The Bismack Biyombo Thread II

[Braggins]

The lineup in question had Marv at PF and Hendo at SG and still saw success. Replace Hendo with Batum and Marv with Kaminsky and you might of had a damn good starting unit.

We were last in the league in 3PT%. We had terrible offensive efficiency. We need something drastic done.

I will judge this move, like all the others, on their merits when I see how it all shakes out next season. I am excited about this new direction.

I wish we had extended the QO to Biz, but, like I've already said, I don't think it impacts significantly either way next season. We'll see what kind of offers he gets this offseason and how he does and we do next season.

The problem is that Cho basically expended all the assets he acquired during the rebuild for a team that still isn't close to being a lock for the 8th seed. There is really nowhere to go from here if these moves don't work out. There aren't anymore assets left to consolidate into better players and there isn't a ton of room for the players already here to develop. If this team doesn't make it out of the first round the next two seasons it will probably have to be blown up. How confident are you that this team can win a playoff series?

[Braggins]

Maxiell is getting resigned lol.

[yosemiteben]

The problem is that Cho basically expended all the assets he acquired during the rebuild for a team that still isn't close to being a lock for the 8th seed.

He just drafted Frank, don't consider that "expending" assets even if you would've preferred someone else.

Vonleh for Batum is a fine investment, Batum is worth cashing in on if we had doubts about Vonleh.

PJ is still here.

Zeller is still here.

MKG is still here.

Kemba is still here.

So by "all the assets" you mean one guy that was let go and another guy that was traded for an excellent fit for this team in Batum.

[Bizmack monster]

Would love to know how many shots Biz would alter per 20 min of playing time versus all these other post players we are keeping. It's not just about blocking shots.

[BeesWax]

The problem is that Cho basically expended all the assets he acquired during the rebuild for a team that still isn't close to being a lock for the 8th seed.

He just drafted Frank, don't consider that "expending" assets even if you would've preferred someone else.

Vonleh for Batum is a fine investment, Batum is worth cashing in on if we had doubts about Vonleh.

PJ is still here.

Zeller is still here.

MKG is still here.

Kemba is still here.

So by "all the assets" you mean one guy that was let go and another guy that was traded for an excellent fit for this team in Batum.

You may not consider it expending an asset but nobody was offering a trade to nab Frank. Winslow has talent and would be an asset whereas Frank isn't an asset at all. Frank also appear toy cost us Biz because we don't have room and Mr. Moron is going to watch him get killed at center.

Noah was the only prospect we had that had two way potential at a high level. So yes we dumped a ton of assets for a mediocre team that undid quite a bit of the good work all for fit a garbage coach.

[Braggins]

The problem is that Cho basically expended all the assets he acquired during the rebuild for a team that still isn't close to being a lock for the 8th seed.

He just drafted Frank, don't consider that "expending" assets even if you would've preferred someone else.

Vonleh for Batum is a fine investment, Batum is worth cashing in on if we had doubts about Vonleh.

PJ is still here.

Zeller is still here.

MKG is still here.

Kemba is still here.

So by "all the assets" you mean one guy that was let go and another guy that was traded for an excellent fit for this team in Batum.

He let Biz go for nothing. After Batum goes ring chasing that trade will basically be the equivalent of letting Vonleh go for nothing. There are still some assets left for sure, but there are no longer enough left to have the luxury to put together enough value in a package to consolidate for a bigger piece and the team is still a fringe playoff team. If the current core of Kemba, PJ, Lamb, MKG, Zeller, and Kaminsky isn't good enough to take the team to the next level then it will be right back to the drawing board in a couple of years. That core is just not very good compared to other young cores.

[Braggins]

The problem is that Cho basically expended all the assets he acquired during the rebuild for a team that still isn't close to being a lock for the 8th seed.

He just drafted Frank, don't consider that "expending" assets even if you would've preferred someone else.

Vonleh for Batum is a fine investment, Batum is worth cashing in on if we had doubts about Vonleh.

PJ is still here.

Zeller is still here.

MKG is still here.

Kemba is still here.

So by "all the assets" you mean one guy that was let go and another guy that was traded for an excellent fit for this team in Batum.

Frank also appear toy cost us Biz because we don't have room

Yep, Cho basically chose Frank over Winslow + Biz.

[BeesWax]

He just drafted Frank, don't consider that "expending" assets even if you would've preferred someone else.

Vonleh for Batum is a fine investment, Batum is worth cashing in on if we had doubts about Vonleh.

PJ is still here.

Zeller is still here.

MKG is still here.

Kemba is still here.

So by "all the assets" you mean one guy that was let go and another guy that was traded for an excellent fit for this team in Batum.

Frank also appear toy cost us Biz because we don't have room

Yep, Cho basically chose Frank over Winslow + Biz.

He chose Hawes Jr. over those two. Can never have too many mediocre slow footed bigs on your roster when you run Alfense for an idiot.

