Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[NTB]

I think it is not just stupidity. He is doing all these tweets and stuff with bad intentions.

Is that you, Steve?

Hahaha I guess you mean Steve Albert. He came to my mind too when i typed that.

[Frank Lee]

The Morrii aren't bad guys. They're just idiots, there's a big difference.

And idiots who aren't humble are just a-holes. That's pretty much the Morrii.

Beating people up IS pretty idiotic

[batsmasher]

Beating people up IS pretty idiotic

It's not like they beat up some rand off the street for kicks. They're blindly loyal to their family (obviously) and aren't smart enough to deal with the problem (supposed mama knock up) in a better way.

They're not puppy killers or wife beaters. They're just plain stupid.

[carey]

Lowe is weighing in on the Markieff bull now: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-curious-case-of-markieff-morris/?ex_cid=story-twitter

Morris could transform himself into a really good player for the modern, pace-and-space, switch-everything NBA, and he’s just starting a four-year, $32 million contract. In a league where contracts are short and starters will soon be earning almost $15 million on average, that deal is like gold bullion. There is not much risk in trumping a tepid trade market to take a shot on Morris.

We all know the obvious suspects by now. Toronto and Boston have so-so starting power forwards and extra picks, but I’m not sure either sees Morris as an upgrade. And not even Boston, hoarding so many picks in every draft range, is coughing up a first-rounder for Morris right now. Detroit has Marcus Morris, and a decent power forward in Ersan Ilyasova whose salary matches Markieff Morris’s almost exactly. (Perhaps the Pistons agree with Phoenix that the twins may be better off separated.) The Lakers need help everywhere, the Hornets have an easy trade package in Cody Zeller and Jeremy Lamb, and the Blazers have the cap space to absorb Morris without trading anyone. They also have a zillion other young bigs who need minutes, and there are potential fit issues in some of those other places.

[NavLDO]

Is Hornacek communicating with a different Markieff? Because I think Kieff was pretty clear when he stated his future was not in Phoenix.

That said, what Horny stated does have merit--once he gets out on the court, and starts playing with his teammates, it's hard to not want to play for them. I don't think Kieff is selfish enough to 'tank' his play and affect his teammates chance at success. I hope I'm not wrong in that assessment, but at the end of the day, if when the season starts, Kieff still isn't 'on-board' and giving his all, then I suspect Horny will know and yank him. His teammates will know as well, and I suspect they will keep him in line.

But if Kieff is all about 'saving face', then he may not show up at all--who knows? If that happens, then he will be 'screwing' with the Suns, and at that point, would expect he's traded for peanuts ASAP.

Well he has to show up. These aren't voluntary workouts, these are training camps which all NBA players on an NBA roster MUST show up for. If he doesn't show up, it would be like not showing up to practice or not showing up to games. He would be disciplined appropriately.

He says his future isn't with the Suns but that's likely a medium-long term view. Only we can make things happen.

And that's where my confusion starts; if he doesn't show up, what is the discipline? What can the Suns do IRT his contract? I know we 'hold all the cards', but what does that mean, per the CBA?

I think that will go a long way in determining whether he shows or not. If it's just some fines, but doesn't invalidate/void his contract, he might just be stupid enough to do that. He knows once he's shown up, he's already lost some 'face', as well as, what has been mentioned, he knows that he'll find it difficult to 'not' try hard for his teammates, and fall into a rhythm, and further 'lose face' with his whole #FOE thing.

[King4Day]

I still can't get used to these Unis. They still have that Wal-Martesque to them.

I wish they'd go back to the Nash-era uni's. They were more comfortable and easier on the eyes.

[aIvin adams]

I don't have much opinion on jerseys either way.

But I'm very happy that the Suns are trying to include more purple. The Halloween thing was unfamiliar. All Suns fans identify the team with purple.

[King4Day]

Lowe is weighing in on the Markieff bull now: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-curious-case-of-markieff-morris/?ex_cid=story-twitter

Morris could transform himself into a really good player for the modern, pace-and-space, switch-everything NBA, and he’s just starting a four-year, $32 million contract. In a league where contracts are short and starters will soon be earning almost $15 million on average, that deal is like gold bullion. There is not much risk in trumping a tepid trade market to take a shot on Morris.

We all know the obvious suspects by now. Toronto and Boston have so-so starting power forwards and extra picks, but I’m not sure either sees Morris as an upgrade. And not even Boston, hoarding so many picks in every draft range, is coughing up a first-rounder for Morris right now. Detroit has Marcus Morris, and a decent power forward in Ersan Ilyasova whose salary matches Markieff Morris’s almost exactly. (Perhaps the Pistons agree with Phoenix that the twins may be better off separated.) The Lakers need help everywhere, the Hornets have an easy trade package in Cody Zeller and Jeremy Lamb, and the Blazers have the cap space to absorb Morris without trading anyone. They also have a zillion other young bigs who need minutes, and there are potential fit issues in some of those other places.

That snippet explains why the Suns should just hold onto him, to a tee.

