The Bismack Biyombo Thread II

[Snidely FC]

This whole thing is about winning now versus developing for the future. That starts at the top with this organization. Some people accuse MJ of being too cheap to pay for a winner. I think that's off target in Biz's case. The team could exceed the cap to resign Biz. I think MJ's problem as the owner of this club is not being cheap, its lack of patience. He wants to win now. I bought into the youth movement started a couple years ago. I figured bringing in Cho, drafting Kemba, Biz, MKG, Zeller, Vonleh, meant the team was building through the draft. Picking the youngest guys available a couple of times, letting them grow together. I BOUGHT into that idea. Despite signs to the contrary, primarily the Al Jeff signing, I got excited about a young core developing together into a EC Champion level contender. When Cho won the power struggle vs. Higgins I thought it was all about a youth movement. I thought we'd see Al Jeff one more year and then see the young stallions on the squad unleashed. Well, ushering Biz out the door is the final nail in that coffin. This team wants to win NOW. Biz is 22, it could be five more years till he starts to peak. Hawes is 27 and Batum is 26, both about to enter their prime. Instead of adding more youth like the 19 year old Justice Winslow or 18 year old Devin Booker, they took a college senior. Who drafts seniors anymore? A team that wants to win now, that's who. You win in this league with veterans and talent. And the high priced talent is not lining up to play here. I'm disappointed because I loved rooting for Biz. I also liked the idea of a young core growing into a winning team together. The roster as reconstructed this summer is going to win more games this coming year. But then what? Maybe stocking the team with 26 and 27 year olds is the answer? Letting Biz walk is a neck snapper for me, representing a misdirection of gigantic proportions. Gone is the youth movement. What remains for me is the question of a sustainable future, and a roster with a dearth of guys I want to root for.

[MasterIchiro]

Look, the bottom line is CHO's project went BUST. It's official now. Cho picked him at SEVEN ahead of KLAY THOMPSON and lost him for NOTHING. Maybe the Warriors should have offered Ezili for him. Nah.

Actually Biz goes bust when another team signs him and he can't get PT. If he gets PT with another team, the Hornets have more serious problems.

Disagree, bust is what you end up with based on your initial investment. If you put 100K in a stock and it goes BK, you busted. If you bet all your chips on a game of black jack and you go over, you busted. If you pick a player 7 overall and he walks for nothing. You busted.

EDIT: Biz still has a career ahead. But Cho BUSTED on this pick.

[MasterIchiro]

Not to change the subject because I think the Biz decision relates to this, but I feel Marvin will be moved for Jason Thompson.

[Braggins]

Their investments thus far reflect a bet that Kemba is better off with a C other than Biz.

I'm probably saying this badly, but what I'm trying to say is that Kemba is good at plenty of things ... he's not a bad player ... but he's a guy who is probably better in a winning situation with experienced players than he is on a young team with guys who need that extra bounce on a pass to help them score as part of their development as a player. IDK, but I wonder.

Really I think that the $$ factored into this decision about Biz mostly at this point.

You're onto something when you mentioned the trio of MKG - Biz - Cody. It doesn't work. I think they've decided on MKG and will shoehorn the rest of the roster in so it won't be 4-on-5 on the perimeter. Kemba desperately needed the space all these shooters will provide, both in the starting lineup (finally) and on the bench. We could have some lineups that have all shooters and Kemba. Kemba got the longterm deal because he takes care of the ball and is a winner.

Kemba is literally the only hope for this franchise now. The new additions will help him do better, but he is going to have to be a legit all-star now for this team to have any future.

[BeesWax]

Look, the bottom line is CHO's project went BUST. It's official now. Cho picked him at SEVEN ahead of KLAY THOMPSON and lost him for NOTHING. Maybe the Warriors should have offered Ezili for him. Nah.

Actually Biz goes bust when another team signs him and he can't get PT. If he gets PT with another team, the Hornets have more serious problems.

I agree. Biz only becomes a bust when he doesn't workout somewhere else. Cliff becomes a bust when the guys we move because he can't use the succeed somewhere else.

[MasterIchiro]

Look, the bottom line is CHO's project went BUST. It's official now. Cho picked him at SEVEN ahead of KLAY THOMPSON and lost him for NOTHING. Maybe the Warriors should have offered Ezili for him. Nah.

Actually Biz goes bust when another team signs him and he can't get PT. If he gets PT with another team, the Hornets have more serious problems.

I agree. Biz only becomes a bust when he doesn't workout somewhere else. Cliff becomes a bust when the guys we move because he can't use the succeed somewhere else.

CHO busted (on the pick). Biz hasn't busted yet.

[Flip Murray]

Their investments thus far reflect a bet that Kemba is better off with a C other than Biz.

