The Bismack Biyombo Thread II

[Braggins]

That is scary. We are banking on a guy who is not high level at anything right now.

Yep, Kemba is literally my favorite player in the NBA and I still see him as the 3rd best player on a good team.

But he's the best player on my favorite team, and this is fun. He'll be much better this year.

Noooo, stop. I was finally out the door and now you are making me want to come back and take another peak inside lol

[MasterIchiro]

The best analogy would be that Cho invested money in a long term stock and then after a few years his investment manager tells him that he doesn't think the stock is going to work out long term so then Cho decides to set his stock certificates on fire.

The investor entrusted the broker to get a return on his investment. The broker sold the investor on the upside of the stock, overbought a risky stock and when the investor saw the stock plummeting he chewed out his broker for ever selling him on such a poor investment. The broker sold, the stock may recover one day or it may never. The broker and the investor lost their asses but at least the broker got chewed a new one so he had that for backup.

[Liver_Pooty]

Biyombo barely got his rookie option picked up, as Bonnell pointed out. Let alone his QO. He's a great guy, but I don't think he'll be as missed as some think

[fatlever]

I am glad I've had a few hours to reflect on this news before I was able to post. Heard the news on the radio on my way to basketball. Gave me time to get the initial anger out of the way.

Mostly tonight I am sad. I am sad because Biz was my favorite player on the team. There was no player on the team that I wished to succeed more than Biz. I loved him mostly for the type of man he was away from basketball, not so much for what he did on the court. There have been few players I've followed that were more likeable as a person than Biz. He will truly be missed and I hope he finds success elsewhere so that he can continue to do good things in the community and in his home country.

From a basketball standpoint, I am concerned. We all saw the writing on the wall, last year and this off-season. Biz was not in their plans and was clearly not a favorite of Coach Clifford. I am concerned that we are building an entire team around Al Jefferson, a player who has never been good enough to carry a team. I am concerned that we are losing one of the few players who seemed to bring energy, despite what Clifford said many times. Most concerning though is the lack of any type of interior defense.

That being said, I am not about to pretend that losing Biz will move the needle much in the loss column. I get that everyone is upset, especially in light of the questionable moves this summer, but I do feel that Biz's impact is being slightly overstated. I did not see a future where Biz was anything more than an energy big off the bench.

We all love Biz, but we shouldn't turn him into some mythical figure that he was not. He is an amazing guy, who is a freak athlete and one helluva a shotblocker. But he was also probably the worst offense basketball player in the league last year, or at least in the conversation. Perhaps he continues to improve, even drastically, over the next few years and reaches the levels of expectations, but I would bet not. I don't see him carving out a larger role anywhere else, barring injuries to those in front of him.

At least now the front office can focus on our biggest need, which is point guard. Point guard must be addressed.

The best thing about losing Biz, is that his departure has brought out lurkers in full force. It's nice to see so many new faces in this thread. I hope that you guys stick around. God knows we are all going to need a larger support group if next season starts to go sour.

Clifford and Cho have one more shot or else they are both gone. They have everyone believing they are incompetent and rightly so. They better hope it works out or it will get ugly.

Later Biz. You will be missed.

[jbk1234]

Disagree, bust is what you end up with based on your initial investment. If you put 100K in a stock and it goes BK, you busted. If you bet all your chips on a game of black jack and you go over, you busted. If you pick a player 7 overall and he walks for nothing. You busted.

No if you invest 100k at $100/share, you sell those share for $1 each - blind without knowing the market, and those shares end up selling for even $10, you screwed up. Sunken costs are sunken costs. That doesn't mean the asset is worthless. There are plenty of good or useful players who are selected in the lottery who aren't just thrown away. There are plenty of mediocre players whose teams manage to get some value back for them. This is an owner devaluing his own asset either intentionally or negligently. This only makes sense if Bismack has a big pile of dead hookers in his back yard.

Cho busted on his investment. That part is over. The future value is undetermined.

