Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

[Jay81]

Ernie gets exposed every year during this team. I dont think he has a clue on how to function in this environment..and yet he still runs an NBA franchise

[hands11]

I have it on a good inside source the EG was extended for 3 more years at 6M a year.

[closg00]

I just checked the rosters of every NBA team, the Wizards are the only team in the NBA that do not have a young/developing player in their front court, Zero.

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

[FAH1223]

I have it on a good inside source the EG was extended for 3 more years at 6M a year.

disgusting

I just checked the rosters of every NBA team, the Wizards are the only team in the NBA that do not have a young/developing player in their front court, Zero.

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

Yeah, wish we had Portis.

[closg00]

EFG has topped himself with this DUDley trade for player with a back injury, evidently a fetish that Ernie has.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

[payitforward]

Was it here we were discussing Ernie's aversion to R2 picks?

I thought of it as I realized how many R2 or undrafted guys this year got multiple fully-guaranteed years on 4 year contracts w/ team options in the last (or last 2) years: Jordan Mickey, Richaun Holmes, Rakeem Christmas, Jonathon Holmes (undrafted), Josh Richardson, Joseph Young, Scottie Wilbekin (undrafted), Anthony Brown (3 years), Maurice Ndour (undrafted -- 3 years 1.5 guaranteed), and a couple of others I've missed.

Some other R2/undrafteds (Robert Upshaw, Cliff Alexander, etc.) have also made teams (but w/ contracts that resemble those of previous years).

Thoughts...?

[Ruzious]

Was it here we were discussing Ernie's aversion to R2 picks?

I thought of it as I realized how many R2 or undrafted guys this year got multiple fully-guaranteed years on 4 year contracts w/ team options in the last (or last 2) years: Jordan Mickey, Richaun Holmes, Rakeem Christmas, Jonathon Holmes (undrafted), Josh Richardson, Joseph Young, Scottie Wilbekin (undrafted), Anthony Brown (3 years), Maurice Ndour (undrafted -- 3 years 1.5 guaranteed), and a couple of others I've missed.

Some other R2/undrafteds (Robert Upshaw, Cliff Alexander, etc.) have also made teams (but w/ contracts that resemble those of previous years).

Thoughts...?

I'm sure NBA teams have more info on Upshaw than we do, and it makes sense that GMs are risk averse, but sometimes there's a fine line between risk averse and being a coward. I would have signed him. Actually, I would have used our 2nd rounder on him. From the interview up on draftexpress, he's not a moron, he knows he made his bed and how to fix it. You just don't find many players that size that have skills and can actually play. Sure, he's a risk - but his contract with LAL is NOT a risk. He's getting league miniumum (only partially guaranteed this season), and his 2nd year has nothing guaranteed.

[closg00]

Was it here we were discussing Ernie's aversion to R2 picks?

I thought of it as I realized how many R2 or undrafted guys this year got multiple fully-guaranteed years on 4 year contracts w/ team options in the last (or last 2) years: Jordan Mickey, Richaun Holmes, Rakeem Christmas, Jonathon Holmes (undrafted), Josh Richardson, Joseph Young, Scottie Wilbekin (undrafted), Anthony Brown (3 years), Maurice Ndour (undrafted -- 3 years 1.5 guaranteed), and a couple of others I've missed.

Some other R2/undrafteds (Robert Upshaw, Cliff Alexander, etc.) have also made teams (but w/ contracts that resemble those of previous years).

Thoughts...?

This is an interesting trend that makes a lot of sense. Rather than pay journeyman players more $ to warm the bench or play spot minutes, make and a small, non-guaranteed investment in overlooked players who look they could easily be drafted in a draft re-do and be total steals for the team. The best values to be had are at the Guard and Forward positions

Our Ernest is a retread player guy all the way, who is around? who is available? not "hey, this guy may be worth giving a shot-to on a non-guaranteed deal.


#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

[verbal8]

Was it here we were discussing Ernie's aversion to R2 picks?

I thought of it as I realized how many R2 or undrafted guys this year got multiple fully-guaranteed years on 4 year contracts w/ team options in the last (or last 2) years: Jordan Mickey, Richaun Holmes, Rakeem Christmas, Jonathon Holmes (undrafted), Josh Richardson, Joseph Young, Scottie Wilbekin (undrafted), Anthony Brown (3 years), Maurice Ndour (undrafted -- 3 years 1.5 guaranteed), and a couple of others I've missed.

Some other R2/undrafteds (Robert Upshaw, Cliff Alexander, etc.) have also made teams (but w/ contracts that resemble those of previous years).

Thoughts...?

I think part of this might be in anticipation of the jump in the cap. If you can have a productive guy or two locked in at a bargain rate - that can allow you to make better use of your cap space. Even if cap space isn't terrible important to the team, a bargain contract can greatly increase a player's trade value.

[verbal8]

Was it here we were discussing Ernie's aversion to R2 picks?

