Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

[Amateur Wannabe]

Not quite happy with the pick. My best guess is that they want to have couple of good 3pt shooters in game all the time, so MKG's lack of range could be compensated, thus him getting more minutes per game.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Has anyone read a single publication that likes this pick? I know that doesn't matter, but perception wise for the future it does.

[UNCNYC]

I think Kamisky will be a decent pro. He is just not good enough to play pf full time because he is a bit slow. He needs to play center. He has skill being able to finish with both hands and pass ok not to mention hes a really good shooter.

[predators]

Has anyone read a single publication that likes this pick? I know that doesn't matter, but perception wise for the future it does.

Spears gave us a B, but gave the heat an A+. The majority of the outrage is the fact that Winslow was still on the board. I think people would be slightly only be slightly less pissed if the pick was Booker or Myles Turner. I hate the pick either way.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2015-nba-draft-first-round-grades--analysis-005216414.html

[BuzzCat]

Well now we can officially name our trio of white 7 footers.

Any proposals?


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[stinger14]

It amazes me, everybody keeps talking about how good of a shooter Frank is. Look at a comparison to guy we just passed on to draft this garbage.

Frank 41% from deep as a Senior
Winslow 41% from deep as a Freshman

But people say Winslow can't shoot, LOL!!! 3 years younger and already as good as this other guy. Now consider that Winslow is a better basketball player than Frank right now and again is 3 years younger. Winslow (Duke) beat Frank (Wisconsin) twice on the court last year, and now he has beat him off the court because he is going to a winning franchise, while Frank is coming to an organization run by idiots

[MasterIchiro]

It amazes me, everybody keeps talking about how good of a shooter Frank is. Look at a comparison to guy we just passed on to draft this garbage.

Frank 41% from deep as a Senior
Winslow 41% from deep as a Freshman

But people say Winslow can't shoot, LOL!!! 3 years younger and already as good as this other guy. Now consider that Winslow is a better basketball player than Frank right now and again is 3 years younger. Winslow (Duke) beat Frank (Wisconsin) twice on the court last year, and now he has beat him off the court because he is going to a winning franchise, while Frank is coming to an organization run by idiots

When asked by Bonnell, Cho explained they had Frank ranked higher than Winslow. I wouldn't be surprised if they had Frank ranked over Hezonja.

[stinger14]

It amazes me, everybody keeps talking about how good of a shooter Frank is. Look at a comparison to guy we just passed on to draft this garbage.

Frank 41% from deep as a Senior
Winslow 41% from deep as a Freshman

But people say Winslow can't shoot, LOL!!! 3 years younger and already as good as this other guy. Now consider that Winslow is a better basketball player than Frank right now and again is 3 years younger. Winslow (Duke) beat Frank (Wisconsin) twice on the court last year, and now he has beat him off the court because he is going to a winning franchise, while Frank is coming to an organization run by idiots

When asked by Bonnell, Cho explained they had Frank ranked higher than Winslow. I wouldn't be surprised if they had Frank ranked over Hezonja.

MJ wanted Frank, Cho is covering his rear about BPA questions. No way anybody ranks Frank over Winslow and if they do, then he don't belong in this league. I'm ready for a different coach and GM

[Braggins]

It amazes me, everybody keeps talking about how good of a shooter Frank is. Look at a comparison to guy we just passed on to draft this garbage.

Frank 41% from deep as a Senior
Winslow 41% from deep as a Freshman

But people say Winslow can't shoot, LOL!!! 3 years younger and already as good as this other guy. Now consider that Winslow is a better basketball player than Frank right now and again is 3 years younger. Winslow (Duke) beat Frank (Wisconsin) twice on the court last year, and now he has beat him off the court because he is going to a winning franchise, while Frank is coming to an organization run by idiots

When asked by Bonnell, Cho explained they had Frank ranked higher than Winslow. I wouldn't be surprised if they had Frank ranked over Hezonja.

He was probably in their top 5.

[MasterIchiro]

It amazes me, everybody keeps talking about how good of a shooter Frank is. Look at a comparison to guy we just passed on to draft this garbage.

Frank 41% from deep as a Senior
Winslow 41% from deep as a Freshman

But people say Winslow can't shoot, LOL!!! 3 years younger and already as good as this other guy. Now consider that Winslow is a better basketball player than Frank right now and again is 3 years younger. Winslow (Duke) beat Frank (Wisconsin) twice on the court last year, and now he has beat him off the court because he is going to a winning franchise, while Frank is coming to an organization run by idiots

When asked by Bonnell, Cho explained they had Frank ranked higher than Winslow. I wouldn't be surprised if they had Frank ranked over Hezonja.