[RunDogGun]

Beating people up IS pretty idiotic

It's not like they beat up some rand off the street for kicks. They're blindly loyal to their family (obviously) and aren't smart enough to deal with the problem (supposed mama knock up) in a better way.

They're not puppy killers or wife beaters. They're just plain stupid.

Oh Frank. Still going off rumor? Our only known witness said that Markieff wasn't involved in the fight. But I would agree they were stupid to even be in the situation.

[ShawnBronald]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/642035689048145920[/tweet]

[Bogyo]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/642035689048145920[/tweet]

Eff this clown. I swear I would be OK with the Suns telling him to stay home, and do nothing until his contract expires. I just simply loathe these kind of dumbasses - although this would not be a good enough punishment... I d love to see him go to jail actually, and we could tear his contract up.
Stpd mo'fo'

[ShawnBronald]

He's obligated to play for the Suns. If they have to suspend him, I believe they can do so without pay. Tell him he has to show up and play. If he doesn't, suspend him without pay. If he does, but acts childish and causes problems with the team, staff, coaches, front office, fans, etc..... suspend him without pay. Seems pretty simple to me. It's apparent the league is already behind us on this and I'm not sure how far the player's association wants to go to defend a moron.

Update:
Ha! Gambo getting in on this, too, though I don't understand Keef's replies. Seems like he is confused.....

[Damkac]

Please stop with the "Marcus made me do it' defense.

These assclowns have been prima donna thugdivas going back to Kansas.

Totally agree. Anyone who actually believes Markieff will change because his brother is not around is living in an alternate reality. Look at it logically. Those guys are probably as close as siblings can get. They do everything together and virtually share one brain. Markieff does not want to be in Phoenix. Do you actually think he is going to show up to training camp, see the rest of the guys, and say forget how I have felt my entire life, I want to play my hardest and win a championship with Bledsoe, Knight, etc.? No way.

Markieff's attitude WILL NOT CHANGE. Almost every time he posts a tweet he ends it with #FOE. He is not saying it for fun. That is how he feels. Plus, he is an idiot. Any NBA player that mocks the league he plays in and is blatantly disrespectful to the extent Markieff is, is a moron.

The Suns organization would have to be the dumbest in sports if they think he is going to change. Seriously it is over. He is who he is. A self absorbed, immature lunatic who has no business being in a Suns uniform. Not only does he have on the court and off the court problems, he thinks he is so much better than he really is. And if people think he is not replaceable by any power forward who will play hard every night, they are kidding themselves.

Agree x1000
I said many times I want to see him traded but I want to say it again every time I visit this thread. If we can get good return for him then it's great but I would rather give him away for free than keep him on this team. I can't understand how anyone can still want to keep this clown. If I read next day that he was traded for bag of potatos I will be 100% satisfied. I'm sick of all those BS from last season. I want team with good chemistry without any whining bit#es. I want this more than making the playoffs.[/rage mode]

[bigfoot]

Beating people up IS pretty idiotic

It's not like they beat up some rand off the street for kicks. They're blindly loyal to their family (obviously) and aren't smart enough to deal with the problem (supposed mama knock up) in a better way.

They're not puppy killers or wife beaters. They're just plain stupid.

Oh Frank. Still going off rumor? Our only known witness said that Markieff wasn't involved in the fight. But I would agree they were stupid to even be in the situation.

Wait ... didn't you forget two other witnesses? The guy who got attacked and his girlfriend.

[ShawnBronald]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/642062664751931392[/tweet]

[bwgood77]

I just wish Gambo would cut that crap out. He looks like an idiot too. Markieff doesn't have to accept an apology. As a matter of fact, there is no reason for us to apologize anyway.

He just needs to show up to training camp and play if he wants to be traded. What a baby.

[RunDogGun]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/642062664751931392[/tweet]

I'm surprised Keef hasn't blocked Gambo, after his brother's run in. FOE, right?

The notebook comment was funny though.

[RunDogGun]

I just wish Gambo would cut that crap out. He looks like an idiot too. Markieff doesn't have to accept an apology. As a matter of fact, there is no reason for us to apologize anyway.

He just needs to show up to training camp and play if he wants to be traded. What a baby.

Gambo isn't the pillar of maturity. But it would be funny if he shows up to the airport in the limo, on the day Keef has to report.

We don't need to apologize for anything. They made their own bed, and this is a business. I don't see either Ryan or Jeff apologizing for anything.

[RunDogGun]

It's not like they beat up some rand off the street for kicks. They're blindly loyal to their family (obviously) and aren't smart enough to deal with the problem (supposed mama knock up) in a better way.

They're not puppy killers or wife beaters. They're just plain stupid.

Oh Frank. Still going off rumor? Our only known witness said that Markieff wasn't involved in the fight. But I would agree they were stupid to even be in the situation.

Wait ... didn't you forget two other witnesses? The guy who got attacked and his girlfriend.

Actually no witness other than those two can put the twins in the area where Hood said they were. But never the less, they were/are stupid for putting themselves in this situation.

[Jarlaxle0204]

I cannot wait for the circus that will be media day with this guy. It's going to be epic.