somehow we trade down and Dekker drops to us, we pick up a high R2 guy like Cliff Alexander, then at 49 we get say Joseph Young (? anyone like him at all?). Michael Qualls has somehow fallen off of DR's mock along w/ my guy Alan Williams. So we pick up those two guys as FAs.

W/ Blair, Seraphin, Bynum & Butler off the team, we stock the back of the bench w/ guys who are cheap and have the potential to build the team's core down the road.

Now... I know I've grabbed 5 and only dropped 4 in the above scenario -- it's a motivation thing: we tell them as follows -- "we're going to keep the 4 best of you, and the other one we're going to (fill in the blank)!"

I think Harrell finished at 60% on twos. If nothing else he will throw down a heap of dunks.

I suspect that at 255 and both strong and quick, Harrell will be very effective in the NBA. He will likely be a good defender against players like Millsap, Horford, Carroll, Draymond Green and Kawhi Leonard. He's got both strong positive and strong negative facets to his game.

Being a poor free throw shooter and certainly not a stretch four work against Harrell, but his defense and toughness will serve him well. He's also a good rebounder. He will be pretty good if the Wizards pick him IMO.

Pif, I'll be ecstatic if Joe Young drops to 49 and Washington selects him. He can be an Isaiah Thomas-like steal in round two. The guy is a round one talent for sure IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wrong thread.

[gambitx777]

I don't understand why people are complaining about Grant. He is a solid player, his game is going to translate, he is mature, works hard. And please don't give me that age BS, not at #19. If we took some up side kid and he doesn't work out, and Grant ends up as a nice player people will be changing their tune.

I like Richaun Holmes, I hope we can maybe pick him up somehow.

[dckingsfan]

Would have liked to buy and use a 2nd round pick on George de Paula and then stash him for a year or two while he develops... guess is when he comes back to the draft he will be a first rounder.

[Rafael122]

This is great stuff: http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/06/22/2015-nba-draft-scouting-reports-jahlil-okafor-karl-towns-emmanuel-mudiay

[closg00]

I'd love for Hunter or Portis to fall to us...

If not, I guess I could get enthused about Grant or perhaps Dekker.

Like Anderson a lot, not sure if his game translates.

Ernie will pick none of them.

Jerrell Martin

The one pick that I will absolutely detest...has been the one Ernie Grunfeld selected.

Could be Martin...

I am so desperate to see someone other than Temple/Sessions back-up John that I will take the crumbs. We need someone to knock those two from the rotation.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

[fishercob]

Jerrell Martin

The one pick that I will absolutely detest...has been the one Ernie Grunfeld selected.

Could be Martin...

I am so desperate to see someone other than Temple/Sessions back-up John that I will take the crumbs. We need someone to knock those two from the rotation.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

Sessions is worlds better than Temple. Sessions is a competent NBA backup point guard.

[FAH1223]

I don't understand why people are complaining about Grant. He is a solid player, his game is going to translate, he is mature, works hard. And please don't give me that age BS, not at #19. If we took some up side kid and he doesn't work out, and Grant ends up as a nice player people will be changing their tune.

I like Richaun Holmes, I hope we can maybe pick him up somehow.

It's a safe boring pick though and he's also older than both Beal and Porter

But with the makeup of the roster we don't have a big man worth a damn at the 4 or 5 that's under the age of 25. That's a problem especially with Nene's decline/expiring deal, Humphries being an energy guy, and all the other options being marginal at PF.

Gortat is an iron man of sorts so far.

[fishercob]

I'd love for Hunter or Portis to fall to us...

If not, I guess I could get enthused about Grant or perhaps Dekker.

Like Anderson a lot, not sure if his game translates.

Ernie will pick none of them.

Jerrell Martin

You are forgetting Montrezl Harrell !!

My depressing projections are Grant or Harrell -- though in fairness, Grant is likely to be a much better player than Harrell!

My optimistic projections are Looney or (dream dream dream) he's gone but Oubre falls to us -- that kid is a phenomenal talent.

My ultra optimistic projection is that somehow we trade down and Dekker drops to us, we pick up a high R2 guy like Cliff Alexander, then at 49 we get say Joseph Young (? anyone like him at all?). Michael Qualls has somehow fallen off of DR's mock along w/ my guy Alan Williams. So we pick up those two guys as FAs.

W/ Blair, Seraphin, Bynum & Butler off the team, we stock the back of the bench w/ guys who are cheap and have the potential to build the team's core down the road.

Now... I know I've grabbed 5 and only dropped 4 in the above scenario -- it's a motivation thing: we tell them as follows -- "we're going to keep the 4 best of you, and the other one we're going to (fill in the blank)!"

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorgeccastillo/status/613801826354204672[/tweet]

[TheSecretWeapon]

This is great stuff: http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/06/22/2015-nba-draft-scouting-reports-jahlil-okafor-karl-towns-emmanuel-mudiay

Always interesting to read what scouts think. Stuff like this bugs me more than it probably should though.

He’s not an elite shooter yet, but Bradley Beal only shot 28% from the three-point line in college.

Beal shot 34% from 3pt range in college.

I understand a scout misremembering. Why wouldn't the writer just a) correct the percentage; or b) go back to his source and ask him if his opinion would change if he had the correct percentage?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The one pick that I will absolutely detest...has been the one Ernie Grunfeld selected.

Could be Martin...

I am so desperate to see someone other than Temple/Sessions back-up John that I will take the crumbs. We need someone to knock those two from the rotation.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

Sessions is worlds better than Temple. Sessions is a competent NBA backup point guard.

While I do agree, Temple was darned effective at the start of the season when Beal was out.

[stevemcqueen1]

I don't understand why people are complaining about Grant. He is a solid player, his game is going to translate, he is mature, works hard. And please don't give me that age BS, not at #19. If we took some up side kid and he doesn't work out, and Grant ends up as a nice player people will be changing their tune.

I like Richaun Holmes, I hope we can maybe pick him up somehow.

+1. Nobody is bust proof, anyone can get injured or get drafted into a bad situation and have their confidence ruined. But I feel like Grant is about as safe as it gets. He has strong NBA bloodlines. He has an NBA body and is pretty physically mature at 22. And his game is NBA style. Notre Dame ran as close to an NBA offense as I've seen recently, and Grant was out there doing the things he'll do in the league as a combo guard.

He is one of the most translatable players in the class IMO. My only real concerns about him are his catch and shoot ability and his defense. Will he be willing to grind it out and be a tough defensive player in our system? He has the body for it, but he needs to also embrace the culture. And how much better is his shot going to get? He looks awkward and halting on catch and shoot set shots. Will he put in the work to get that shot to b automatic? It's the key to him going from an iffy streak shooter to a confident one that can play both guard spots interchangeably. We'd want him to be able to play well with either Wall or Beal (or both).

[fishercob]

I am so desperate to see someone other than Temple/Sessions back-up John that I will take the crumbs. We need someone to knock those two from the rotation.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

Sessions is worlds better than Temple. Sessions is a competent NBA backup point guard.

While I do agree, Temple was darned effective at the start of the season when Beal was out.

That was about a 6-8 game stretch, my friend.