Ben Simmons

[GimmeDat]

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God I hate our commentators.

[splendidham]

Through 5 games, Ben led the team in scoring, rebounding, assists, blocks, steals and FG%. Don't know his exact numbers yet though.
Also, Reload, gotta agree with you, the commentary was atrocious


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[Rastas]

Through 5 games, Ben led the team in scoring, rebounding, assists, blocks, steals and FG%. Don't know his exact numbers yet though.
Also, Reload, gotta agree with you, the commentary was atrocious


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Can only think of 1 other individual who consistantly does that.

I believe this kid will give us a glimpse at what Lebron would have been like if he did a year in college , similar BBIQ's and
elite vision and passing , both are naturally ambidextrous and unstoppable freight trains in the open court .

Of course he dosent have Lebron level athleticism (who does), but he has everything else , you can tell he has modelled his
game on Bron's and after watching LSU in these 5 pre season games they are going to be a fun team to watch this season.

[RSCD3_]

I think its pretty amazing how people talk so definitive like its all set in stone.

Lebron had no 3pt shot coming into the NBA.. when rested and able to pick his shots he is a 40% shooter from 3 now
KD had no handles and couldnt really create for his Teammates ... he has good handles now and is the second best wing assistman in the nba

It seems as some here havent heard: 18-19yo Kids do improve alot more often than not^^

Ben is very fast for his size and has great body control/coordinaton. I dont see a reason why he shouldnt be able to find ways to create his offense from the wing/in halfcourt.

Fast First step isnt EVERYTHING. Lebron,Kobe,MJ type of drives arent the only way to score^^
look at guys like Paul Pierce or Melo. Ben is propably more athletic and faster than both at the same age. Those two clearly arent good scorers right? oh wait...

My Point is even he maybe does not have GOAT Level Offensive skills that doesnt mean he cant develop into a very good scorer.

In the right offense he can score 12-14ppg on Transition and straight drives alone. I think he can develop a half court game good enough to get him another 5-10 points^^

He likley never will score 30ppg but not everyone does^^ and not everyone has to.

I see him averaging 18-22 for his career 24 in his prime. Not an elite 28-32ppg scorer but solid enough considering all else he brings.

Don't know what you mean here Carmelo and Pierce have exceptionally fast first steps.



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[LeonJordanJr24]

Can Ben Simmons play NBA point guard? I know Magic is once in a lifetime player but could Simmons become a Magic- ite lead guard with elite athleticism and a better shoot ? He already has a good handle and nice vision for his age. He seems like a guy who will do well in the nba with the ball in his hands so he quite possibility could be a point guard in the right system. He is quick and athletic to boot. Playing a Lebron type creating role on offense .

[crazy_me_87]

I think its pretty amazing how people talk so definitive like its all set in stone.

Lebron had no 3pt shot coming into the NBA.. when rested and able to pick his shots he is a 40% shooter from 3 now
KD had no handles and couldnt really create for his Teammates ... he has good handles now and is the second best wing assistman in the nba

It seems as some here havent heard: 18-19yo Kids do improve alot more often than not^^

Ben is very fast for his size and has great body control/coordinaton. I dont see a reason why he shouldnt be able to find ways to create his offense from the wing/in halfcourt.

Fast First step isnt EVERYTHING. Lebron,Kobe,MJ type of drives arent the only way to score^^
look at guys like Paul Pierce or Melo. Ben is propably more athletic and faster than both at the same age. Those two clearly arent good scorers right? oh wait...

My Point is even he maybe does not have GOAT Level Offensive skills that doesnt mean he cant develop into a very good scorer.

In the right offense he can score 12-14ppg on Transition and straight drives alone. I think he can develop a half court game good enough to get him another 5-10 points^^

He likley never will score 30ppg but not everyone does^^ and not everyone has to.

I see him averaging 18-22 for his career 24 in his prime. Not an elite 28-32ppg scorer but solid enough considering all else he brings.

Don't know what you mean here Carmelo and Pierce have exceptionally fast first steps.



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I dont know about "exceptionally"

Is Ben really slower than either of them? i highly doubt that.

[crazy_me_87]

Can Ben Simmons play NBA point guard? I know Magic is once in a lifetime player but could Simmons become a Magic- ite lead guard with elite athleticism and a better shoot ? He already has a good handle and nice vision for his age. He seems like a guy who will do well in the nba with the ball in his hands so he quite possibility could be a point guard in the right system. He is quick and athletic to boot. Playing a Lebron type creating role on offense .

I think he could offensivly. as could Lebron(with ease) and it would create nightmarish mismatches if the opposing PG(even the tallest opposing PGs are 6'5-6'6)guards him..

BUT. As Magic did back then he would have problems on defense. Magic was totally lost often guarding smaller faster PGs. and in the 80s there where barley any of those hyperathletic,ultra fast PGs around like they are today.

I wouldnt want Ben to chase the Westbrooks,Currys,Irvings,Lillards etc around on a nightly basis.

I mean even Lebron swtched to SF after his Rookie year(he played PG most of his Rookie season) because it wasnt working on defense. even Lebron who is quite abit faster than Ben cant guard opposing PGs for a whole Game(he can for spurts.. see 2011 Rose etc).. let alone EVERY Game. So Ben would get killed on defense.

So yeah basically he would wreak extreme havoc on offense while the opposing PG could wreak simillar havoc on Ben's Teams Defense

So while its an fascinating thought it propably wouldnt work well.