[MasterIchiro]

Narrative? It's as easy as a Harvard law school grad reading a picture book to see Cho's draft resume sucks.

[yosemiteben]

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[MasterIchiro]

Frank also appear toy cost us Biz because we don't have room

Yep, Cho basically chose Frank over Winslow + Biz.

He chose Hawes Jr. over those two. Can never have too many mediocre slow footed bigs on your roster when you run Alfense for an idiot.

You still think this team will run Alfense. Man, you're traumatized.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

There is plenty of blame to go around. But one thing that hasn't been called out enough ... I'm starting to wonder if the team wouldn't have been better off with a PG other than Kemba. If Biz plays with a better passing PG that gets him a few more points per game would that have made a difference? IDK.

I'm super ticked off right now, but I do get that the team couldn't go on with all 3 of Biz, MKG, and Zeller very easily. #Spacing and all. It's interesting to wonder what if Zeller had been traded instead of Vonleh. Would they have felt like resigning Biz made more sense?

But on top of all that don't forget that there is a strong $$ angle to this too. MJ is not loaded the way some of the other owners are. He's not going to easily be able to carry a high payroll team year after year, unless they do really well. I'm positive that Cho is working with a budget and it's likely that retaining Biz would have put him at or over that. Is that a move you really make for a likely 3rd string big when there are other outstanding needs roster wise? Probably not.

And JDM is correct, to a lot of fans this will look like another strike against Frank. He's going to have to have a REALLY good year or he's going to be hearing a lot of boos. Between a crowded roster at his positions, Cliff, and likely fan anger he may have a really bumpy start here.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Biz was always like the back up QB in college football.

Everybody loves him. People always think he's better than he was. He was the backup for a reason.

[MasterIchiro]

There is plenty of blame to go around. But one thing that hasn't been called out enough ... I'm starting to wonder if the team wouldn't have been better off with a PG other than Kemba.

Their investments thus far reflect a bet that Kemba is better off with a C other than Biz.

[Braggins]

Biz was always like the back up QB in college football.

Everybody loves him. People always think he's better than he was. He was the backup for a reason.

I think people just thought he was a really good backup, although he was clearly better than Al. Also, the backup QB on a football team is completely irrelevant. Backups in the NBA actually get to play and have an impact on the game.

[MasterIchiro]

Biz was always like the back up QB in college football.

Everybody loves him. People always think he's better than he was. He was the backup for a reason.

I think people just thought he was a really good backup, although he was clearly better than Al. Also, the backup QB on a football team is completely irrelevant. Backups in the NBA actually get to play and have an impact on the game.

Part of the anger is the belief that Al is part of the longterm picture thanks to Clifford.

He's not in my opinion.

Neither Biz nor Al are.

Al gets 1 more year because the bastard opted in.

[BeesWax]

Biz was always like the back up QB in college football.

Everybody loves him. People always think he's better than he was. He was the backup for a reason.

The reason was Cliff can't coach. That was established last year when we played better with Biz than Al in the starting lineup.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

There is plenty of blame to go around. But one thing that hasn't been called out enough ... I'm starting to wonder if the team wouldn't have been better off with a PG other than Kemba.

Their investments thus far reflect a bet that Kemba is better off with a C other than Biz.

I'm probably saying this badly, but what I'm trying to say is that Kemba is good at plenty of things ... he's not a bad player ... but he's a guy who is probably better in a winning situation with experienced players than he is on a young team with guys who need that extra bounce on a pass to help them score as part of their development as a player. IDK, but I wonder.

Really I think that the $$ factored into this decision about Biz mostly at this point.

[MasterIchiro]

There is plenty of blame to go around. But one thing that hasn't been called out enough ... I'm starting to wonder if the team wouldn't have been better off with a PG other than Kemba.

Their investments thus far reflect a bet that Kemba is better off with a C other than Biz.

I'm probably saying this badly, but what I'm trying to say is that Kemba is good at plenty of things ... he's not a bad player ... but he's a guy who is probably better in a winning situation with experienced players than he is on a young team with guys who need that extra bounce on a pass to help them score as part of their development as a player. IDK, but I wonder.

Really I think that the $$ factored into this decision about Biz mostly at this point.

You're onto something when you mentioned the trio of MKG - Biz - Cody. It doesn't work. I think they've decided on MKG and will shoehorn the rest of the roster in so it won't be 4-on-5 on the perimeter. Kemba desperately needed the space all these shooters will provide, both in the starting lineup (finally) and on the bench. We could have some lineups that have all shooters and Kemba. Kemba got the longterm deal because he takes care of the ball and is a winner.

[jbk1234]

Look, the bottom line is CHO's project went BUST. It's official now. Cho picked him at SEVEN ahead of KLAY THOMPSON and lost him for NOTHING. Maybe the Warriors should have offered Ezili for him. Nah.

Actually Biz goes bust when another team signs him and he can't get PT. If he gets PT with another team, the Hornets have more serious problems.