The Bismack Biyombo Thread II

Post #201 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:42 am

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/10533/

Thoughts from QCH

Flip Murray · Post #202 » by **Flip Murray** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:45 am

fatlever wrote:One more thing to add to the concerning section of my post. Once again we see this team changing directions abruptly, following trends rather than anticipating them. The front office lacks patience to truly rebuild or develop young players like Biz and Vonleh. I think this clearly points to a lack of cohesiveness in the front office, with too many voices getting their turn and making decisions.

We saw this before when Higgins gave up on Bernie's slow build in order to use our pick and cap space to sign Jason Richardson. We saw this when Larry Brown was allowed to trade off all assets for old vets with big deals and dictate draft picks and free agent signing that sank the franchise. We saw it when we gave up on that team just as quickly to try and bottom out and rebuild. We saw it when we gave up on the rebuild to sign Jefferson. And now we see it again with Cho being forced to cash in on the young, underdeveloped assets in order to please the coach and owner, who has clearly mandated a win or else atmosphere in the front office.

I do not think Jordan will ever be patient enough to do things the slow way. We are probably better off drafting guys like Kaminsky or trading our picks for vets.

We are still waiting for Jordan to use his influence and man to make a difference. It has yet to pay dividends.

Sometimes I wonder what it's like to be a Spurs fan or any other winning franchise. Are you happy about every move the team makes? What do you even talk about? Or even just what it's like to be a fan of a team where you know who is making the decisions.

I think the one silver lining in all this, for me at least, is that being fans of a trainwreck organization like this one has either brought out or pushed a good number of very smart posters on this board. The team's dysfunction facilitates some pretty high level discussion - obviously sometimes its gets divisive and devolves - but people are passionate and sick of losing.

It's almost like we're constantly having arguments about bigger issues like long term franchise building philosophy or what direction we should go when we have 12 players who don't fit together at all. Just how to build a basketball team in general is literally a discussion that comes out in almost every thread on this board.

Philly fans know what they're doing, most probably support it. What do you even talk about if your franchise has a direction? You either disagree with it or agree. With us though we're having to argue multiple layers. We don't just have to talk about what the team should do. Hell we can barely figure out what the team is doing. We don't even know who makes a decision when it gets made. Our beat writer is all over the board, rarely comes up with good information and our front office never leaks ****. It's just reading tea leaves day after day.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #203 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:46 am

Kinda OT: I totally forgot about the Oden workout, he'd certainly be an interesting pickup now.

MasterIchiro · Post #204 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:46 am

fatlever wrote:http://queencityhoops.com/blog/10533/

Thoughts from QCH

This passage nailed it..

Sure he will put up great Per 36 numbers, but playing heavy minutes severely hinders the rest of his team-mates he shares the floor with. He can’t shoot, dribble or pass, the majority of the time it’s like the Hornets playing 4 on 5 on offense, even when he does get fouled he can’t hit his free throws. Unfortunately Biz is not a good enough defender to offset his offensive limits, yes he can block shots and rebound, but that isn’t the key to good defense. He can’t guard on the perimeter, he can’t switch onto smaller guards, he fouls way too much and he often looks loss defending the pick and roll, especially with lob plays.

catch20two · Post #205 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:46 am

I'm happy for Biz, especially if he land on a contender. I just hope it's not Cleveland. That's 2 of Cho's lottery picks gone. Only 3 more left. I think Zeller get traded next at some point by midseason. Tried to trade him twice but his value is blah.

Liver_Pooty · Post #206 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:55 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
fatlever wrote:http://queencityhoops.com/blog/10533/

Thoughts from QCH

This passage nailed it..

Sure he will put up great Per 36 numbers, but playing heavy minutes severely hinders the rest of his team-mates he shares the floor with. He can’t shoot, dribble or pass, the majority of the time it’s like the Hornets playing 4 on 5 on offense, even when he does get fouled he can’t hit his free throws. Unfortunately Biz is not a good enough defender to offset his offensive limits, yes he can block shots and rebound, but that isn’t the key to good defense. He can’t guard on the perimeter, he can’t switch onto smaller guards, he fouls way too much and he often looks loss defending the pick and roll, especially with lob plays.

That blog hit it right on the nail.

MasterIchiro · Post #207 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:58 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
fatlever wrote:http://queencityhoops.com/blog/10533/

Thoughts from QCH

This passage nailed it..

Sure he will put up great Per 36 numbers, but playing heavy minutes severely hinders the rest of his team-mates he shares the floor with. He can’t shoot, dribble or pass, the majority of the time it’s like the Hornets playing 4 on 5 on offense, even when he does get fouled he can’t hit his free throws. Unfortunately Biz is not a good enough defender to offset his offensive limits, yes he can block shots and rebound, but that isn’t the key to good defense. He can’t guard on the perimeter, he can’t switch onto smaller guards, he fouls way too much and he often looks loss defending the pick and roll, especially with lob plays.

That blog hit it right on the nail.

He can’t shoot, dribble or pass

It's been a recurring theme with pretty much all Cho's draft picks. He's not profiling for the skillets that make lineups click today.

Chuck Diesel · Post #208 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:12 am

Good read guys, feel like I've learned a lot. Understand his limitations but I'm really hoping my Bucks make a run at Biyombo. Think he's a great fit to split minutes with Henson/Zaza. Plus we have dudes he can speak French & Spanish with. Good luck!

