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2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II

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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#61 » by fishercob » Wed Jul 8, 2015 10:45 am

FAH1223 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AkbarRazaNaqvi/status/618536602411892736[/tweet]
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Getting rid of Blair could make some sense -- particularly if we could replace him with someone like Withey or Aldrich. Hell, even Seraphin, Amundson and Amare are better options.

You actually wouldn't need or want to stretch Blair. The first thing you'd do is approach him about a buyout -- make it clear to him that he's not playing, and see if his freedom is worth anything to him. If he's not willing to play ball, just cut him outright. We'll need every dollar cap space we can get our hands on next summer. I don't want $666K in dead money from stretching Blair to complicate things.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#62 » by stevemcqueen1 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 11:45 am

The guy is right that keeping Seraphin is only viable if you dump Blair. But he is also only viable on a one year deal. The only way I see him taking that is if he doesn't get any other offers that don't suck.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#63 » by Rafael122 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:12 pm

Something interesting I was following on Twitter, Minnesota signing Neal and trading him to the Wiz into the TPE. That would allow the Wiz to still use the BAE next season (unless they have to renounce it to get more cap space).
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#64 » by fishercob » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:27 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Something interesting I was following on Twitter, Minnesota signing Neal and trading him to the Wiz into the TPE. That would allow the Wiz to still use the BAE next season (unless they have to renounce it to get more cap space).


It's really academic. The Wiz are going to be under the cap next summer. They're going to use that cap space to go after Durant. If that's the case, the BAE won't be available to them.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#65 » by verbal8 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 2:56 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Something interesting I was following on Twitter, Minnesota signing Neal and trading him to the Wiz into the TPE. That would allow the Wiz to still use the BAE next season (unless they have to renounce it to get more cap space).


It's really academic. The Wiz are going to be under the cap next summer. They're going to use that cap space to go after Durant. If that's the case, the BAE won't be available to them.


The maneuver makes sense for both sides. The Twolves get a TPE and the Wizards can keep the BAE.
The BAE could potentially be used this offseason - I think a deal with the second year with no guaranteed money would be the perfect use of it.

There also is a small chance that Durant or Horford are dealt in trades vs. FA signings. There isn't a financial advantage to the player, but they can end up with a better supporting cast via S&T. One possible scenario might be something where OKC ends up in a position to acquire Blake Griffin. Even a couple small incentives from the Wizards might be enough to put that together(either as separate deals or a 3-way).
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#66 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:28 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Something interesting I was following on Twitter, Minnesota signing Neal and trading him to the Wiz into the TPE. That would allow the Wiz to still use the BAE next season (unless they have to renounce it to get more cap space).


It's really academic. The Wiz are going to be under the cap next summer. They're going to use that cap space to go after Durant. If that's the case, the BAE won't be available to them.

How about if Durant doesn't come? Any chance of that?
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#67 » by jivelikenice » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:30 pm

They'd still be under the cap and would have to use it elsewhere.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#68 » by fishercob » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:30 pm

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fishercob wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Something interesting I was following on Twitter, Minnesota signing Neal and trading him to the Wiz into the TPE. That would allow the Wiz to still use the BAE next season (unless they have to renounce it to get more cap space).


It's really academic. The Wiz are going to be under the cap next summer. They're going to use that cap space to go after Durant. If that's the case, the BAE won't be available to them.

How about if Durant doesn't come? Any chance of that?


What's your point? Do you think that I think there's a chance that Durant won't come?
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#69 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:01 pm

jivelikenice wrote:They'd still be under the cap and would have to use it elsewhere.


Exactly. No matter what, they will have max cap space next summer - which means no MLE/BAE/TPE. All that stuff will be renounced regardless of whether KD2DC happens or not, because if they don't sign Durant they will still sign (or trade for) someone else.

Not seeing what the argument is about, other than the mandatory "geez, why didn't Ernie do it this other better way" reflex anytime the team does something.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#70 » by JAR69 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:19 pm

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Re: Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#71 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:22 pm

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pineappleheadindc wrote:.
With Alan Anderson coming aboard, that brings the Wiz roster up to 14.

You know what we need now? A wing player.

Come one, Ernie. Get her done!

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The really Ernie thing to do would be, just leave the last spot open for Ray Allen.


:)

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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#72 » by jivelikenice » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:29 pm

fishercob wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AkbarRazaNaqvi/status/618536602411892736[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AkbarRazaNaqvi/status/618536716463407104[/tweet]


Getting rid of Blair could make some sense -- particularly if we could replace him with someone like Withey or Aldrich. Hell, even Seraphin, Amundson and Amare are better options.

You actually wouldn't need or want to stretch Blair. The first thing you'd do is approach him about a buyout -- make it clear to him that he's not playing, and see if his freedom is worth anything to him. If he's not willing to play ball, just cut him outright. We'll need every dollar cap space we can get our hands on next summer. I don't want $666K in dead money from stretching Blair to complicate things.


Cut him outright. The Wizards instantly cut 3 players outright when they traded for Gortat. Whats one now? Re-sign Seraphin, and then try to get Luc w/the last spot...Pladowwwwwww :wink:
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Re: Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#73 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:37 pm

fishercob wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AkbarRazaNaqvi/status/618536602411892736[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AkbarRazaNaqvi/status/618536716463407104[/tweet]


Getting rid of Blair could make some sense -- particularly if we could replace him with someone like Withey or Aldrich. Hell, even Seraphin, Amundson and Amare are better options.

You actually wouldn't need or want to stretch Blair. The first thing you'd do is approach him about a buyout -- make it clear to him that he's not playing, and see if his freedom is worth anything to him. If he's not willing to play ball, just cut him outright. We'll need every dollar cap space we can get our hands on next summer. I don't want $666K in dead money from stretching Blair to complicate things.


