The Tobias Harris Situation

seeingstars · Post #2281 » by **seeingstars** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:06 pm

Sign & trade with Boston, here we come. Get it Henny!

407Junkie · Post #2282 » by **407Junkie** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:09 pm

Tobias and his fan boys act like sensitive little b***hes when it comes to criticism of him and not everyone liking his playing style. If he goes somewhere and becomes this future hall of famer like some are projecting then I'll say I was wrong but I doubt it. All the big bad fans and Magic organization conspiring to stop his shine is funny but at the same time pathetic. Only reason I'm pissed is because it looks like we're gonna get nothing for him when he should've been traded last season. Between this euro, Gordon, and Fournier I'm pretty sure they'll survive. Not to mention all this cap space that let some of yall tell we can't give away.

Skin · Post #2283 » by **Skin** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:10 pm

Detroit fans are salivating at the thought of signing Harris. Quite the contrast among our fans.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1395286#start_here

tooler · Post #2284 » by **tooler** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:10 pm

Neon1 wrote:Who wrote it? Was it Elahmin or whatever his name is? He and Tobias youngest brother (Torell Jr.) have issues over Torell Jr. coming at him on twitter before.

Torell just went at Adam now too.

This is so weird. I know athletes have had friends and family members sticking up for them on social media for a while now, and it occasionally bubbles up and causes the player some problems. I guess I just never noticed it until recently with mojosodope on here.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #2285 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:10 pm

seeingstars wrote:Sign & trade with Boston, here we come. Get it Henny!

But Boston could sign Harris out right without giving up any assets this doesn't make no sense.

And if it did make sense and for whatever reason we did somehow facilitate a S&T w/ a team that has available cap we will get close to nothing in return....(for ex. Phil Pressey)

tooler · Post #2286 » by **tooler** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:13 pm

Skin wrote:Detroit fans are salivating at the thought of signing Harris. Quite the contrast among our fans.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1395286#start_here

It's fascinating to visit other teams' forums and get their perspective. One of my favorite things about this forum.

Neither Boston nor Detroit fans are 100% sold on him, and the detractors have raised the same points we have. But since they haven't watched him the last 3 years, he probably seems like all upside to most people.

ezzzp · Post #2287 » by **ezzzp** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:14 pm

Michael Scotto covers NY teams for Sheridan Hoops.

Anything he tweets is about getting hits aimed at NY team fans...that tweet is tainted by Harris' camp and intended to raise the perception of demand...

MagicTicketRep · Post #2288 » by **MagicTicketRep** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:15 pm

With the Magic extending their qualifying offer to Tobias what do you guys want/expect to happen with him? I'm interested to see what happens!

Contact me for Orlando Magic ticket options (407) 916-2752 or MHolesko@orlandomagic.com 2015-16 Season Tickets on sale now!

mojosodope · Post #2289 » by **mojosodope** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:22 pm

tooler wrote:
Neon1 wrote:Who wrote it? Was it Elahmin or whatever his name is? He and Tobias youngest brother (Torell Jr.) have issues over Torell Jr. coming at him on twitter before.

Torell just went at Adam now too.

This is so weird. I know athletes have had friends and family members sticking up for them on social media for a while now, and it occasionally bubbles up and causes the player some problems. I guess I just never noticed it until recently with mojosodope on here.

I'm trying to understand the point you're trying to make.

Post #2290 » by **floppymoose** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:24 pm

Neon1 wrote:
floppymoose wrote:
mojosodope wrote:
Crap like this is why I really hope we don't match. Its apparent he will continue to be the scapegoat [...]

The Magic were a poor defensive team last year. On such a team, you would expect even an average defender to help them. Instead, they were worse defensively when Harris was on the floor. By a lot. The raw numbers are here:
http://www.82games.com/1415/14ORL10.HTM#onoff
You could do special pleading and say it's because of who he takes the floor with or against, but the adjusted numbers take that into account and they are bad too:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/5

There is a similar pattern if you look at numbers from the prior season.

Harris is part of the problem. The idea that he is even an average defender now is a very tough sell. The real question is can he become a good defender down the road.

But yet ignore this from the very same website.
http://www.82games.com/1415/1415ORL.HTM

I don't think you want to point at that. It too says that Magic were worse when Harris was on the floor.

Mostly this debate is showing that those who don't like on/off data simply don't understand it. It's tough to discuss it under those circumstances.

tooler · Post #2291 » by **tooler** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:25 pm

mojosodope wrote:
tooler wrote:
Neon1 wrote:Who wrote it? Was it Elahmin or whatever his name is? He and Tobias youngest brother (Torell Jr.) have issues over Torell Jr. coming at him on twitter before.

Torell just went at Adam now too.

This is so weird. I know athletes have had friends and family members sticking up for them on social media for a while now, and it occasionally bubbles up and causes the player some problems. I guess I just never noticed it until recently with mojosodope on here.

I'm trying to understand the point you're trying to make.