MJ wanted Frank, Cho is covering his rear about BPA questions. No way anybody ranks Frank over Winslow and if they do, then he don't belong in this league. I'm ready for a different coach and GM

That's just a rumor with no way to prove it. The logic is Cho is the chief decision maker. MJ is the guy who signs checks. He doesn't have time to scout all these players. Like fans, he watches them on tape/TV. Cho makes these trips to the Big Ten, assembles scouts, compiles all the data and presents it to his boss. If MJ were a lone wolf making a terrible mistake, Cho should have intervened with an ARMY of scouts pleading with MJ to reconsider. They would have theoretically a mountain of data on their side. There was no dissent. There was no resistance. There was no intervention. To say that Cho, the chief decision maker, had zero to do with this pick is incredibly naive. It's far more likely the clown patrol commandeered by Cho informed the decision.

[stinger14]

When asked by Bonnell, Cho explained they had Frank ranked higher than Winslow. I wouldn't be surprised if they had Frank ranked over Hezonja.

MJ wanted Frank, Cho is covering his rear about BPA questions. No way anybody ranks Frank over Winslow and if they do, then he don't belong in this league. I'm ready for a different coach and GM

That's just a rumor with no way to prove it. The logic is Cho is the chief decision maker. MJ is the guy who signs checks. He doesn't have time to scout all these players. Like fans, he watches them on tape/TV. Cho makes these trips to the Big Ten, assembles scouts, compiles all the data and presents it to his boss. If MJ were a lone wolf making a terrible mistake, Cho should have intervened with an ARMY of scouts pleading with MJ to reconsider. They would have theoretically a mountain of data on their side. There was no dissent. There was no resistance. There was no intervention. To say that Cho, the chief decision maker, had zero to do with this pick is incredibly naive. It's far more likely the clown patrol commandeered by Cho informed the decision.

I don't know what exactly happened cause I wasn't there, but I do know that it is ultimately the responsibility of Cho to build the roster. I feel we need a new GM and Coach

[MasterIchiro]

MJ wanted Frank, Cho is covering his rear about BPA questions. No way anybody ranks Frank over Winslow and if they do, then he don't belong in this league. I'm ready for a different coach and GM

That's just a rumor with no way to prove it. The logic is Cho is the chief decision maker. MJ is the guy who signs checks. He doesn't have time to scout all these players. Like fans, he watches them on tape/TV. Cho makes these trips to the Big Ten, assembles scouts, compiles all the data and presents it to his boss. If MJ were a lone wolf making a terrible mistake, Cho should have intervened with an ARMY of scouts pleading with MJ to reconsider. They would have theoretically a mountain of data on their side. There was no dissent. There was no resistance. There was no intervention. To say that Cho, the chief decision maker, had zero to do with this pick is incredibly naive. It's far more likely the clown patrol commandeered by Cho informed the decision.

I don't know what exactly happened cause I wasn't there, but I do know that it is ultimately the responsibility of Cho to build the roster. I feel we need a new GM and Coach

Well good, this is a start. We do know MJ is itching to make the team competitive in advance of the 2017 All Star Game hosted by Charlotte. So we know Cho is under pressure to convert some of his long term projects into more impact on offense. But MJ's job is to put pressure on management if they're not performing to his expectations. An effective management team would insulate itself from outright mindless bullying/intimidation. They have mountains of data to use as a tool to contend with a boss who insists on meddling. I'm unsure of the dynamic between Cho's team, MJ and Cliff but if I had to guess I would say Cho's team informs major decisions and influences MJ and Cliff plays along because it's not in his job description to be a front office decision maker. He's a coach. MJ signs the checks. I feel it would be a bit more challenging to remove the coach. The GM doesn't have daily contact with the players and doesn't have the same close bonds that develop as they push through the grinds of an NBA schedule through months and months of tragedy and triumph. Cliff is a player's coach. I'm excited to see what he can do with the latest pu pu platter presented by Cho.

[martymane]

I'll get killed for this opinion:

If you are comparing Frank to Zeller or Adam Morrison, you don't watch basketball. His game is completely different from both of them. For starters Kaminsky shoots 42% from 3. Booker shoots 41%. He will be a pick and pop nightmare w/ Kemba and can help us right away. He puts the ball on the floor which is what really separates him from other 7 foot 1 players. How many other 7'1 dudes can shot fake from 3, put on a quick spin move in the lane then finish at the rim in one dribble?

How many time did Zeller miss that elbow jumper or was hesitant to shoot? Frank is an elite shooter at any size, arguably the best in the draft.

If you want to hate him for saying what he said about Charlotte at 21 years old that's fine. I don't really get why people are mad however, because literally the reason we are the Hornets now is b/c everyone hated the Bobcats. No one wanted to support them so our attendance blew and the games were boring. Why are people angry at him for saying it looks boring vs. playing in front of 17,000 night in and night out? He was just speaking the truth and already apologized. The Hornets are not the Bobcats as far as support and the overall aura.