I'm probably saying this badly, but what I'm trying to say is that Kemba is good at plenty of things ... he's not a bad player ... but he's a guy who is probably better in a winning situation with experienced players than he is on a young team with guys who need that extra bounce on a pass to help them score as part of their development as a player. IDK, but I wonder.

Really I think that the $$ factored into this decision about Biz mostly at this point.

You're onto something when you mentioned the trio of MKG - Biz - Cody. It doesn't work. I think they've decided on MKG and will shoehorn the rest of the roster in so it won't be 4-on-5 on the perimeter. Kemba desperately needed the space all these shooters will provide, both in the starting lineup (finally) and on the bench. We could have some lineups that have all shooters and Kemba. Kemba got the longterm deal because he takes care of the ball and is a winner.

MKG is a winner too. He's as much of a winner as Kemba. What if we're shoehorning the roster around him?

[Braggins]

Look, the bottom line is CHO's project went BUST. It's official now. Cho picked him at SEVEN ahead of KLAY THOMPSON and lost him for NOTHING. Maybe the Warriors should have offered Ezili for him. Nah.

Actually Biz goes bust when another team signs him and he can't get PT. If he gets PT with another team, the Hornets have more serious problems.

Disagree, bust is what you end up with based on your initial investment. If you put 100K in a stock and it goes BK, you busted. If you bet all your chips on a game of black jack and you go over, you busted. If you pick a player 7 overall and he walks for nothing. You busted.

EDIT: Biz still has a career ahead. But Cho BUSTED on this pick.

If you put money into a long term investment and then pull out prematurely and the stock rises after you sold out then you busted, not the stock. That is a much more appropriate analogy in my opinion.

edit: I missed your edit. I agree.

[BeesWax]

I'm probably saying this badly, but what I'm trying to say is that Kemba is good at plenty of things ... he's not a bad player ... but he's a guy who is probably better in a winning situation with experienced players than he is on a young team with guys who need that extra bounce on a pass to help them score as part of their development as a player. IDK, but I wonder.

Really I think that the $$ factored into this decision about Biz mostly at this point.

You're onto something when you mentioned the trio of MKG - Biz - Cody. It doesn't work. I think they've decided on MKG and will shoehorn the rest of the roster in so it won't be 4-on-5 on the perimeter. Kemba desperately needed the space all these shooters will provide, both in the starting lineup (finally) and on the bench. We could have some lineups that have all shooters and Kemba. Kemba got the longterm deal because he takes care of the ball and is a winner.

Kemba is literally the only hope for this franchise now. The new additions will help him do better, but he is going to have to be a legit all-star now for this team to have any future.

That is scary. We are banking on a guy who is not high level at anything right now.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm probably saying this badly, but what I'm trying to say is that Kemba is good at plenty of things ... he's not a bad player ... but he's a guy who is probably better in a winning situation with experienced players than he is on a young team with guys who need that extra bounce on a pass to help them score as part of their development as a player. IDK, but I wonder.

Really I think that the $$ factored into this decision about Biz mostly at this point.

You're onto something when you mentioned the trio of MKG - Biz - Cody. It doesn't work. I think they've decided on MKG and will shoehorn the rest of the roster in so it won't be 4-on-5 on the perimeter. Kemba desperately needed the space all these shooters will provide, both in the starting lineup (finally) and on the bench. We could have some lineups that have all shooters and Kemba. Kemba got the longterm deal because he takes care of the ball and is a winner.

MKG is a winner too. He's as much of a winner as Kemba. What if we're shoehorning the roster around him?

It's probably a little bit of both.

[MasterIchiro]

Actually Biz goes bust when another team signs him and he can't get PT. If he gets PT with another team, the Hornets have more serious problems.

Disagree, bust is what you end up with based on your initial investment. If you put 100K in a stock and it goes BK, you busted. If you bet all your chips on a game of black jack and you go over, you busted. If you pick a player 7 overall and he walks for nothing. You busted.

EDIT: Biz still has a career ahead. But Cho BUSTED on this pick.

If you put money into a long term investment and then pull out prematurely and the stock rises after you sold out then you busted, not the stock. That is a much more appropriate analogy in my opinion.

I agree. What I mean to say is CHO busted.

[MasterIchiro]

You're onto something when you mentioned the trio of MKG - Biz - Cody. It doesn't work. I think they've decided on MKG and will shoehorn the rest of the roster in so it won't be 4-on-5 on the perimeter. Kemba desperately needed the space all these shooters will provide, both in the starting lineup (finally) and on the bench. We could have some lineups that have all shooters and Kemba. Kemba got the longterm deal because he takes care of the ball and is a winner.