If he is as quick as he looks at times and as athletic(41' Vertical) he will cause enough Missmatches at SF/PF

[Dr Positivity]

I haven't dug into this draft class a lot but a SF/PF tweener, ok athleticism, poor outside shooting rings off warning bells for me no matter how how his IQ is. Sounds like somewhere between Lyles and Odom

[deflated]

I haven't dug into this draft class a lot but a SF/PF tweener, ok athleticism, poor outside shooting rings off warning bells for me no matter how how his IQ is. Sounds like somewhere between Lyles and Odom

Would you be happier if he was a PF with good athleticism, an okay jump shot and elite passing & court sense? I'm not really seeing him as a tweener, I'm not seeing anything irretrievably broken in his shooting and I am seeing some outstanding play in transition and as a facilitator.

[GimmeDat]

Exactly, his athleticism is seemingly underrated, and he's not a poor shooter by any means. In the game I was able to see (his worst performance of the whole tour), at least half his points were from jumpers, including 2 three's.

I don't want to tangent the discussion too much, but can we address the 'SF/PF tweener' label? The only bad tweeners that come to mind are Derrick Williams and Michael Beasley, there's probably more I'm not thinking of but they're few and far between. Williams doesn't have the skill-set to succeed at either position, and Beasley would not be a bust if his head was on straight.

The main reasons why he won't be a 'bad tweener'? Because he has legit PF size and rebounds like a legit PF.

[crazy_me_87]

Exactly, his athleticism is seemingly underrated, and he's not a poor shooter by any means. In the game I was able to see (his worst performance of the whole tour), at least half his points were from jumpers, including 2 three's.

I don't want to tangent the discussion too much, but can we address the 'SF/PF tweener' label? The only bad tweeners that come to mind are Derrick Williams and Michael Beasley, there's probably more I'm not thinking of but they're few and far between. Williams doesn't have the skill-set to succeed at either position, and Beasley would not be a bust if his head was on straight.

The main reasons why he won't be a 'bad tweener'? Because he has legit PF size and rebounds like a legit PF.

I can totally agree with any of this

His athletism gets underrated because of his comparison to Lebron or T-Mac. compared to those two he falls off.. but that doesnt mean he is only an "Ok" athlete. for a 6'10 Guy he is fast as hell,has great hand/eye coordination and has a 41' Vertical.
Thats a very good athlete right there. Not Lebron level but seriously who is? thats unfair^^

I think your assesment on the "tweener" debate is fine. Williams is not sucsessfull because he lacks the true perimeter skills Ben has. and Beasley yeah.. i mean he averaged 19/6/3 in his best season... the Talent is clearly there. If his head was straight he would have been a superstar.

Tweener or not a hard working/focused Beasley averages 26/8/4 .. he propably would not be that great on defense but hell with his offensive talent.. who cares

I think Ben will be totally fine. People are afraid of him maybe beeing a tweener. But he will be a good tweener. He is faster than most SFs even in the NBA and has great handles... so he will be fine as SF... and at PF he is tall enough to not have a size disatvantage(6'10 230 are great measurements for a 19yo PF)and he would be a nightmare for slower PFs to defend.

bad tweeners usually have heavy disatvantages on both positions they can play. a bad tweener is too slow and lacks handles for SF but is too small and weak for PF. Ben has neither of those problems.

[Rastas]

So wich teams will be in the hunt / tank for a 6'-10" point forward?

[DeBlazerRiddem]

So wich teams will be in the hunt / tank for a 6'-10" point forward?

Blazers. I would love to have another point forward next to Lillard (an improved version of Batum), as Lillard always scores better when he is able to get off ball.

[Waynearchetype]

So wich teams will be in the hunt / tank for a 6'-10" point forward?

Lillard's playmaking SF got traded, sounds like a match made in heaven.

[Marcus]

So wich teams will be in the hunt / tank for a 6'-10" point forward?

the 2017 class might be better to tank for.

[splendidham]

Finally got some stats available

"@GoodmanESPN: LSU frosh Ben Simmons stats on team’s recent trip to Australia: 20 ppg, 9 rpg, 5.4 apg, 3.6 spg. Did commit 25 turnovers in five games."

I'll add that he also averaged 2 bpg.


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[crazy_me_87]

Finally got some stats available

"@GoodmanESPN: LSU frosh Ben Simmons stats on team’s recent trip to Australia: 20 ppg, 9 rpg, 5.4 apg, 3.6 spg. Did commit 25 turnovers in five games."

I'll add that he also averaged 2 bpg.


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ok while 5/tpg are of course to much but lets negate that for a second

now imagine he would do 20/9/5/2.5/1.5 over his college season. Wouldnt that make him a truly special freshman? what do you think it would do to his hype if he averages those numbers for a season?

[No-Man]

So wich teams will be in the hunt / tank for a 6'-10" point forward?

Lillard's playmaking SF got traded, sounds like a match made in heaven.

You already got Davis and Vonleh who are clearly PFs, Ingram is a better fit for Portland going forward.
I think best case scenario for Simmons is Denver, Boston (via Brooklyn).

[EMG518]

So wich teams will be in the hunt / tank for a 6'-10" point forward?

Lillard's playmaking SF got traded, sounds like a match made in heaven.

You already got Davis and Vonleh who are clearly PFs, Ingram is a better fit for Portland going forward.
I think best case scenario for Simmons is Denver, Boston (via Brooklyn).

Nobody is making a draft choice based on having Ed Davis and Noah Vonleh rostered.