Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

Post #441 » by **JDR720** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:27 pm

im slowly warming up to the pick, he is the most skilled big in the draft. nothing on offense that he cant do, im concerned about his defense and lack of athletic ability/length though.

UNCNYC · Post #442 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:35 pm

Sik Infant wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
We got offered upto 6 picks for the #9?

4 first rounders? (would have been both BKN picks)

MJ can suck a massive dick.

**** this guy.

MJ you are a piece of ****.

I hate you.

I promise you they were not good picks or Boston would be leaking exactly what picks were offered. The article said they were offered six picks, four of which were "potential" 1st round picks. So it was probably No. 16 & 28, the Minny pick (read two seconds), and maybe the 2018 Brooklyn pick or another protected pick. That's a weak offer for a top 10 pick. You're trading the best asset and you're trading it now for a bunch of middling picks. You saw what was left on the board when Boston was picking.

It's a terrible offer for Justise Winslow but a great offer for Frank Kaminsky.

I would have taken it. Why is everyone acting like Justice Winslow is Eddie or Carl Winslow lol. I would have taken it and drafted GRANT. The Knicks wanted him so bad they gave hardaway and 2 second rounders. I woulda took Grant with 16 and took wood or cedi with 28. I think Grant alone will be better than both Kaminsky and Winslow and we would have had picks for the futue which we could have packaged or used for cash.

KingCat · Post #443 » by **KingCat** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:37 pm

Hearing the same exact things about this guy that I heard about Zeller. Not high upside, but safe pick; will be able to play immediately. This was not the case with Zeller as he was almost as big of a project as Biz, hope this isnt the case with Frank.

UNCNYC · Post #444 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:40 pm

and we werew stupid to turn down that trade because this draft went exactly 16 deep with talent. Maybe 20 at best but 16 with GRANT being number 16. We were guaranteed to get Grant at minimum. Oubre was 15.

mattcampbell · Post #445 » by **mattcampbell** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:49 pm

KingCat wrote:Hearing the same exact things about this guy that I heard about Zeller. Not high upside, but safe pick; will be able to play immediately. This was not the case with Zeller as he was almost as big of a project as Biz, hope this isnt the case with Frank.

Zeller was a project because we took a back to the basket college center, planted him out on the perimeter where he wasn't used to playing, and asked him to do things he never did.

Frank has played as a stretch big at a high level the last two years. He has experience doing what we're going to want him to do here, and helped carry his team to a championship berth in the process. I'm thinking his transition should be a lot smoother than Zeller's.

BuzzCat · Post #446 » by **BuzzCat** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:19 am

Think i'm warming up to this as well. Took a few of naps today thinking about this. We can plug him in to play the 4. Shoot maybe he turns into Dirk or something, thats wishful thinking. I think I was more upset last night with the fact that we passed Winslow, and I realize that the front office is in a win now stage, and Winslow is sort of kind of a project while Frank seems like he can come in here and produce some decent numbers.

Eoghan · Post #447 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:13 am

Should've taken that Boston deal. Brooklyn picks are worth their weight in gold as long as Billy King is their GM. They just gave away probably 2 of their future best players to Portland. Nope, top 10 pick on the next Pat Garrity.

stinger14 · Post #448 » by **stinger14** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:19 am

UNCNYC wrote:and we werew stupid to turn down that trade because this draft went exactly 16 deep with talent. Maybe 20 at best but 16 with GRANT being number 16. We were guaranteed to get Grant at minimum. Oubre was 15.

So very true....draft Grant at 16 and Hunter at 28, and still have what could turn out to be a very high Nets pick. Grant and Hunter already would be better than Frank, heck just Grant will be better in my opinion

Post #449 » by **JDR720** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:22 am

BrotherDave wrote:Should've taken that Boston deal. Brooklyn picks are worth their weight in gold as long as Billy King is their GM. They just gave away probably 2 of their future best players to Portland. Nope, top 10 pick on the next Pat Garrity.

the only way we dont lose this draft is if frank become an all-star.

winslow > frank
nets picks > frank
most things > frank

MJ should stay away from basketball decisions, he should know he isn't good at them.

Braggins · Post #450 » by **Braggins** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:32 am

The Boston deal was way more value than what Frank holds. I would have taken 16 + Olynyk over Frank. I still would have been pissed had we made that deal instead of just taking Winslow or Booker, but had I known that we were going to just stay put and take Frank I would have been begging for some mediocre offer like 16 + Olynyk or 16 + 28. I went into this draft thinking the worst case scenario was taking someone who MIGHT be a slight reach at 9, like Booker or Oubre. I am still in shock and feel like a massive idiot for arguing against guys like that when right now I would give my left nut to have Booker instead of Frank.