There is a reason 9 teams passed on Winslow. Just like Legler said this morning, every NBA team has two Winslows right now. 6'4 guys who can play defense. Yes, he might develop into a star but right now he can't shoot the NBA 3 and is undersized at SF. If you think MKG is the future, then why bring in a guy with his same skillset? I think Winslow is kind of a tweener who's great tourney run got everyone on the hype train.

When he starts hitting step back 3's like Harden, I'll eat crow. He's going to be a good player but I don''t see a star by any means. For a team who is the worst in the league in shooting, which causes congestion on the offensive end, why would we want Winslow?

So we can trot out a lineup of Kemba, Winslow, MKG, ? Zeller, and Al? I would just sit back and let our entire team shoot...

Kemba, Batum, MKG, Frank, Al is much more difficult to guard and will present a lot of problems to opposing defenses. I've hated all of our picks in the past but I'm in the minority on liking this one. When Frank starts dominating summer league, people will warm up to him.

[catch20two]

They love tryna cover for Cho. Lol smh

[LofJ]

I'm crazy for this, but I'm still holding out hope that there was some truth to the pick swap rumor with regards to the Knicks. Marvin, Kaminsky, and our 2016 1st for Calderon and Porzingis.

[stinger14]

That's just a rumor with no way to prove it. The logic is Cho is the chief decision maker. MJ is the guy who signs checks. He doesn't have time to scout all these players. Like fans, he watches them on tape/TV. Cho makes these trips to the Big Ten, assembles scouts, compiles all the data and presents it to his boss. If MJ were a lone wolf making a terrible mistake, Cho should have intervened with an ARMY of scouts pleading with MJ to reconsider. They would have theoretically a mountain of data on their side. There was no dissent. There was no resistance. There was no intervention. To say that Cho, the chief decision maker, had zero to do with this pick is incredibly naive. It's far more likely the clown patrol commandeered by Cho informed the decision.

I don't know what exactly happened cause I wasn't there, but I do know that it is ultimately the responsibility of Cho to build the roster. I feel we need a new GM and Coach

Well good, this is a start. We do know MJ is itching to make the team competitive in advance of the 2017 All Star Game hosted by Charlotte. So we know Cho is under pressure to convert some of his long term projects into more impact on offense. But MJ's job is to put pressure on management if they're not performing to his expectations. An effective management team would insulate itself from outright mindless bullying/intimidation. They have mountains of data to use as a tool to contend with a boss who insists on meddling. I'm unsure of the dynamic between Cho's team, MJ and Cliff but if I had to guess I would say Cho's team informs major decisions and influences MJ and Cliff plays along because it's not in his job description to be a front office decision maker. He's a coach. MJ signs the checks. I feel it would be a bit more challenging to remove the coach. The GM doesn't have daily contact with the players and doesn't have the same close bonds that develop as they push through the grinds of an NBA schedule through months and months of tragedy and triumph. Cliff is a player's coach. I'm excited to see what he can do with the latest pu pu platter presented by Cho.

I want Cliff gone too. His system is broke, and he is stubborn and stuck in his ways. The players that love him are the ones that consistently do not perform but continue to play because Cliff and his way of thinking. Then he will go out of his way to defend them in the media while never giving anybody else any credit. Example last year when big Al sucked, he always defended him. When Biz started those games, he would not give him any credit even though he was a much better player than Al last year.

[MasterIchiro]

I'll get killed for this opinion:

If you are comparing Frank to Zeller or Adam Morrison, you don't watch basketball. His game is completely different from both of them. For starters Kaminsky shoots 42% from 3. Booker shoots 41%. He will be a pick and pop nightmare w/ Kemba and can help us right away. He puts the ball on the floor which is what really separates him from other 7 foot 1 players. How many other 7'1 dudes can shot fake from 3, put on a quick spin move in the lane then finish at the rim in one dribble?

How many time did Zeller miss that elbow jumper or was hesitant to shoot? Frank is an elite shooter at any size, arguably the best in the draft.

If you want to hate him for saying what he said about Charlotte at 21 years old that's fine. I don't really get why people are mad however, because literally the reason we are the Hornets now is b/c everyone hated the Bobcats. No one wanted to support them so our attendance blew and the games were boring. Why are people angry at him for saying it looks boring vs. playing in front of 17,000 night in and night out? He was just speaking the truth and already apologized. The Hornets are not the Bobcats as far as support and the overall aura.

There is a reason 9 teams passed on Winslow. Just like Legler said this morning, every NBA team has two Winslows right now. 6'4 guys who can play defense. Yes, he might develop into a star but right now he can't shoot the NBA 3 and is undersized at SF. If you think MKG is the future, then why bring in a guy with his same skillset? I think Winslow is kind of a tweener who's great tourney run got everyone on the hype train.

