Kanter: Should they match?

[bondom34]

I'm concerned matching this Kanter offer means they lose Serge or Russ. Possibly both on their next deals.

Nah.

Kanter will be traded by then most likely.

And the cap will be like doubled.

[slick_watts]

Sam Presti held onto Kendrick Perkins for as long as he possibly could before trading him. The idea that he will trade Kanter at the first sign of incompatibility with the roster seems far fetched given his history.

[Podirk]

Sam Presti held onto Kendrick Perkins for as long as he possibly could before trading him. The idea that he will trade Kanter at the first sign of incompatibility with the roster seems far fetched given his history.

I'm assuming Kanter would be more tradable due to his strength is offense.

[hardenASG13]

They need to match. Im hopeful being on a great team for the first time in his career will up his defensive effort. This is probably the first team hes been on where not bringing it defensively isnt tollerated. I think he can at least get to average level, which would be fine considering how good he is offensively. A lineup of westbrook,A-Mo, durant, ibaka, and kanter for stretches in games would be amazing offensively. They would be ok defensively if kanter gives them anything and would put together crazy runs offensively.

[Marcus50]

Kanter will start if Presti prepared to pay that amount. At that level he will also playing 30+ minutes per night. If Donovan is seeking to play small ball for say 10 minutes then Adams and Mitch will be battling for the remaining 8-10 minutes. Someone is going to be missing out.

[Podirk]

Kanter will start if Presti prepared to pay that amount. At that level he will also playing 30+ minutes per night. If Donovan is seeking to play small ball for say 10 minutes then Adams and Mitch will be battling for the remaining 8-10 minutes. Someone is going to be missing out.

By that standard singles is your starting two guard and the bench is augustin morrow dion novak nick.

I'm gonna guess Thunder want to develop their lineups outside of highest to lowest salary.

[miltk]

The only reason they should match is if they feel that not matching would seriously impact Kevin Durant's decision to remain in OKC.

this is exactly what it's about. seems to me, okc though doing extremely well in drafting young talent, never gets over the hump. i do not believe they can go on convincing kd or westy that they're committed to getting a ring if they're not willing to pay up. westy leaves it all on the floor, least okc can do is make the same commitment. if okc doesn't it WILL be about retaining their superstars. kantor maybe be a prob but that was at utah

[No-Man]

I honestly dont think Durant cares at all about Kanter staying or not, if he is smart he should know that the Thunder better off with Adams
The only reason why I'd match if I am the Thunder is if I suspect that Durant is planning on leaving, period.

[bondom34]

Honestly the only way KD should play into this is if he has direct say. Kanter isn't someone you build around so if KD leaves Kanter doesn't help. I doubt he leaves, in which case I don't think they need Kanter anyway. That said, I'm just gonna accept that I'll dislike this contract.

[Podirk]

Honestly the only way KD should play into this is if he has direct say. Kanter isn't someone you build around so if KD leaves Kanter doesn't help. I doubt he leaves, in which case I don't think they need Kanter anyway. That said, I'm just gonna accept that I'll dislike this contract.

Think of it this way, in the 16-/17 season when player X , making 15-20 mill is available and would fill an actual need of the Thunder, the Thunder will have a contract to trade for player X without losing KD, Russ, or Ibaka.

[bondom34]

Honestly the only way KD should play into this is if he has direct say. Kanter isn't someone you build around so if KD leaves Kanter doesn't help. I doubt he leaves, in which case I don't think they need Kanter anyway. That said, I'm just gonna accept that I'll dislike this contract.

Think of it this way, in the 16-/17 season when player X , making 15-20 mill is available and would fill an actual need of the Thunder, the Thunder will have a contract to trade for player X without losing KD, Russ, or Ibaka.

Or, next offseason even with KD's cap hold, they could have an actual substantial amount of cap space.

[Podirk]

Honestly the only way KD should play into this is if he has direct say. Kanter isn't someone you build around so if KD leaves Kanter doesn't help. I doubt he leaves, in which case I don't think they need Kanter anyway. That said, I'm just gonna accept that I'll dislike this contract.

Think of it this way, in the 16-/17 season when player X , making 15-20 mill is available and would fill an actual need of the Thunder, the Thunder will have a contract to trade for player X without losing KD, Russ, or Ibaka.

Or, next offseason even with KD's cap hold, they could have an actual substantial amount of cap space.

When OKCs biggest FA has been Anthony Morrow...you go with the trade route.

