OT: Derrick Rose accused of rape.

[And100]

Rose doesn't strike me as dumb as some of you are making him out to be.

Not suggesting he's getting a job with NASA anytime soon, but after a lifetime watching athlete interviews across all sports, Rose doesn't seem extraordinary in the least.

Knicks fan confirmation bias seems as play here.

[Greenie]

Rose doesn't strike me as dumb as some of you are making him out to be.

Not suggesting he's getting a job with NASA anytime soon, but after a lifetime watching athlete interviews across all sports, Rose doesn't seem extraordinary in the least.

Knicks fan confirmation bias seems as play here.

Nah, I actually liked Rose. Wanted him here(made a thread about him). He was my favorite player after Melo. The boy is dumb. Always has been and he has the resources to better himself but people around him don't seem to push him to do so.

Having money and being dumb as a rock doesn't mix. Rose is not even street smart(common sense).

[Thorn]

Rose doesn't strike me as dumb as some of you are making him out to be.

Not suggesting he's getting a job with NASA anytime soon, but after a lifetime watching athlete interviews across all sports, Rose doesn't seem extraordinary in the least.

Knicks fan confirmation bias seems as play here.

The guy was accused of rape, group sex, and refusing to pay for a sex toy...

He admitted publicly to having group sex, and living an alternate lifestyle, one that might be deemed unwholesome to many of his fans, and fans of the NBA, he did so willingly. He also put himself at the scene of the alleged incident and corroborated his involvement with the woman in question... speaking at length about his role and involvement.

His defense was "Nah she is just mad because I refused to pay for her dildo we used during group sex.

Forget everything else in this thread, just think about that. His image is going to be tarnished, and his defense is... it was because he refused to pay for a dildo... "Dildo Derrick"... that should be his new nickname.

He should have kept his mouth shut, hired a lawyer, and a PR person. They should have alerted the league, and should have released an official statement that did not give up so much information... this could have (I am willing to bet) been settled out of court or at least behind closed doors with out an NBA star making THOSE kinds of statements.

There is no Knick bias I am talking common sense for ANYONE in the public eye who has a career with a clause about integrity. HE can at least be fined $50,000. A drop in the bucket maybe, but we do not know how far this will go and what else he will lose.

I would dislike this for anyone in the NBA, it is a poor move to "save face".

[And100]

Rose doesn't strike me as dumb as some of you are making him out to be.

Not suggesting he's getting a job with NASA anytime soon, but after a lifetime watching athlete interviews across all sports, Rose doesn't seem extraordinary in the least.

Knicks fan confirmation bias seems as play here.

The guy was accused of rape, group sex, and refusing to pay for a sex toy...

He admitted publicly to having group sex, and living an alternate lifestyle, one that might be deemed unwholesome to many of his fans, and fans of the NBA, he did so willingly. He also put himself at the scene of the alleged incident and corroborated his involvement with the woman in question... speaking at length about his role and involvement.

His defense was "Nah she is just mad because I refused to pay for her dildo we used during group sex.

Forget everything else in this thread, just think about that. His image is going to be tarnished, and his defense is... it was because he refused to pay for a dildo... "Dildo Derrick"... that should be his new nickname.

He should have kept his mouth shut, hired a lawyer, and a PR person. They should have alerted the league, and should have released an official statement that did not give up so much information... this could have (I am willing to bet) been settled out of court or at least behind closed doors with out an NBA star making THOSE kinds of statements.

You ironically didn't read the story you are citing.

He did hire a lawyer. He didn't say those things publicly to TMZ or anyone else.

...this according to court docs obtained by TMZ Sports.

In the docs, Rose says the woman only began to get upset with him a few weeks or months later because she felt she should have been reimbursed for one of the sex toys she bought and used during the night in question.

He's been accused of a serious crime.

This is part of his defense. If true, submitting it as his defense in court documents was unavoidable and perhaps necessary.

[Thorn]

Rose doesn't strike me as dumb as some of you are making him out to be.

Not suggesting he's getting a job with NASA anytime soon, but after a lifetime watching athlete interviews across all sports, Rose doesn't seem extraordinary in the least.

Knicks fan confirmation bias seems as play here.

The guy was accused of rape, group sex, and refusing to pay for a sex toy...

He admitted publicly to having group sex, and living an alternate lifestyle, one that might be deemed unwholesome to many of his fans, and fans of the NBA, he did so willingly. He also put himself at the scene of the alleged incident and corroborated his involvement with the woman in question... speaking at length about his role and involvement.

His defense was "Nah she is just mad because I refused to pay for her dildo we used during group sex.

Forget everything else in this thread, just think about that. His image is going to be tarnished, and his defense is... it was because he refused to pay for a dildo... "Dildo Derrick"... that should be his new nickname.

