Political Roundtable - Part VII

[pineappleheadindc]

I'm currently watching John Kasich at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire (I love C-SPAN). He's a real smart guy. I really am enjoying his discussion on policy. IF you're a Republican (I'm not), this is a guy to keep an eye on.

[fishercob]

I'm currently watching John Kasich at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire (I love C-SPAN). He's a real smart guy. I really am enjoying his discussion on policy. IF you're a Republican (I'm not), this is a guy to keep an eye on.

Kasich is a guy who I disagree with on some major issues but could stand as President.

[nate33]

another day in America, another shooting.

if only something could be done

So far in July this year, Chicago has seen 38 shot and killed plus another 195 shot and wounded.

[dobrojim]

well there are clearly some worse choices, probably a lot of worse choices.

[fishercob]

another day in America, another shooting.

if only something could be done

So far in July this year, Chicago has seen 38 shot and killed plus another 195 shot and wounded.

This is a sort of curious response to Jim's post.

[Dat2U]

another day in America, another shooting.

if only something could be done

So far in July this year, Chicago has seen 38 shot and killed plus another 195 shot and wounded.

And something needs to be done about that as well. But when you have soul crushing poverty in city of millions, you tend to see some people lose the will to live. It's hard to see value in life when you feel completely forgotten about or neglected in your own life.

[Dat2U]

another day in America, another shooting.

if only something could be done

So far in July this year, Chicago has seen 38 shot and killed plus another 195 shot and wounded.

This is a sort of curious response to Jim's post.

I think we all know where he's going with that. It's the standard response for many conservatives nowadays.

[dckingsfan]

So far in July this year, Chicago has seen 38 shot and killed plus another 195 shot and wounded.

This is a sort of curious response to Jim's post.

I think we all know where he's going with that. It's the standard response for many conservatives nowadays.

Are these the "standards"?

The Second Amendment does not give citizens the right to keep and bear arms, but only allows for the state to keep a militia (National Guard). Individuals do not need guns for protection; it is the role of local and federal government to protect the people through law enforcement agencies and the military. Additional gun control laws (and hopefully the collection of all guns) are necessary to stop gun violence and limit the ability of criminals to obtain guns. More guns mean more violence.

vs.

The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to keep and bear arms. Individuals have the right to defend themselves. Additional laws will not lower gun crime rates. What is needed is enforcement of current laws. Gun control laws do not prevent criminals from obtaining guns. More guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens mean less crime.

[dckingsfan]

Also, shocked to see we "only" had 3 cities in the top 50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

[nate33]

another day in America, another shooting.

if only something could be done

So far in July this year, Chicago has seen 38 shot and killed plus another 195 shot and wounded.

This is a sort of curious response to Jim's post.

I assumed the implied point of of Jim's post was that stricter gun control laws are needed. Chicago has the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

[fishercob]

So far in July this year, Chicago has seen 38 shot and killed plus another 195 shot and wounded.

This is a sort of curious response to Jim's post.

I assumed the implied point of of Jim's post was that stricter gun control laws are needed. Chicago has the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

Maybe. I took it more at face value.

But even if that's what Jim was saying, your response presents a latent contentment with the status quo. "If gun control doesn't work in Chicago, there's no sense in trying it anywhere." As a citizen and a voter, I'm pretty uncomfortable with that. I certainly don't have all the answers, but think something must be done.

Interesting piece: http://www.vox.com/2015/7/24/9030337/gun-violence-mass-shootings

[JWizmentality]

Also, shocked to see we "only" had 3 cities in the top 50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Yikes South America. That's eye popping. Not a list USA should be on in the civilized world.

[JWizmentality]

This is a sort of curious response to Jim's post.

I assumed the implied point of of Jim's post was that stricter gun control laws are needed. Chicago has the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

Maybe. I took it more at face value.

But even if that's what Jim was saying, your response presents a latent contentment with the status quo. "If gun control doesn't work in Chicago, there's no sense in trying it anywhere." As a citizen and a voter, I'm pretty uncomfortable with that. I certainly don't have all the answers, but think something must be done.

Interesting piece: http://www.vox.com/2015/7/24/9030337/gun-violence-mass-shootings

+1000. I don't buy this defeatist attitude. No one expects enacting better gun control laws will suddenly change everything. America has a gun culture problem and the strictest laws won't solve that overnight. But this "thieves will steal so let's leave our doors open" attitude is unacceptable.

[Induveca]

Ironically much of "wealthy" Latin America has kept the drastic violence out of their neighborhoods/homes/suburbs by deploying community trained and deployed heavily armed guards.

Guns to scare away guns. Not something I'd advocate for here, but works very well for upper middle class/wealthy in Latin America.

[Zonkerbl]

Much as I would love to use any and all opportunities to harp on the need to ban all handguns and "assault rifles" (however the heck you define it) I think it is fairly obvious that the enormous crime rates in Central and South America are directly linked to our idiotic war on drugs.

We can save thousands of lives by legalizing marijuana, heroine, and cocaine and create stronger neighbors who will generate enough wealth to buy our stuff. Good outcomes all around.

[nate33]

Maybe. I took it more at face value.

But even if that's what Jim was saying, your response presents a latent contentment with the status quo. "If gun control doesn't work in Chicago, there's no sense in trying it anywhere." As a citizen and a voter, I'm pretty uncomfortable with that. I certainly don't have all the answers, but think something must be done.

When you put these two thoughts together, bad policies generally follow.

[nate33]

Interesting piece: http://www.vox.com/2015/7/24/9030337/gun-violence-mass-shootings

There are other reasons why the homicide rate in the U.S. is well above those in developed nations. But if I point them out, I get labeled a racist.

[Zonkerbl]

Interesting piece: http://www.vox.com/2015/7/24/9030337/gun-violence-mass-shootings

There are other reasons why the homicide rate in the U.S. is well above those in developed nations. But if I point them out, I get labeled a racist.

So rather than accept the explanation that is the most obvious and is most clearly shown in the facts, you would rather insist on the racist explanation? That N*****s are a bunch of thugs, an inferior race of people who are too stupid not to shoot each other all the time?

Why is that the dominant explanation in your mind Nate?

[fishercob]

Maybe. I took it more at face value.

But even if that's what Jim was saying, your response presents a latent contentment with the status quo. "If gun control doesn't work in Chicago, there's no sense in trying it anywhere." As a citizen and a voter, I'm pretty uncomfortable with that. I certainly don't have all the answers, but think something must be done.

When you put these two thoughts together, bad policies generally follow.

I'm not a policy maker and I'm not advocating a specific policy. But I'm not satisfied with the status quo and don't feel I'm being unfair to my elected representatives by telling them to figure out how to improve the situation. Given the fact that other countries have figured out much more effective ways to manage this problem, I don't think it's an unrealistic request.

[fishercob]

Political coordinates test.

My dot overlaps almost completely with Bill Clinton's.

I should probably go get tested.

http://www.celebritytypes.com/political-coordinates/test.php