I see the point though. I just don't want to compete with all the teams freeing up cap space / that will have it with the rising cap.

[bondom34]

Think of it this way, in the 16-/17 season when player X , making 15-20 mill is available and would fill an actual need of the Thunder, the Thunder will have a contract to trade for player X without losing KD, Russ, or Ibaka.

Or, next offseason even with KD's cap hold, they could have an actual substantial amount of cap space.

When OKCs biggest FA has been Anthony Morrow...you go with the trade route.

I see the point though. I just don't want to compete with all the teams freeing up cap space / that will have it with the rising cap.

That's been the biggest free agent for a team who's never ever had cap space. Ever.

[Podirk]

Or, next offseason even with KD's cap hold, they could have an actual substantial amount of cap space.

When OKCs biggest FA has been Anthony Morrow...you go with the trade route.

I see the point though. I just don't want to compete with all the teams freeing up cap space / that will have it with the rising cap.

That's been the biggest free agent for a team who's never ever had cap space. Ever.

Another good point, though I'm not sure the percentages will go up going from MLE level players to near max.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Honestly the only way KD should play into this is if he has direct say. Kanter isn't someone you build around so if KD leaves Kanter doesn't help. I doubt he leaves, in which case I don't think they need Kanter anyway. That said, I'm just gonna accept that I'll dislike this contract.

I'm sure Presti knows what KD's opinion on bringing Kanter back is. KD has been chilling with him during summer league. I'm sure they have talked about most players in the organization and how KD feels about them. Those don't even have to be planed conversations. They could just come while watching the game talking about Dakari Johnson banging in the pain, McGary showing off, Cook giving some highlight reel plays, Christon's passing and handle, etc. I'm not saying KD has any direct say on the roster, but Presti would be foolish not to be having conversations about the team to him, especially when they are hanging out in Florida.

[Zack M]

Bring him back whatever the cost

[CancerAssassin]

This is my issue with matching. Looking ahead a couple years is what concerns me about matching. For 2017 we would have
PG- Payne
SG
SF - Singler, Heustis
PF - McGary
C - Kanter
Say we signed KD and Russ for $55M. This is the year the repeater tax would take effect. Even with a Cap of ~$100M you're talking about ~$15M to resign Ibaka, Adams, Roberson, A-Mo and filler (2017 draft pick, Collison, Waiters, Augustin, Semaj, Dakari, etc).

It seems like a 1-2 year championship window before the piggy bank breaks unless someone gives us some Spurs-esque discounts.

[Marcus50]

This is my issue with matching. Looking ahead a couple years is what concerns me about matching. For 2017 we would have
PG- Payne
SG
SF - Singler, Heustis
PF - McGary
C - Kanter
Say we signed KD and Russ for $55M. This is the year the repeater tax would take effect. Even with a Cap of ~$100M you're talking about ~$15M to resign Ibaka, Adams, Roberson, A-Mo and filler (2017 draft pick, Collison, Waiters, Augustin, Semaj, Dakari, etc).

It seems like a 1-2 year championship window before the piggy bank breaks unless someone gives us some Spurs-esque discounts.

Kanter is worth more than Serge??? If Kanter is worth 17.5 Serge is worth 20+ especially becuase he has to do his own job and Kanters defense

[Marcus50]

Here is my issue. The contract has little trade value - No trade provision in the first year, as a 15% trade bonus plus a 4th year player option. Sure anything may be tradeable but we would get sod all in return. This is way more onerous on the organization than the Perk deal was and I'd argue Perks offense was better than Kanters defense

Then add the tax for next year of at least $11M so he costs the organisation $28M in year 1 (assuming they can give Perry and Novak away free to a good home) and if his defense does not improve has an awful contract from a trade value point of view. I just don't get that he is worth the risk.

[Marcus50]

Honestly the only way KD should play into this is if he has direct say. Kanter isn't someone you build around so if KD leaves Kanter doesn't help. I doubt he leaves, in which case I don't think they need Kanter anyway. That said, I'm just gonna accept that I'll dislike this contract.

Think of it this way, in the 16-/17 season when player X , making 15-20 mill is available and would fill an actual need of the Thunder, the Thunder will have a contract to trade for player X without losing KD, Russ, or Ibaka.

The huge assumption you are making is the team with Player X wants Kanter. We would only want to trade him if his defense remains tragic so Im not so sure it provides the option you are suggesting here