He should have kept his mouth shut, hired a lawyer, and a PR person. They should have alerted the league, and should have released an official statement that did not give up so much information... this could have (I am willing to bet) been settled out of court or at least behind closed doors with out an NBA star making THOSE kinds of statements.

You ironically didn't read the story you are citing.

He did hire a lawyer. He didn't say those things publicly to TMZ or anyone else.

...this according to court docs obtained by TMZ Sports.

He's been accused of a serious crime.

This is part of his defense. If true, submitting it as his defense in court documents was unavoidable and perhaps necessary.

I did, I am guilty of not paying enough attention to the details... or worse reading but not giving a crap.

I am glad however he is not on record as saying this without legal council and if his lawyer said this... I have to question his skills in the court room.

Thanks for clearing that up though seriously, I was incensed.

[Capn'O]

How much you wanna bet it was my boo... Noah?

That actually seems like a good bet. He's got the gravitas to make a move like that.

I would kill to have Noah on this team. Please get him Phil. I'll be good, I promise.

I hope he can get healthy and return to form.

That said, you will be an easy convert to Team RoLo.

[Greenie]

That actually seems like a good bet. He's got the gravitas to make a move like that.

I would kill to have Noah on this team. Please get him Phil. I'll be good, I promise.

I hope he can get healthy and return to form.

That said, you will be an easy convert to Team RoLo.

I'm gonna trade him for Noah.

[And100]

I am glad however he is not on record as saying this without legal council and if his lawyer said this... I have to question his skills in the court room.

Not certain how either of us could make that judgment. It's pretty clear sex acts took place, apparently with one woman and multiple men. Seems like a fine line exists here and if I were Rose or his lawyer, I not sure I'd be holding back details or any shred of evidence given the seriousness of the charges.

The possibility remains Rose/his lawyer's version of the events are both true and relevant. IF so, not sure I'd advise sitting on pertinent details in some PR-centric strategy.

[Capn'O]

I would kill to have Noah on this team. Please get him Phil. I'll be good, I promise.

I hope he can get healthy and return to form.

That said, you will be an easy convert to Team RoLo.

I'm gonna trade him for Noah.

I'm about as big a RoLo fan as there is but yeah... for a _healthy_ Noah you don't think twice about that + another piece.

[SelbyCobra]

I definitely think there's something...different...about Rose. Whether it's the rumors of him having Asperger's being true, having other social/anxiety issues, not being sharp/quick with words, or simply being dumb, I'll probably never know. But something has always seemed a little off about him to me.

[Thorn]

I am glad however he is not on record as saying this without legal council and if his lawyer said this... I have to question his skills in the court room.

Not certain how either of us could make that judgment. It's pretty clear sex acts took place, apparently with one woman and multiple men. Seems like a fine line exists here and if I were Rose or his lawyer, I not sure I'd be holding back details or any shred of evidence given the seriousness of the charges.

The possibility remains Rose/his lawyer's version of the events are both true and relevant. IF so, not sure I'd advise sitting on pertinent details in some PR-centric strategy.

Meh I would rather bank on the entire thing being nonsense until I hear it officially from credible sources at this point. When it comes right down to it, if it is not officially out of his mouth... I would rather wait until it is released to the media officially. At the end of the day it could be anything, but in no way am I biased against him. I just simply found this line of defense questionable, and while you have said it might have been nescesary I again am not sure to your point above even that could be proven right now it is speculation so best to wait on everything to be aired publicly.

We see officially what all parties have to say and weigh in at that time.

Right now, I am in the camp that says the dildo defense does not make a lot of sense if you are an NBA player IF that is legitimate and if THAT IS the best shot you have, you are potentially in trouble.

[And100]

I am glad however he is not on record as saying this without legal council and if his lawyer said this... I have to question his skills in the court room.

Not certain how either of us could make that judgment. It's pretty clear sex acts took place, apparently with one woman and multiple men. Seems like a fine line exists here and if I were Rose or his lawyer, I not sure I'd be holding back details or any shred of evidence given the seriousness of the charges.

The possibility remains Rose/his lawyer's version of the events are both true and relevant. IF so, not sure I'd advise sitting on pertinent details in some PR-centric strategy.

Meh I would rather bank on the entire thing being nonsense until I hear it officially from credible sources at this point. When it comes right down to it, if it is not officially out of his mouth... I would rather wait until it is released to the media officially. At the end of the day it could be anything, but in no way am I biased against him. I just simply found this line of defense questionable, and while you have said it might have been nescesary I again am not sure to your point above even that could be proven right now it is speculation so best to wait on everything to be aired publicly.

We see officially what all parties have to say and weigh in at that time.

Right now, I am in the camp that says the dildo defense does not make a lot of sense if you are an NBA player IF that is legitimate and if THAT IS the best shot you have, you are potentially in trouble.