When he starts hitting step back 3's like Harden, I'll eat crow. He's going to be a good player but I don''t see a star by any means. For a team who is the worst in the league in shooting, which causes congestion on the offensive end, why would we want Winslow?

So we can trot out a lineup of Kemba, Winslow, MKG, ? Zeller, and Al? I would just sit back and let our entire team shoot...

Kemba, Batum, MKG, Frank, Al is much more difficult to guard and will present a lot of problems to opposing defenses. I've hated all of our picks in the past but I'm in the minority on liking this one. When Frank starts dominating summer league, people will warm up to him.

+1 from me. Good post. I still prefer Booker over Frank and if we were closer to the earliest phase of our rebuild I think Booker would have been the pick. Winslow and WCS would provide no offense. I was actually kind of frightened by those picks and would only want them if they could be flipped. We see how that worked out with last draft's fallen prospect (Vonleh).

[stinger14]

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I'll get killed for this opinion:

If you are comparing Frank to Zeller or Adam Morrison, you don't watch basketball. His game is completely different from both of them. For starters Kaminsky shoots 42% from 3. Booker shoots 41%. He will be a pick and pop nightmare w/ Kemba and can help us right away. He puts the ball on the floor which is what really separates him from other 7 foot 1 players. How many other 7'1 dudes can shot fake from 3, put on a quick spin move in the lane then finish at the rim in one dribble?

How many time did Zeller miss that elbow jumper or was hesitant to shoot? Frank is an elite shooter at any size, arguably the best in the draft.

If you want to hate him for saying what he said about Charlotte at 21 years old that's fine. I don't really get why people are mad however, because literally the reason we are the Hornets now is b/c everyone hated the Bobcats. No one wanted to support them so our attendance blew and the games were boring. Why are people angry at him for saying it looks boring vs. playing in front of 17,000 night in and night out? He was just speaking the truth and already apologized. The Hornets are not the Bobcats as far as support and the overall aura.

There is a reason 9 teams passed on Winslow. Just like Legler said this morning, every NBA team has two Winslows right now. 6'4 guys who can play defense. Yes, he might develop into a star but right now he can't shoot the NBA 3 and is undersized at SF. If you think MKG is the future, then why bring in a guy with his same skillset? I think Winslow is kind of a tweener who's great tourney run got everyone on the hype train.

When he starts hitting step back 3's like Harden, I'll eat crow. He's going to be a good player but I don''t see a star by any means. For a team who is the worst in the league in shooting, which causes congestion on the offensive end, why would we want Winslow?

So we can trot out a lineup of Kemba, Winslow, MKG, ? Zeller, and Al? I would just sit back and let our entire team shoot...

Kemba, Batum, MKG, Frank, Al is much more difficult to guard and will present a lot of problems to opposing defenses. I've hated all of our picks in the past but I'm in the minority on liking this one. When Frank starts dominating summer league, people will warm up to him.

So let me get this straight,

Frank shot 41% from deep as a SENIOR and he is a great shooter

Winslow shot 41% from deep as a FRESHMAN But he can't shoot

[EwingSweatsALot]

Frank is wearing a shirt with a nice big ass on it on his first day on the job. Warming up to him now.

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[martymane]

+1 from me. Good post. I still prefer Booker over Frank and if we were closer to the earliest phase of our rebuild I think Booker would have been the pick. Winslow and WCS would provide no offense. I was actually kind of frightened by those picks and would only want them if they could be flipped. We see how that worked out with last draft's fallen prospect (Vonleh).

Exactly... Last year, we took a dude in Vonleh who fell to us and it didn't work out. We just had a Duke SG in Hendo who couldn't shoot and everyone was clamoring for him to be shipped out. He finally is, then we want another Duke SG who won't be a consistent shooter is this league.

Yes, I know he shot well last year from the college 3, but he was also the third/fourth option until the end of the year for Duke and was left wide open many times. What's he going to do when 6'7 SG's like Klay Thompson are all over him?

I actually liked us sticking to our gut and taking Frank. I've watched all of his workout vids and he is as pure a shooter as anyone in the draft. Leave him open, he will fill it up. Close out too hard and he'll go to the hole. He doesn't have a flail around post game like a Zeller or Hansbrough. He makes quick decisive post moves and scored at will against all the best big men in the NCAA. If you remember, Zeller had a down year before us drafting him for his athletic ability. The knock on him was that he couldn't score in the paint which showed in his soph season at Indiana b/c of his T-Rex arms.

Well, Frank can flat out score the ball from anywhere at 7'1. If he was a Euro, people would love him b/c he'd be in the mix with Porzingis and Herzonaj. I honestly can't believe people are this upset. If Kaminsky does turn out to be a great pro, the "Frank the Tank" marketing will be off the charts. Jordan is a gambler and I actually like this pick.