Post #451 » by **floppymoose** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:42 am

I had a nightmare and here is what I saw:

Post #452 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:48 am

Our FO turned down an offer of which the only thing we know for certain is 7 other teams also turned down.

Do you really think the offer went up the farther down Winslow slid? There's just way too much rampant speculation here from a FO that clearly didn't have things go the way they wanted on draft night.

Braggins · Post #453 » by **Braggins** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:50 am

yosemiteben wrote:Our FO turned down an offer of which the only thing we know for certain is 7 other teams also turned down.

Do you really think the offer went up the farther down Winslow slid? There's just way too much rampant speculation here from a FO that clearly didn't have things go the way they wanted on draft night.

Look at the players the other teams turned down that offer for and it makes a lot more sense. We turned down the offer for Frank Kaminsky... How did things not go right for us on draft night? A top 6 talent at a position need fell into our laps and we CHOSE to pass on him to reach for a 4 year college player at a position where we already had a log jam.

Post #454 » by **fatlever** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:54 am

stinger14 wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:and we werew stupid to turn down that trade because this draft went exactly 16 deep with talent. Maybe 20 at best but 16 with GRANT being number 16. We were guaranteed to get Grant at minimum. Oubre was 15.

So very true....draft Grant at 16 and Hunter at 28, and still have what could turn out to be a very high Nets pick. Grant and Hunter already would be better than Frank, heck just Grant will be better in my opinion

You guys all know we would have probably taken Dekker at 16 or Hunter at 16 (not 28). Then we would have traded 28 for a future 1st in 2018 or a handful of 2nds, or stashed a Euro. They didn't want to bring in two guys in 1st round deals when we already have 12 under contract + Biz and Mo as free agents.

Post #455 » by **fatlever** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:57 am

floppymoose wrote:I had a nightmare and here is what I saw:

That is definitely a nightmare and funny. But on a serious note, not really similar players. Mullens is one of the dumbest players I've ever watched.

Post #456 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:57 am

Braggins wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Our FO turned down an offer of which the only thing we know for certain is 7 other teams also turned down.

Do you really think the offer went up the farther down Winslow slid? There's just way too much rampant speculation here from a FO that clearly didn't have things go the way they wanted on draft night.

Look at the players the other teams turned down that offer for and it makes a lot more sense. We turned down the offer for Frank Kaminsky... How did things not go right for us on draft night? A top 6 talent at a position need fell into our laps and we CHOSE to pass on him to reach for a 4 year college player at a position where we already had a log jam.

Again, I don't mind being upset about passing on Winslow (although saying we're terrible after all these trades and draft and you aren't going to watch us is a bit dramatic). I just think it's pretty obviously sour grapes from Boston.

ETA: When I said things didn't go right on draft night, I was referring to BOS, not us.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #457 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:59 am

fatlever wrote:
stinger14 wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:and we werew stupid to turn down that trade because this draft went exactly 16 deep with talent. Maybe 20 at best but 16 with GRANT being number 16. We were guaranteed to get Grant at minimum. Oubre was 15.

So very true....draft Grant at 16 and Hunter at 28, and still have what could turn out to be a very high Nets pick. Grant and Hunter already would be better than Frank, heck just Grant will be better in my opinion

You guys all know we would have probably taken Dekker at 16 or Hunter at 16 (not 28). Then we would have traded 28 for a future 1st in 2018 or a handful of 2nds, or stashed a Euro. They didn't want to bring in two guys in 1st round deals when we already have 12 under contract + Biz and Mo as free agents.

I think this is one of the main reasons they didn't do that deal. Not that it wasn't enough, but almost in a sense it was too much too early. And the fact Jordan gets a boner when thinking about Kaminsky.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #458 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:01 am

As much as I have trashed the pick and not taking that trade. I will say that in certain circumstances this was a good pick. After the trades taking Kaminsky at 9 is a smart play. I just hate the fact that Winslow was there and we didn't take him. If Winslow was gone and we were choosing between Kaminsky, Johnson, and Booker I would have been pleased, but we weren't. That just frustrates me.

catch20two · Post #459 » by **catch20two** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:02 am

Braggins wrote:Frank Kaminsky...a 4 year college player

I like Frank but you keep making me scared of his potential with this "4 year college player" stuff. That's something I would use to debate against a player. My happiness in him is that I know he'll be better than Zeller offensively so I can live with that. I blame Cho for the Zeller and Vonleh picks more than this one since he eventually went all-in on this one after logjamming it already since Mcbob.

Post #460 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:03 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:As much as I have trashed the pick and not taking that trade. I will say that in certain circumstances this was a good pick. After the trades taking Kaminsky at 9 is a smart play. I just hate the fact that Winslow was there and we didn't take him. If Winslow was gone and we were choosing between Kaminsky, Johnson, and Booker I would have been pleased, but we weren't. That just frustrates me.

That's exactly how I feel, especially as a Duke fan.