You don't, ever, personally bust an investment. The investment is worth what it is worth at any given time. The Hornets FO has concluded that Biz isn't worth a QO of less than the MLE. He will get at least that on the market. There will be several teams willing to place that bid. The only thing worse than buying an asset at above market price is turning around and selling that same asset at below market price. Biz isn't an addition by subtraction type of guy. The Hornets no longer have any one on their roster capable of protecting the rim in any capacity. They gained $5 million in cap space without any clear FA target. If there's a plan, if this make sense on some level, I'd love to hear it.

[MasterIchiro]

Yep, Kemba is literally my favorite player in the NBA and I still see him as the 3rd best player on a good team.

But he's the best player on my favorite team, and this is fun. He'll be much better this year.

Noooo, stop. I was finally out the door and now you are making me want to come back and take another peak inside lol

Those lanes, so open all of a sudden.

[MasterIchiro]

No if you invest 100k at $100/share, you sell those share for $1 each - blind without knowing the market, and those shares end up selling for even $10, you screwed up. Sunken costs are sunken costs. That doesn't mean the asset is worthless. There are plenty of good or useful players who are selected in the lottery who aren't just thrown away. There are plenty of mediocre players whose teams manage to get some value back for them. This is an owner devaluing his own asset either intentionally or negligently. This only makes sense if Bismack has a big pile of dead hookers in his back yard.

Cho busted on his investment. That part is over. The future value is undetermined.

You don't, ever, personally bust an investment. The investment is worth what it is worth at any given time. The Hornets FO has concluded that Biz isn't worth a QO of less than the MLE. He will get at least that on the market. There will be several teams willing to place that bid. The only thing worse than buying an asset at above market price is turning around and selling that same asset at below market price. Biz isn't an addition by subtraction type of guy. The Hornets no longer have any one on their roster capable of protecting the rim in any capacity. They gained $5 million in cap space without any clear FA target. If there's a plan, if this make sense on some level, I'd love to hear it.

At this given time the investment in Biz is worth NOTHING.

[Liver_Pooty]

^ fats drops the mic, and walks away.

[BeesWax]

No if you invest 100k at $100/share, you sell those share for $1 each - blind without knowing the market, and those shares end up selling for even $10, you screwed up. Sunken costs are sunken costs. That doesn't mean the asset is worthless. There are plenty of good or useful players who are selected in the lottery who aren't just thrown away. There are plenty of mediocre players whose teams manage to get some value back for them. This is an owner devaluing his own asset either intentionally or negligently. This only makes sense if Bismack has a big pile of dead hookers in his back yard.

Cho busted on his investment. That part is over. The future value is undetermined.

You don't, ever, personally bust an investment. The investment is worth what it is worth at any given time. The Hornets FO has concluded that Biz isn't worth a QO of less than the MLE. He will get at least that on the market. There will be several teams willing to place that bid. The only thing worse than buying an asset at above market price is turning around and selling that same asset at below market price. Biz isn't an addition by subtraction type of guy. The Hornets no longer have any one on their roster capable of protecting the rim in any capacity. They gained $5 million in cap space without any clear FA target. If there's a plan, if this make sense on some level, I'd love to hear it.

We gained no cap space. We got nothing out of this at all. There was zero benefit.

[MasterIchiro]

I am concerned that we are building an entire team around Al Jefferson...

Clifford and Cho have one more shot or else they are both gone...

Later Biz. You will be missed...

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[Bassman]

Sorry to see Biz turned out. He was never going to be a reliable starter, but he has value. Frankly I've seen him get roughed up too many times by guys with size to say he is a defensive stopper. But he was our stopper...which is a limited admiration to his value on this team.

Wish him the best and hope he catches on somewhere out west.

[jbk1234]

Cho busted on his investment. That part is over. The future value is undetermined.

You don't, ever, personally bust an investment. The investment is worth what it is worth at any given time. The Hornets FO has concluded that Biz isn't worth a QO of less than the MLE. He will get at least that on the market. There will be several teams willing to place that bid. The only thing worse than buying an asset at above market price is turning around and selling that same asset at below market price. Biz isn't an addition by subtraction type of guy. The Hornets no longer have any one on their roster capable of protecting the rim in any capacity. They gained $5 million in cap space without any clear FA target. If there's a plan, if this make sense on some level, I'd love to hear it.

