Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

Post #261 » by **JDR720** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:46 am

KingCat wrote:I would want the removal of MJ as owner, but i feel he is the only one loyal enough to NC to keep them here. I really dont want a repeat of the Hornets leaving town

get Jerry Richardson to buy them

Liver_Pooty · Post #262 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:46 am

Even if we did surround Jefferson with shooters hes not going to pass the **** ball out. My anger right now for this pick is insane.

Elden Payton · Post #263 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:48 am

BRB going to slit wrists.

Liver_Pooty · Post #264 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:49 am

Regardless, we are better now than we were yesterday. Batum/MKG is a really good wing combo. Jefferson needs to get his fat ass in shape, and if he does thats awesome. Walker just needs to shoot, a lot. Zeller can't shoot right now because our training staff is totally imcompetent, and ruined him of 2 months of his off season.

KingCat · Post #265 » by **KingCat** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:50 am

Damn i guess drafting a shooter means we have no plans of moving Al still....Im a sad panda

Liver_Pooty · Post #266 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:52 am

I mean, Brad Miller was a solid NBA player. Pretty sure he wasn't a lottery pick, but that is Franks ceiling right now. And a damn good comp in my opinion,

Braggins · Post #267 » by **Braggins** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:54 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:People can blame this on Jordan, Cho, whatever. But Clifford has specifically said in the past that if you have a dominant center ( Jefferson, or so he thinks) you surround him with shooters. Its the SVG way. Jefferson is his Howard, and Frank is his Ryan Anderson. Tough to swallow, but its the truth.

He also preaches size and doesn't like small ball. So, in order to get enough shooting we add big slow white PF/C's, while the rest of the league is loading up on long SF's who have the athleticism to match up with guards and strength to guard PF's... Heres to hoping Kaminsky can post up the likes of Lebron, Durant, Leonard, Igoudala, Butler, George, Gay, Antetakoumpo, etc, etc. Otherwise, we are going to get ran off the floor when other teams go small and we won't really be able to punish them.

Liver_Pooty · Post #268 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:54 am

Brad Miller with slightly better range. Solid role player. Thats it.

Liver_Pooty · Post #269 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:56 am

Braggins wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:People can blame this on Jordan, Cho, whatever. But Clifford has specifically said in the past that if you have a dominant center ( Jefferson, or so he thinks) you surround him with shooters. Its the SVG way. Jefferson is his Howard, and Frank is his Ryan Anderson. Tough to swallow, but its the truth.

He also preaches size and doesn't like small ball. So, in order to get enough shooting we add big slow white PF/C's, while the rest of the league is loading up on long SF's who have the athleticism to match up with guards and strength to guard PF's... Heres to hoping Kaminsky can post up the likes of Lebron, Durant, Leonard, Igoudala, Butler, George, Gay, Antetakoumpo, etc, etc. Otherwise, we are going to get ran off the floor when other teams go small and we won't really be able to punish them.

Amile Jefferson who weighs 215 pounds soak and wet threw Kaminsky for a loop in the national title game. Duke went small, put Okafors ass on the bench. And thats why we won.

If people think Zeller is soft, just wait until you see Kaminsky. He tried to bang 19 year old Okafor around down low and bounced off like a ping ball. Pathetic.

Elden Payton · Post #270 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:56 am

Braggins wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:People can blame this on Jordan, Cho, whatever. But Clifford has specifically said in the past that if you have a dominant center ( Jefferson, or so he thinks) you surround him with shooters. Its the SVG way. Jefferson is his Howard, and Frank is his Ryan Anderson. Tough to swallow, but its the truth.

He also preaches size and doesn't like small ball. So, in order to get enough shooting we add big slow white PF/C's, while the rest of the league is loading up on long SF's who have the athleticism to match up with guards and strength to guard PF's... Heres to hoping Kaminsky can post up the likes of Lebron, Durant, Leonard, Igoudala, Butler, George, Gay, Antetakoumpo, etc, etc. Otherwise, we are going to get ran off the floor when other teams go small and we won't really be able to punish them.

Exactly!

Clifford and MJ are stuck in the dark ages.

Cho is a YES man who either can't evaluate talent or has no balls.

Either way he has to go.

DY_nasty · Post #271 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:59 am

yal making it sound like top 10 duke players are a sure thing or something

if this works out, there is massive crow to be served around. i'd be shocked if it doesn't actually. kaminsky isn't a bum by any stretch.

Liver_Pooty · Post #272 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:01 am

DY_nasty wrote:yal making it sound like top 10 duke players are a sure thing or something

if this works out, there is massive crow to be served around. i'd be shocked if it doesn't actually. kaminsky isn't a bum by any stretch.

No one is saying hes a bum. Hes going to be a good player, but passing on Winslow.