Know what I think?

Start Blair at PF. Force teams to get him off the offensive boards. Start Wall, Beal, and Porter along with Gortat and Blair.

Gortat is fast for a center. Blair's deficiency in mobility is not so bad that he cannot still have 20 point/20 rebound games.

Blair is and always has been better than Seraphin.

The 95% of fans who think Blair isn't any good are wrong.

The same people who want Blair traded cannot understand how adding two or three wings too many will produce diminished returns on what should be left alone. Otto Porter is a SF. Every added wing is just another player who takes minutes from Porter at his best position.

I anticipate arguments about how bad Blair is. They will ONLY USE HIS WIZARD STATS. They will ignore playoffs over many different seasons. They're not going to address Blair already starting at PF, not C, on much better teams than Washington. Yes, Blair is foul prone. But so is Seraphin.

To me, it is pretty obvious that Blair is still young, Blair is still signed to a great deal; AND THE WIZARDS WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER TRY THIS LINEUP:

Wall, Beal, Porter, Dudley, Blair

Sometimes I may use an attention step to just get one original thought out there. (Porter is the best SF prospect despite the many wings added).

Bonus thought: Why on earth would you trade Blair, when he's young, cheaply signed, and very capable of producing at PF or C?
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#74 » by Tricky_Kid » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:40 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/618841172090454016[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/618839253624057859[/tweet]

DJ is a classless guy.Words don't mean nothing to him.

If Player can break agreement can we do the same with (pick: Neal, AA) and find a decent big?
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Re: Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#75 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:50 pm

fishercob wrote:
payitforward wrote:
fishercob wrote:
It's really academic. The Wiz are going to be under the cap next summer. They're going to use that cap space to go after Durant. If that's the case, the BAE won't be available to them.

How about if Durant doesn't come? Any chance of that?


What's your point? Do you think that I think there's a chance that Durant won't come?


The Clippers, Warriors, and Mavericks are also interested in pursuing Durant.

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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#76 » by fishercob » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:54 pm

Tricky_Kid wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/618841172090454016[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/618839253624057859[/tweet]

DJ is a classless guy.Words don't mean nothing to him.

If Player can break agreement can we do the same with (pick: Neal, AA) and find a decent big?


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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#77 » by jivelikenice » Wed Jul 8, 2015 7:47 pm

Him going back to LAC would seemingly knock them and Dallas out of the running
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Re: Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#78 » by 80sballboy » Wed Jul 8, 2015 7:54 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
fishercob wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AkbarRazaNaqvi/status/618536602411892736[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AkbarRazaNaqvi/status/618536716463407104[/tweet]


Getting rid of Blair could make some sense -- particularly if we could replace him with someone like Withey or Aldrich. Hell, even Seraphin, Amundson and Amare are better options.

You actually wouldn't need or want to stretch Blair. The first thing you'd do is approach him about a buyout -- make it clear to him that he's not playing, and see if his freedom is worth anything to him. If he's not willing to play ball, just cut him outright. We'll need every dollar cap space we can get our hands on next summer. I don't want $666K in dead money from stretching Blair to complicate things.


Know what I think?

Start Blair at PF. Force teams to get him off the offensive boards. Start Wall, Beal, and Porter along with Gortat and Blair.

Gortat is fast for a center. Blair's deficiency in mobility is not so bad that he cannot still have 20 point/20 rebound games.

Blair is and always has been better than Seraphin.

The 95% of fans who think Blair isn't any good are wrong.

The same people who want Blair traded cannot understand how adding two or three wings too many will produce diminished returns on what should be left alone. Otto Porter is a SF. Every added wing is just another player who takes minutes from Porter at his best position.

I anticipate arguments about how bad Blair is. They will ONLY USE HIS WIZARD STATS. They will ignore playoffs over many different seasons. They're not going to address Blair already starting at PF, not C, on much better teams than Washington. Yes, Blair is foul prone. But so is Seraphin.

To me, it is pretty obvious that Blair is still young, Blair is still signed to a great deal; AND THE WIZARDS WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER TRY THIS LINEUP:

Wall, Beal, Porter, Dudley, Blair

Sometimes I may use an attention step to just get one original thought out there. (Porter is the best SF prospect despite the many wings added).

Bonus thought: Why on earth would you trade Blair, when he's young, cheaply signed, and very capable of producing at PF or C?


Blair is a role player CCJ. I say that as a fan who always wanted him here since his days at Pitt. If he can get himself in shape, he can help but he was fat last year.
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Re: Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#79 » by DCZards » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:50 pm

80sballboy wrote:
Blair is a role player CCJ. I say that as a fan who always wanted him here since his days at Pitt. If he can get himself in shape, he can help but he was fat last year.


Yeah, Blair needs to lose weight before he should be even considered for a starting job. And starting both Gortat and Blair would clog the middle just like it did by starting Gortat and Nene...probably even more so since Blair can't shoot and teams would not have to guard against him making the short jumper that Nene and Hump will often knock down.

The Zards are building their offense around its best player, JWall, which means opening up the middle for drives and PnR with Gortat, and spreading the floor with Beal, Dudley, Neal, Anderson, Porter, Webster (maybe) and Oubre (hopefully), shooters who JWall will find for a ton of open looks.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#80 » by Rafael122 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:13 pm

If Dallas loses Jordan, and subsequently loses Matthews too, would it make sense to work out a trade w/Dallas for Webster and Blair? Dallas will have a ton of cap space, and they'll most likely tank but at least this gives them a wing and a backup center. IDK...worth a shot, gets rid of $7.5 mil of salary.
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