The Andrew Wiggins Thread

[NBACommissioner]

For clarification do you believe the average NBA player is less skilled than the average European player?

I believe there are different skills. The average NBA player is more skilled athletically and individually (things like ballhandling, creating your own shot...), while the average European player shows better fundamentals, team skills and IQ in general.

Part of it is also how the game is called on each side of the pond, which is a huge factor for how it affects players' development first and performance later (European stars need to adjust to the NBA game just like NBA stars would need to adjust to strict FIBA rules -not the ones allowed during the Olympics and WC, by the way-).

Now, if what you want to know is if I think the NBA has the best players overall, that's out of the question, the NBA does possess the best concentration of players compared to any other national league, period. Basketball is too big in the States compared to Europe overall (those Lithuanians though...) even without it being the top sport in the country, and the athletic advantage is too important in a sport like this one.

this^^^European/International basketball is also more of a team-oriented game than the NBA with the exception of the Spurs (who are very international).

[NewWolvesOrder]

What does all this Europe vs. NBA stuff have to do with Wiggins again?

I was saying that Wiggins and many athletes for that matter thrive in the NBA because it's rules promote athletes. Whereas in Fiba a player like Wiggins could struggle because he isn't super skilled at this point and the international game is much more skill based than NBA where you can get by with superior athleticism and weak fundamental skills. If Wiggins can't knock down threes consistently he's going to have a tough time i'd think because the key will be jammed just like college.

So why did Faried dominate FIBA World cup last summer?

[A1FromDay1]

What does all this Europe vs. NBA stuff have to do with Wiggins again?

I was saying that Wiggins and many athletes for that matter thrive in the NBA because it's rules promote athletes. Whereas in Fiba a player like Wiggins could struggle because he isn't super skilled at this point and the international game is much more skill based than NBA where you can get by with superior athleticism and weak fundamental skills. If Wiggins can't knock down threes consistently he's going to have a tough time i'd think because the key will be jammed just like college.

So why did Faried dominate FIBA World cup last summer?

fast breaks and the defense helping on Harden's drives, mostly

[Sugarless]

What does all this Europe vs. NBA stuff have to do with Wiggins again?

I was saying that Wiggins and many athletes for that matter thrive in the NBA because it's rules promote athletes. Whereas in Fiba a player like Wiggins could struggle because he isn't super skilled at this point and the international game is much more skill based than NBA where you can get by with superior athleticism and weak fundamental skills. If Wiggins can't knock down threes consistently he's going to have a tough time i'd think because the key will be jammed just like college.

So why did Faried dominate FIBA World cup last summer?

Faried did not dominate, that story was a product of some US media and fans. He got his numbers from his usual transition points, put-backs, etc., but nothing else. And what he did is fairy easy for that type of player when playing with the guys that were around him and against weaker competition, as teams could not withstand USA's pressure, they often couldn't contain them after a defensive rebound, and they could barely keep him from the glass considering the US usually had 4 guys on the perimeter leaving plenty of space for Faried to do his thing inside. Put a guy as limited as Faried in any other team and he would be in deep trouble with no post game and no outside shot, as he just can't produce on his own.

[theGreatRC]

I was saying that Wiggins and many athletes for that matter thrive in the NBA because it's rules promote athletes. Whereas in Fiba a player like Wiggins could struggle because he isn't super skilled at this point and the international game is much more skill based than NBA where you can get by with superior athleticism and weak fundamental skills. If Wiggins can't knock down threes consistently he's going to have a tough time i'd think because the key will be jammed just like college.

So why did Faried dominate FIBA World cup last summer?

Faried did not dominate, that story was a product of some US media and fans. He got his numbers from his usual transition points, put-backs, etc., but nothing else. And what he did is fairy easy for that type of player when playing with the guys that were around him and against weaker competition, as teams could not withstand USA's pressure, they often couldn't contain them after a defensive rebound, and they could barely keep him from the glass considering the US usually had 4 guys on the perimeter leaving plenty of space for Faried to do his thing inside. Put a guy as limited as Faried in any other team and he would be in deep trouble with no post game and no outside shot, as he just can't produce on his own.

+1. I remember those games. Faried was just his usual self, high energy guy that chased after every rebound and got transition dunks, easy lay ins and put backs. Thing was, most teams were small and couldn't handle Faried because the biggest guy was always on Davis

[Saltine]

Rofl Bennett > wiggins in any scenario? My god

Yea well check this out...

Tim Duncan Pan Am games PPG 15.6 8 Reb 3.4 APG 61.9 FG%

Anthony Bennett Pan Am games PPG 15.6 PPG 9.4 RPG APG 1.2 63.9 FG% .....Bennett shoots 3's too Duncan shot none.

But Bennett has been a totally useless chump when it comes to winning games that matter. When you make comparisons like this you come across as a delusional nutcase, just FYI

[King Malta]

Rofl Bennett > wiggins in any scenario? My god

Yea well check this out...