Kemba is literally the only hope for this franchise now. The new additions will help him do better, but he is going to have to be a legit all-star now for this team to have any future.

That is scary. We are banking on a guy who is not high level at anything right now.

Except assist-to-turnover ratio. He's right there with Chris Paul.

[Braggins]

You're onto something when you mentioned the trio of MKG - Biz - Cody. It doesn't work. I think they've decided on MKG and will shoehorn the rest of the roster in so it won't be 4-on-5 on the perimeter. Kemba desperately needed the space all these shooters will provide, both in the starting lineup (finally) and on the bench. We could have some lineups that have all shooters and Kemba. Kemba got the longterm deal because he takes care of the ball and is a winner.

Kemba is literally the only hope for this franchise now. The new additions will help him do better, but he is going to have to be a legit all-star now for this team to have any future.

That is scary. We are banking on a guy who is not high level at anything right now.

Yep, Kemba is literally my favorite player in the NBA and I still see him as the 3rd best player on a good team.

[Braggins]

Disagree, bust is what you end up with based on your initial investment. If you put 100K in a stock and it goes BK, you busted. If you bet all your chips on a game of black jack and you go over, you busted. If you pick a player 7 overall and he walks for nothing. You busted.

EDIT: Biz still has a career ahead. But Cho BUSTED on this pick.

If you put money into a long term investment and then pull out prematurely and the stock rises after you sold out then you busted, not the stock. That is a much more appropriate analogy in my opinion.

I agree. What I mean to say is CHO busted.

Yeah, I missed your edit then made my own edit but you missed that edit and now I've gone cross-eyed.

[jbk1234]

Look, the bottom line is CHO's project went BUST. It's official now. Cho picked him at SEVEN ahead of KLAY THOMPSON and lost him for NOTHING. Maybe the Warriors should have offered Ezili for him. Nah.

Actually Biz goes bust when another team signs him and he can't get PT. If he gets PT with another team, the Hornets have more serious problems.

Disagree, bust is what you end up with based on your initial investment. If you put 100K in a stock and it goes BK, you busted. If you bet all your chips on a game of black jack and you go over, you busted. If you pick a player 7 overall and he walks for nothing. You busted.

No if you invest 100k at $100/share, you sell those share for $1 each - blind without knowing the market, and those shares end up selling for even $10, you screwed up. Sunken costs are sunken costs. That doesn't mean the asset is worthless. There are plenty of good or useful players who are selected in the lottery who aren't just thrown away. There are plenty of mediocre players whose teams manage to get some value back for them. This is an owner devaluing his own asset either intentionally or negligently. This only makes sense if Bismack has a big pile of dead hookers in his back yard.

[MasterIchiro]

Actually Biz goes bust when another team signs him and he can't get PT. If he gets PT with another team, the Hornets have more serious problems.

Disagree, bust is what you end up with based on your initial investment. If you put 100K in a stock and it goes BK, you busted. If you bet all your chips on a game of black jack and you go over, you busted. If you pick a player 7 overall and he walks for nothing. You busted.

No if you invest 100k at $100/share, you sell those share for $1 each - blind without knowing the market, and those shares end up selling for even $10, you screwed up. Sunken costs are sunken costs. That doesn't mean the asset is worthless. There are plenty of good or useful players who are selected in the lottery who aren't just thrown away. There are plenty of mediocre players whose teams manage to get some value back for them. This is an owner devaluing his own asset either intentionally or negligently. This only makes sense if Bismack has a big pile of dead hookers in his back yard.

Cho busted on his investment. That part is over. The future value is undetermined.

[catch20two]

Damn, Biz gone.

[MasterIchiro]

Kemba is literally the only hope for this franchise now. The new additions will help him do better, but he is going to have to be a legit all-star now for this team to have any future.

That is scary. We are banking on a guy who is not high level at anything right now.

Yep, Kemba is literally my favorite player in the NBA and I still see him as the 3rd best player on a good team.

But he's the best player on my favorite team, and this is fun. He'll be much better this year. Cho is being held accountable (forced to deal Cody or Vonleh) for shooting and now not given the funds for Biz. MJ wants a return on his investment in Kemba so we have shooters in place (Hawes, Kaminsky, Cody to a certain extent) sharing the floor with him instead of a guy who can't catch a ball and has no moves in the paint. Cody can set those screens for Kemba. With Biz we lost shot blocking. Hasheem Thabeet can block shots. Kemba gets space to breath.

[Braggins]

The best analogy would be that Cho invested money in a long term stock and then after a few years his investment manager tells him that he doesn't think the stock is going to work out long term so then Cho decides to set his stock certificates on fire.

[Flip Murray]

Damn, Biz gone.

goes so perfect with your avatar.