I thought of it as I realized how many R2 or undrafted guys this year got multiple fully-guaranteed years on 4 year contracts w/ team options in the last (or last 2) years: Jordan Mickey, Richaun Holmes, Rakeem Christmas, Jonathon Holmes (undrafted), Josh Richardson, Joseph Young, Scottie Wilbekin (undrafted), Anthony Brown (3 years), Maurice Ndour (undrafted -- 3 years 1.5 guaranteed), and a couple of others I've missed.

Some other R2/undrafteds (Robert Upshaw, Cliff Alexander, etc.) have also made teams (but w/ contracts that resemble those of previous years).

Thoughts...?

This is an interesting trend that makes a lot of sense. Rather than pay journeyman players more $ to warm the bench or play spot minutes, make and a small, non-guaranteed investment in overlooked players who look they could easily be drafted in a draft re-do and be total steals for the team. The best values to be had are at the Guard and Forward positions

Our Ernest is a retread player guy all the way, who is around? who is available? not "hey, this guy may be worth giving a shot-to on a non-guaranteed deal.

#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

I wonder if being a former player make EG(and some other GMs) more likely to sign a re-tread than GMs with other back-grounds.

[closg00]

EG just got out-smarted & checked. Wells will be part of the OKC camp whether he makes the team out-right or not. Per the article,
OKC will stash Wells with their D-League team if they don't have space.Meanwhile Durant has a local buddy on the team.
Next-year what will Ernie do? Look around to see who is available. EG always wraps-up his summer quickly.

Just a little baseless speculating on a slow news day
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-reports-dez-wells-will-join-oklahoma-city-thunder-for-training-camp-20150815-story.html

[payitforward]

Was it here we were discussing Ernie's aversion to R2 picks?

I thought of it as I realized how many R2 or undrafted guys this year got multiple fully-guaranteed years on 4 year contracts w/ team options in the last (or last 2) years: Jordan Mickey, Richaun Holmes, Rakeem Christmas, Jonathon Holmes (undrafted), Josh Richardson, Joseph Young, Scottie Wilbekin (undrafted), Anthony Brown (3 years), Maurice Ndour (undrafted -- 3 years 1.5 guaranteed), and a couple of others I've missed.

Some other R2/undrafteds (Robert Upshaw, Cliff Alexander, etc.) have also made teams (but w/ contracts that resemble those of previous years).

Thoughts...?

I think part of this might be in anticipation of the jump in the cap. If you can have a productive guy or two locked in at a bargain rate - that can allow you to make better use of your cap space. Even if cap space isn't terrible important to the team, a bargain contract can greatly increase a player's trade value.

I was thinking something similar -- if you have to eat a couple of cheap contracts, the rise in the cap will make that less of a problem. Lowers the cost of taking a risk.

[payitforward]

Was it here we were discussing Ernie's aversion to R2 picks?
...
Thoughts...?

This is an interesting trend that makes a lot of sense. Rather than pay journeyman players more $ to warm the bench or play spot minutes, make and a small, non-guaranteed investment in overlooked players who look they could easily be drafted in a draft re-do and be total steals for the team. The best values to be had are at the Guard and Forward positions

Our Ernest is a retread player guy all the way, who is around? who is available? not "hey, this guy may be worth giving a shot-to on a non-guaranteed deal.

#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

I wonder if being a former player make EG (and some other GMs) more likely to sign a re-tread than GMs with other back-grounds.

Verbal8 -- It's just a feeling, but I'm convinced that's true. I think a lot of the bad decisions guys like Ernie make reflect this background. Glad you brought it up.

It'd be interesting to run some regressions on GM backgrounds and effectiveness. You'd have to run some on age as well.

I don't think it's an easy job being a GM, and there's more to it than picking players: you do have to manage a complex operation and a bunch of people. Still, if you aren't particularly good at picking players no other talents can make up the deficit.

[dckingsfan]

Sadly this thread needs to rear it's ugly head - other poor off-season by EG

[WizTom]

Announcer: "Paging Danny Ferry. Danny Ferry, please report to the Phone Booth immediately."

[dckingsfan]

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How about a Subject of: Grunfeld an Average GM Doing a Mediocre Job

[FAH1223]

Announcer: "Paging Danny Ferry. Danny Ferry, please report to the Phone Booth immediately."

Would be such an upgrade...

[closg00]

FAH1223, with Millie's thread approaching a reboot at 100, could you rename this thread something similar to his thread?

[fishercob]

Announcer: "Paging Danny Ferry. Danny Ferry, please report to the Phone Booth immediately."

Would be such an upgrade...

And makes so much damn sense. Ferry's obvious ties to DC (Dematha alum) and the organization (his dad, former GM Bob); Ferry's recent track record of rebuilding a perpetually mediocrity treadmill team into an East power; his ties to San Antonio. He's the right combo of "old school former player" with modern outside-the-box thinking.

It makes tons of sense -- so it obviously won't happen.

[AFM]

Hire CCJ, nate, and TSW as GM.
Hire PIF as the negotiator. He will bore the other GMs to death. "Fine, you can have Cousins for Porter and a protected 2nd rounder, just promise to never call me again."