At this given time the investment in Biz is worth NOTHING.

I'll say this. If the Hornets had signed him for a dollar over the QO, they could have traded him to a contender before the deadline for a TPE and a late first. That's not nothing. You don't get to light your stock certificate on fire, say it's a pile of ashes, and say well now it's worth nothing.

You clearly want Cho fired. This move will bring the Hornets closer to that. I get it. But it makes no sense.

[Braggins]

But he's the best player on my favorite team, and this is fun. He'll be much better this year.

Noooo, stop. I was finally out the door and now you are making me want to come back and take another peak inside lol

Those lanes, so open all of a sudden.

Who am I kidding. I'll probably watch like every game next season. FML. I'm too weak lol.

[catch20two]

Surprised Cho gave up on him right after a strong year. He had a above 15 PER. That damn Zeller pick still haunting us. Lol

[fatlever]

One more thing to add to the concerning section of my post. Once again we see this team changing directions abruptly, following trends rather than anticipating them. The front office lacks patience to truly rebuild or develop young players like Biz and Vonleh. I think this clearly points to a lack of cohesiveness in the front office, with too many voices getting their turn and making decisions.

We saw this before when Higgins gave up on Bernie's slow build in order to use our pick and cap space to sign Jason Richardson. We saw this when Larry Brown was allowed to trade off all assets for old vets with big deals and dictate draft picks and free agent signing that sank the franchise. We saw it when we gave up on that team just as quickly to try and bottom out and rebuild. We saw it when we gave up on the rebuild to sign Jefferson. And now we see it again with Cho being forced to cash in on the young, underdeveloped assets in order to please the coach and owner, who has clearly mandated a win or else atmosphere in the front office.

I do not think Jordan will ever be patient enough to do things the slow way. We are probably better off drafting guys like Kaminsky or trading our picks for vets.

We are still waiting for Jordan to use his influence and man to make a difference. It has yet to pay dividends.

[BigSlam]

Thanks for some memorable moments Biz. The grunts and groans were fun, as was the adventure you created anytime you touched the ball in offence anywhere more than 6ft from the basket.

Your smile was infectious and you seemed to genuinely enjoy playing the game of basketball with the joy of a young child.

Really, really wished you turned out like a mini Howard but it was not meant to be.

Keep smiling Biyombo.


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[MasterIchiro]

I think if Cho trades another one of his ambitious investments (Marvin) for Jason Thompson, he can cover up Biz's absence from this collection of bigs.

[fatlever]

The questions I would love to ask Cho regarding Biz...

What were your realistic expectations of Biyombo after you drafted him? What was your realistic time frame in order for him to reach those expectations. Clearly, he was a massive project, but when did it become clear to you that he was not going to meet your expectations? Where did he fall short? Where do you fail in your evaluation of him as a prospect? And what did you learn from the experience?

[HornetJail]

Unless Cho has a DeAndre Jordan S&T up his sleeve or something, I'm convinced he's reached an agreement with another team and is **** us in the ass until he gets fired. There is no explanation for what he's done this offseason. None.

All I'm saying is if things don't turn around, I'll be considering myself an "NBA fan" rather than a Charlotte Hornets fan.

[Braggins]

One more thing to add to the concerning section of my post. Once again we see this team changing directions abruptly, following trends rather than anticipating them. The front office lacks patience to truly rebuild or develop young players like Biz and Vonleh. I think this clearly points to a lack of cohesiveness in the front office, with too many voices getting their turn and making decisions.

We saw this before when Higgins gave up on Bernie's slow build in order to use our pick and cap space to sign Jason Richardson. We saw this when Larry Brown was allowed to trade off all assets for old vets with big deals and dictate draft picks and free agent signing that sank the franchise. We saw it when we gave up on that team just as quickly to try and bottom out and rebuild. We saw it when we gave up on the rebuild to sign Jefferson. And now we see it again with Cho being forced to cash in on the young, underdeveloped assets in order to please the coach and owner, who has clearly mandated a win or else atmosphere in the front office.

This post is spot on. I've felt this way for a while, but couldn't figure out the right way to articulate it.