It's just surreal to me, that's all. No point, no agenda. Maybe I'm getting too old.

ezzzp · Post #2292 » by **ezzzp** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:25 pm

MagicTicketRep wrote:With the Magic extending their qualifying offer to Tobias what do you guys want/expect to happen with him? I'm interested to see what happens!

Contact me for Orlando Magic ticket options (407) 916-2752 or MHolesko@orlandomagic.com 2015-16 Season Tickets on sale now!

retain the asset...at all cost

MagicTicketRep · Post #2293 » by **MagicTicketRep** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:31 pm

ezzzp wrote:
MagicTicketRep wrote:With the Magic extending their qualifying offer to Tobias what do you guys want/expect to happen with him? I'm interested to see what happens!

Contact me for Orlando Magic ticket options (407) 916-2752 or MHolesko@orlandomagic.com 2015-16 Season Tickets on sale now!

retain the asset...at all cost

Tobias is without a doubt a young star for this team being only 22 years old. But would signing him to a max deal be the right decision for the franchise? It will be interesting to see what happens here in the near future!

mojosodope · Post #2294 » by **mojosodope** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:35 pm

tooler wrote:
mojosodope wrote:
tooler wrote:This is so weird. I know athletes have had friends and family members sticking up for them on social media for a while now, and it occasionally bubbles up and causes the player some problems. I guess I just never noticed it until recently with mojosodope on here.

I'm trying to understand the point you're trying to make.

It's just surreal to me, that's all. No point, no agenda. Maybe I'm getting too old.

From my perspective it's a bit odder those who stick up for players and individuals on this board with no type of affiliation.

I don't pretend I'm not a Tobias fan, it was Tobias that ultimately bought me to this board. I grew up a Magic Fan, but I still wouldn't BLINDLY follow the opinions of Hennigan or any other GM for that matter.

There are players who can do no wrong in the eyes of some posters on this board. I don't know if some of you choose to simply ignore the large amount of bias that goes on here in attempts to support management decisions, but IMO i'm glad I can at least I can put a finger on the reason for my allegiance to Tobias

tiderulz · Post #2295 » by **tiderulz** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:37 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:
mojosodope wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Tobias didn't favorite that article or tweet.

yes he did, go take a look at the original tweet

https://twitter.com/adamosgp/status/615711914098827265

My fault, I didn't see any favorites on it until I clicked into details. That's pretty f'd up tbh.

ehh, maybe Tobias see's that we need that dirty, do everything PF too.

tiderulz · Post #2296 » by **tiderulz** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:38 pm

407Junkie wrote:Tobias and his fan boys act like sensitive little b***hes when it comes to criticism of him and not everyone liking his playing style. If he goes somewhere and becomes this future hall of famer like some are projecting then I'll say I was wrong but I doubt it. All the big bad fans and Magic organization conspiring to stop his shine is funny but at the same time pathetic. Only reason I'm pissed is because it looks like we're gonna get nothing for him when he should've been traded last season. Between this euro, Gordon, and Fournier I'm pretty sure they'll survive. Not to mention all this cap space that let some of yall tell we can't give away.

shadrock · Post #2297 » by **shadrock** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:42 pm

Like I've said all along, Tobias is selfish and his mindset doesnt fit with the collective mindset of the rest of this team. Selfish me first loser. And now reports he doesn't want to play for Skiles again. Dont let your ego hit the door on the way out.

By the way, where all all those sulky Tobes fangirls who were on me all year about Tobes not being this selfish egocentric player? What are your thoughts now? Running out of defenses.

tiderulz · Post #2298 » by **tiderulz** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:43 pm

floppymoose wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
floppymoose wrote:
The Magic were a poor defensive team last year. On such a team, you would expect even an average defender to help them. Instead, they were worse defensively when Harris was on the floor. By a lot. The raw numbers are here:
http://www.82games.com/1415/14ORL10.HTM#onoff
You could do special pleading and say it's because of who he takes the floor with or against, but the adjusted numbers take that into account and they are bad too:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/5

There is a similar pattern if you look at numbers from the prior season.

Harris is part of the problem. The idea that he is even an average defender now is a very tough sell. The real question is can he become a good defender down the road.

But yet ignore this from the very same website.
http://www.82games.com/1415/1415ORL.HTM

I don't think you want to point at that. It too says that Magic were worse when Harris was on the floor.

Mostly this debate is showing that those who don't like on/off data simply don't understand it. It's tough to discuss it under those circumstances.

interesting, i thought it showed that HArris did the best out performing his opponents.

Orlwillbeback · Post #2299 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:43 pm

We should still match on harris and then move him if we have to in a year or two. If harris leaves, our depth versatility and shooting will be diminished.

BadMofoPimp · Post #2300 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:45 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:We should still match on harris and then move him if we have to in a year or two. If harris leaves, our depth versatility and shooting will be diminished.

Exactly. His contract even at Max value will be even more tradeable in a year or two as the cap drastically increases.

You don't just let young assets just walk.