Damn.

Post #273 » by **JDR720** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:03 am

Cho press conference

http://www.nba.com/hornets/rich-cho-draft-night-6/25/15

KingCat · Post #274 » by **KingCat** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:04 am

Braggins wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:People can blame this on Jordan, Cho, whatever. But Clifford has specifically said in the past that if you have a dominant center ( Jefferson, or so he thinks) you surround him with shooters. Its the SVG way. Jefferson is his Howard, and Frank is his Ryan Anderson. Tough to swallow, but its the truth.

He also preaches size and doesn't like small ball. So, in order to get enough shooting we add big slow white PF/C's, while the rest of the league is loading up on long SF's who have the athleticism to match up with guards and strength to guard PF's... Heres to hoping Kaminsky can post up the likes of Lebron, Durant, Leonard, Igoudala, Butler, George, Gay, Antetakoumpo, etc, etc. Otherwise, we are going to get ran off the floor when other teams go small and we won't really be able to punish them.

Good point. Frank's success really depends on how well his post game translates to the NBA. If it just disappears like Cody's did (wait did Cody even have a post game in Indiana?) then we just passed on Winslow for Channig Fyre.

Braggins · Post #275 » by **Braggins** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:06 am

DY_nasty wrote:yal making it sound like top 10 duke players are a sure thing or something

if this works out, there is massive crow to be served around. i'd be shocked if it doesn't actually. kaminsky isn't a bum by any stretch.

Kaminsky will be a good NBA player. I still think we reached big time and there wasn't really much of a point in adding another player like him over players with more upside, especially someone with a relatively high floor like Winslow. We replace Lance, Hendo, and Vonleh, with Batum, Lamb, and Hawes. We don't even need another big. We still need talent and wing depth more than anything.

SeanBobcats · Post #276 » by **SeanBobcats** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:11 am

Kaminsky is probably a very safe pick but why pass on the guy with the higher upside in Winslow? I just don't get it. It's almost just super obvious that Cho has had his mind set on Kaminsky since like February or something. We didn't even work Frank out for Christ's sake.

Braggins · Post #277 » by **Braggins** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:14 am

Sik Infant wrote:
Braggins wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:People can blame this on Jordan, Cho, whatever. But Clifford has specifically said in the past that if you have a dominant center ( Jefferson, or so he thinks) you surround him with shooters. Its the SVG way. Jefferson is his Howard, and Frank is his Ryan Anderson. Tough to swallow, but its the truth.

He also preaches size and doesn't like small ball. So, in order to get enough shooting we add big slow white PF/C's, while the rest of the league is loading up on long SF's who have the athleticism to match up with guards and strength to guard PF's... Heres to hoping Kaminsky can post up the likes of Lebron, Durant, Leonard, Igoudala, Butler, George, Gay, Antetakoumpo, etc, etc. Otherwise, we are going to get ran off the floor when other teams go small and we won't really be able to punish them.

Exactly!

Clifford and MJ are stuck in the dark ages.

Cho is a YES man who either can't evaluate talent or has no balls.

Either way he has to go.

I've always though Cho seemed smart but became too much of a yes man. I'm not sure if thats really the case anymore, but either way its bad...

I was critical of these off-season trades initially, but after further evaluation I started to feel like there was a plan emerging that would be punctuated at the draft. Boy, was I imagining things... If there was a plan it just fell flat on its face. I think the only way for this to all make sense is if we trade Al.

Braggins · Post #278 » by **Braggins** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:15 am

SeanBobcats wrote:Kaminsky is probably a very safe pick but why pass on the guy with the higher upside in Winslow? I just don't get it. It's almost just super obvious that Cho has had his mind set on Kaminsky since like February or something. We didn't even work Frank out for Christ's sake.

We were so certain and so hardcore about hiding our intentions that we didn't even work him out or interview him. Its insane.

LamarMatic7 · Post #279 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:16 am

Lol. Third power forward in three years. Acquiring Spencer Hawes and Frank Kaminsky back-to-back.

Let's just continue the Twin Peaks reaction theme.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWa0dZMHYeE[/youtube]

DY_nasty · Post #280 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:18 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:yal making it sound like top 10 duke players are a sure thing or something

if this works out, there is massive crow to be served around. i'd be shocked if it doesn't actually. kaminsky isn't a bum by any stretch.

No one is saying hes a bum. Hes going to be a good player, but passing on Winslow.

Damn.

yeah people kinda are

if you can't tell the difference between hawes and kaminsky then you're just in your feelings. dude can play solid 1 on 1 defense in the post too. you could tell that just by looking at the final four run.

yeah winslow might be dope, but other teams passed on him too. this is the first time i've ever actually felt that cho and clifford were on the same page tbh.