2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

[yosemiteben]

And now there ain't anybody worth using the MLE on.

Which in my mind further supports the point that they were ready to move on.

Just because they were ready to move on don't make them right.

I didn't argue one way or the other. My point was that the Marv signing did not prevent them from signing Biz. They moved on because of their views on him as a player, not because they didn't have the financial ability to sign him like you proposed.

[BeesWax]

Ok well then maybe we should both stop repeating the same stuff then. I just put the response down that is what your same comment earns. If your comment was different there would likely be a different response.

[yosemiteben]

Ok well then maybe we should both stop repeating the same stuff then. I just put the response down that is what your same comment earns. If your comment was different there would likely be a different response.

[catch20two]

Which in my mind further supports the point that they were ready to move on.

Just because they were ready to move on don't make them right.

I didn't argue one way or the other. My point was that the Marv signing did not prevent them from signing Biz. They moved on because of their views on him as a player, not because they didn't have the financial ability to sign him like you proposed.

And moving on was the wrong decision.

[yosemiteben]

And moving on was the wrong decision.

Perhaps, we'll see.

[BeesWax]

Which in my mind further supports the point that they were ready to move on.

Just because they were ready to move on don't make them right.

I didn't argue one way or the other. My point was that the Marv signing did not prevent them from signing Biz. They moved on because of their views on him as a player, not because they didn't have the financial ability to sign him like you proposed.

What kept them from making the offer was that it would have costs us the Bi-Annual and the higher MLE as BOB explained. That could have been caused by a number of guys including the trade for Batum which raised our payroll. Then the thought has to be can we afford to keep a guy who the coach won't properly use? I would argue Biz had to go because otherwise it is a waste of money for a year until we move on to an intelligent coach. Everything this offseason has been incredibly short sighted and this was just another example of that.

[yosemiteben]

What kept them from making the offer was that it would have costs us the Bi-Annual and the higher MLE as BOB explained. That could have been caused by a number of guys including the trade for Batum which raised our payroll.

Like I pointed out before in my original response to catch22, if we were just trying to preserve flexibility we could have communicated with him that we'd use the MLE and waive his bird rights, which I believe would have preserved those exemptions. The full MLE was much higher than his deal with TOR, if money was the issue he would've waited.

Then the thought has to be can we afford to keep a guy who the coach won't properly use? I would argue Biz had to go because otherwise it is a waste of money for a year until we move on to an intelligent coach. Everything this offseason has been incredibly short sighted and this was just another example of that.

"Ok well then maybe we should both stop repeating the same stuff then."

[BeesWax]

Maybe we did but our idiot coach made him want to leave. We could have told him we were going to offer out of our MLE but wanted to keep the bi and he said ok and bolted to get as far from here as he could. Man he fled the country to get away. Again you make a ton of assumptions that can just as easily go the other way when you look at them. All I can say is the numbers backed that he should have played much more than Al and that our coach was playing stupid so that could easily piss a agent or player off.

[LofJ]

Considering what is left in free agency you can't make a legitimate argument that letting Biz walk was the right decision. We have no players in our frontcort now who excel at rebounding and shot blocking. And there is no one left that would have mutual interest with us in signing for the MLE. Having the MLE available to us is worthless at the moment. Who are we going to sign with it that would fill Biyombo's role? Jeff Withey? Not worth that much. Okafor? Ditto. Seraphin? lol. The only guy who could step in to fill Biz's shoes and is actually worth the full MLE is Larry Sanders. If that happens we made the right call, but that isn't likely to happen.

[Bassman]

The problem we have in filling Biz shoes is we already made a deal, and got Hawes. Of course he is no shot blocker, or defender. But they made that deal, and they see a commitment of minutes to him.

It still gets down to minutes. We added some depth this offseason for sure, but PT distribution is still important to players.

We need a trade to bring the right guy here.

[LofJ]

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The Wolves need a veteran point guard and will have a log jam in their frontcourt when Pekovic comes back. Once he comes back I think an offer of Roberts and our protected 2016 1st would be enough to entice them to make the trade.

[Snidely FC]

Marvin Williams to MIL for Miles Plumlee

CHA lose offense and flexibility in terms of SF/PF depth, but adds C defender

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pmcnusl

[yosemiteben]

Marvin Williams to MIL for Miles Plumlee

CHA lose offense and flexibility in terms of SF/PF depth, but adds C defender

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pmcnusl

Sign me up. Miles seems like he would thrive under Cliff as a defender. Good lateral movement so he'd be a good PNR defender, and can hit the midrange J enough to demand at least a little attention.

[Liver_Pooty]

Marvin Williams to MIL for Miles Plumlee

CHA lose offense and flexibility in terms of SF/PF depth, but adds C defender

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pmcnusl

Would be a solid move.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Zeller, Kaminsky, Hawes, Plumlee. When Al gets hurt/fatter we'll have the whitest big man rotation ever.

[yosemiteben]

Zeller, Kaminsky, Hawes, Plumlee. When Al gets hurt/fatter we'll have the whitest big man rotation ever.

Has Cole Aldrich signed for LAC yet? If so, no worries, believe Jeff Whithey is unsigned.

[HornetJail]

Marvin Williams to MIL for Miles Plumlee

CHA lose offense and flexibility in terms of SF/PF depth, but adds C defender

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pmcnusl

I don't think the Bucks would take $7M in salary just to offload Plumlee.

[HornetJail]

Zeller, Kaminsky, Hawes, Plumlee. When Al gets hurt/fatter we'll have the whitest big man rotation ever.

Has Cole Aldrich signed for LAC yet? If so, no worries, believe Jeff Whithey is unsigned.

#BringBackMully

[yosemiteben]

Marvin Williams to MIL for Miles Plumlee

CHA lose offense and flexibility in terms of SF/PF depth, but adds C defender

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pmcnusl

I don't think the Bucks would take $7M in salary just to offload Plumlee.

May be right, but after signing Monroe and extending Middleton they aren't one of the teams that are going to have endless cap space next offseason (just a lot of cap space), so maybe they could be persuaded. They could use some SF / PF help so maybe they'd be interested.

Honestly I'm not sure we need a big like Plumlee more than we need a veteran wing, so I guess I'm not 100% sold on the trade in the first place, but I'd probably do it.

[Eoghan]

Zeller, Kaminsky, Hawes, Plumlee. When Al gets hurt/fatter we'll have the whitest big man rotation ever.

Has Cole Aldrich signed for LAC yet? If so, no worries, believe Jeff Whithey is unsigned.

The great Greg Stiemsma is out there too.