Tim Duncan Pan Am games PPG 15.6 8 Reb 3.4 APG 61.9 FG%

Anthony Bennett Pan Am games PPG 15.6 PPG 9.4 RPG APG 1.2 63.9 FG% .....Bennett shoots 3's too Duncan shot none.

But Bennett has been a totally useless chump when it comes to winning games that matter. When you make comparisons like this you come across as a delusional nutcase, just FYI

I remember when we had an Andrew Wiggins thread....

[Takingbaconback]

So what? you are saying he's better than Duncan? I'm sure Kwame Brown had better games than Tim Duncan on certain days but so what?

[wildvikeswolves]

I am more skilled than Andrew Wiggins in many areas. None of those skills are relevant to the NBA, no one on a Timberwolves forum is going to care about those skills in the slightest.

Yea but we're talking about basketball skills not English skills...99.99999% of the world is more skilled than Wiggins in terms of speech.

Smh, you sound so foolish.

That's about the nicest way you could have put it

[NBACommissioner]

Yea well check this out...

Tim Duncan Pan Am games PPG 15.6 8 Reb 3.4 APG 61.9 FG%

Anthony Bennett Pan Am games PPG 15.6 PPG 9.4 RPG APG 1.2 63.9 FG% .....Bennett shoots 3's too Duncan shot none.

But Bennett has been a totally useless chump when it comes to winning games that matter. When you make comparisons like this you come across as a delusional nutcase, just FYI

I remember when we had an Andrew Wiggins thread....

Ab completely outplayed Wiggins at the U17 for Canada too...Back to a Wiggins thread haha.

[Crazy-Canuck]

But Bennett has been a totally useless chump when it comes to winning games that matter. When you make comparisons like this you come across as a delusional nutcase, just FYI

I remember when we had an Andrew Wiggins thread....

Ab completely outplayed Wiggins at the U17 for Canada too...Back to a Wiggins thread haha.

AB was 17 while Wiggs was the youngest player in the tourney.

[NBACommissioner]

I remember when we had an Andrew Wiggins thread....

Ab completely outplayed Wiggins at the U17 for Canada too...Back to a Wiggins thread haha.

AB was 17 while Wiggs was the youngest player in the tourney.

Yea but he was more athletic at that age than everyone else in the tourny he should have torn it up.

[Mattya]

Not sure it was posted, but some more video of him working on his game.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=020k1Zoz9Pw[/youtube]

[C.lupus]

More workout video...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCjCi3XQenY[/youtube]

[Note30]

So what? you are saying he's better than Duncan? I'm sure Kwame Brown had better games than Tim Duncan on certain days but so what?

Seriously... that guy needs to get banned. He's purely a troll.

[C.lupus]

So what? you are saying he's better than Duncan? I'm sure Kwame Brown had better games than Tim Duncan on certain days but so what?

Seriously... that guy needs to get banned. He's purely a troll.

He is banned.

[Saltine]

So what? you are saying he's better than Duncan? I'm sure Kwame Brown had better games than Tim Duncan on certain days but so what?

Seriously... that guy needs to get banned. He's purely a troll.

He is banned.

Yay!

[Nitroglycerin]

Really excited about Wiggins. Last season we saw his motivation problems. He was slow at the start. Then he faced Lebron that's where his surge started. After the all star break he was pretty meh and probably hitting the rookie wall, then people started saying maybe Noel,Mirotic or Clarkson should be ROTY. Then Clarkson won ROTW. Then Wiggins dominated once again late in the season. He realized that nobody can stop him and wanted to posterized everybody (its amazing to see his highlights. Defenders were going up then going down but Wiggins was still elevating) and sealed the ROTY award.
In time he should realize the only motivation he needs is that every win counts

[sisibilio]

Tuto Marchand cup starting today in Puerto Rico http://www.fibaamericas.com/en/torneos_cal.asp?t=WQQEMUIWHV&xtab=2
Times in ET. The tournament is streamed through http://www.livebasketball.tv/ so should be lots of pie available

8/23/2015
16:30 Argentina vs Canada
19:00 Puerto Rico vs Brazil

8/24/2015
17:45 Brazil vs Canada
20:00 Dominican Republic vs Puerto Rico

8/25/2015
17:45 Canada vs Dominican Republic
20:00 Brazil vs Argentina

8/26/2015
17:45 Argentina vs Dominican Republic
20:00 Canada vs Puerto Rico

8/27/2015
17:45 Dominican Republic vs Brazil
20:00 Puerto Rico vs Argentina

[AQuintus]

Canada's 1st game is just about to end, and Wiggins has 18 points (6-13), 2 rebounds in 25 minutes. Bennett has 10 points (4-9), 13 rebounds in 33 minutes.