Braggins · Post #209 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:20 am

I'm sorry, but that passage from QCH actually did the exact opposite of "nail it" and I can't believe how quickly you guys forget about what actually happened last season. We played our best basketball last season when Biz started and got consistent minutes and his numbers scaled up pretty much perfectly with his per 36 averages. During the stretch before he got injured when he was starting he was averaging like 8 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 blocks per game AND WE WERE WINNING BASKETBALL GAMES. Once people find a narrative they like they will not let it go no matter what happens. Biz was our best big last season. His on-court/off-court stats before he came back from injury and played like **** were pretty much the best of anyone on our team. Plowright is a cool dude but he is way off.

edit: I forgot to mention all the games before Al got injured where we'd be getting waxed until Biz came in and started shutting down the paint and our defense got us back in the game, only for us to immediately go back to getting waxed when Biz came back out.

Flip Murray · Post #210 » by **Flip Murray** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:45 am

its mildly annoying to me that so many fans bashed on Biyombo and made fun of Hornets fans for overrating him and now that we let him go they're making fun of us for getting rid of him. Can't win with some people.

HornetJail · Post #211 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:49 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Good read guys, feel like I've learned a lot. Understand his limitations but I'm really hoping my Bucks make a run at Biyombo. Think he's a great fit to split minutes with Henson/Zaza. Plus we have dudes he can speak French & Spanish with. Good luck!

I think he'll be as good as Sanders was for you guys, without the crazy. I want him to succeed more than anything.

Post #212 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:51 am

For all this talk about how dominant a defender Biz is and how terrible Al is, I was surprised to learn that Biz was only a -2.8 per 100 possessions on D and Al was only +1.3.

Braggins · Post #213 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:59 am

yosemiteben wrote:For all this talk about how dominant a defender Biz is and how terrible Al is, I was surprised to learn that Biz was only a -2.8 per 100 possessions on D and Al was only +1.3.

The numbers got skewed after he came back from injury and played like crap. He was around -5 on defense and +2 or +3 on offense before his injury. I followed those numbers very closely throughout the season. Before that stretch where Mo came in and lit it up as a starter Al was something like +5 or +6 on defense and -3 on offense. He didn't do much of anything during that stretch before he got shut down for good but his on-court/off-court numbers improved due to the team playing well. You are right about Biz being more of a help side guy but his interior defense is still pretty good and definitely better than anyone else we have or had last season.

catch20two · Post #214 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:59 am

Flip Murray wrote:its mildly annoying to me that so many fans bashed on Biyombo and made fun of Hornets fans for overrating him and now that we let him go they're making fun of us for getting rid of him. Can't win with some people.

It's because he was a prized Cho pick. Cho invested all that in him only to let him walk. It is kinda funny from a outsider's POV. Zeller is next.

Braggins · Post #215 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:02 am

catch20two wrote:
Flip Murray wrote:its mildly annoying to me that so many fans bashed on Biyombo and made fun of Hornets fans for overrating him and now that we let him go they're making fun of us for getting rid of him. Can't win with some people.

It's because he was a prized Cho pick. Cho invested all that in him only to let him walk. It is kinda funny from a outsider's POV. Zeller is next.

Lol, if Vanilla Zella gets this treatment there won't be a single person left on this board who doesn't hate Cho. Zeller has pretty much reached untouchable status on here.

HornetJail · Post #216 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:05 am

Braggins wrote:Lol, if Vanilla Zella gets this treatment there won't be a single person left on this board

fixed.

catch20two · Post #217 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:06 am

Braggins wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Flip Murray wrote:its mildly annoying to me that so many fans bashed on Biyombo and made fun of Hornets fans for overrating him and now that we let him go they're making fun of us for getting rid of him. Can't win with some people.

It's because he was a prized Cho pick. Cho invested all that in him only to let him walk. It is kinda funny from a outsider's POV. Zeller is next.

Lol, if Vanilla Zella gets this treatment there won't be a single person left on this board who doesn't hate Cho. Zeller has pretty much reached untouchable status on here.

Cho has tried to trade Zeller twice over the past few months, right before the tradeline and right before the draft. Zeller just don't have much value. Even Portland preferred Vonleh the relative unknown. He's very touchable. It's just that other teams don't want to touch him in exchange for value. Lol

HornetJail · Post #218 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:07 am

yosemiteben wrote:For all this talk about how dominant a defender Biz is and how terrible Al is, I was surprised to learn that Biz was only a -2.8 per 100 possessions on D and Al was only +1.3.

Biz also played a big chunk of his minutes with some combination of Brian Roberts, Marvin Williams, Mo Williams, and other players who were completely incapable of guarding their positions. Al had Zeller, MKG, and Hendo covering his fat ass

Braggins · Post #219 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:14 am

It really surprises me that many people are seriously dismissing Biz's impact last season. I know he finished the year on a down note and that is probably what a lot of people are remembering, but for the first 2/3 of the year he was our 3rd best player, and arguably 2nd best during his pre-injury stint as a starter. Now some people act like he was a drag on the team and that hes obsolete now because of Spencer freaking Hawes.

-Ian- · Post #220 » by **-Ian-** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:15 am

A lot of us already knew that Biz won't be here when the brass of this team drafted Kaminsky. But still, I hoped against hope that Cho will re-sign Biz considering that Biz was his first draft pick and he even traded for that pick, Biz is still 22, and he's the only rim protector that we have. I'm really bummed that Biz won't be a part of this organization anymore. He's a great human being and I hope he improves his game and a team with a decent coach who will be patient enough to nurture him would sign him up.