I have almost no interest in this matter, so I too am not using it to evaluate Rose's mental facilities, which plays into my first post.

But I still don't understand your point. The possibility remains that Rose is telling the truth, that this woman was spurned after the fact and his being vindictive and opportunistic and if he has texts demonstrating this woman asking for and expressing displeasure over not being compensated for sex toys, that would be pertinent to his defense.

He's facing prison time and the end of his NBA career if convicted of a crime and/or an enormous settlement in a civil case. I'm not sure withholding facts is advisable in such a matter.

I might agree with you if ultimately determined the sex toy thing was manufactured by his defense team. But if it actually occurred, they'd be stupid not to reveal it.

As you say, we just don't know.

[Capn'O]

I tend to agree that if his legal team is conceding this much there has to be a good reason for it. That business about her being able to go to work the next day as though it's some kind of argument either way is cringeworthy.

[And100]

I tend to agree that if his legal team is conceding this much there has to be a good reason for it. That business about her being able to go to work the next day as though it's some kind of argument either way is cringeworthy.

If I remember correctly, this was a few years back so it's unlikely there is any forensic evidence.

And if there are multiple men involved as participants/eye witnesses, how could Rose possibly know which way each will respond to this matter? I'm not an advocate of placing the burden on the victim, but establishing there was a victim is a legitimate threshold in question. Our system does place the burden on the accuser despite whatever the nature of the accusation.

If the woman did exhibit a pattern of normal social behavior afterwards, I can see how a defense team would gravitate towards it, considering the case may boil down to she said/a bunch of he's said.

[Capn'O]

I tend to agree that if his legal team is conceding this much there has to be a good reason for it. That business about her being able to go to work the next day as though it's some kind of argument either way is cringeworthy.

If I remember correctly, this was a few years back so it's unlikely there is any forensic evidence.

And if there are multiple men involved as participants/eye witnesses, how could Rose possibly know which way each will respond to this matter? I'm not an advocate of placing the burden on the victim, but establishing there was a victim is a legitimate threshold in question. Our system does place the burden on the accuser despite whatever the nature of the accusation.

If the woman did exhibit a pattern of normal social behavior afterwards, I can see how a defense team would gravitate towards it, considering the case may boil down to she said/a bunch of he's said.

If they wanted to make that part of the argument, that's exactly how they should have phrased it at the onset. Not exactly rocket surgery to come up with, no offense

[And100]

I tend to agree that if his legal team is conceding this much there has to be a good reason for it. That business about her being able to go to work the next day as though it's some kind of argument either way is cringeworthy.

If I remember correctly, this was a few years back so it's unlikely there is any forensic evidence.

And if there are multiple men involved as participants/eye witnesses, how could Rose possibly know which way each will respond to this matter? I'm not an advocate of placing the burden on the victim, but establishing there was a victim is a legitimate threshold in question. Our system does place the burden on the accuser despite whatever the nature of the accusation.

If the woman did exhibit a pattern of normal social behavior afterwards, I can see how a defense team would gravitate towards it, considering the case may boil down to she said/a bunch of he's said.

If they wanted to make that part of the argument, that's exactly how they should have phrased it at the onset. Not exactly rocket surgery to come up with, no offense

We don't l know how they phrased it or what the full documents argue.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Rose doesn't strike me as dumb as some of you are making him out to be.

Not suggesting he's getting a job with NASA anytime soon, but after a lifetime watching athlete interviews across all sports, Rose doesn't seem extraordinary in the least.

Knicks fan confirmation bias seems as play here.

Nah, I actually liked Rose. Wanted him here(made a thread about him). He was my favorite player after Melo. The boy is dumb. Always has been and he has the resources to better himself but people around him don't seem to push him to do so.

Having money and being dumb as a rock doesn't mix. Rose is not even street smart(common sense).

There is a pretty long history of him saying stupid things / just being stupid. Not sure what And100 is talking about, because if he's followed the Bulls at all since he's come to the NBA, he would have realized that he has said stupid things left and right since entering the league.

Oh yeah, and then there's the whole issue that he didn't take the SATs (probably out of fear that he wouldn't get he score needed to get into Memphis...).

[Capn'O]

If I remember correctly, this was a few years back so it's unlikely there is any forensic evidence.

And if there are multiple men involved as participants/eye witnesses, how could Rose possibly know which way each will respond to this matter? I'm not an advocate of placing the burden on the victim, but establishing there was a victim is a legitimate threshold in question. Our system does place the burden on the accuser despite whatever the nature of the accusation.

If the woman did exhibit a pattern of normal social behavior afterwards, I can see how a defense team would gravitate towards it, considering the case may boil down to she said/a bunch of he's said.

If they wanted to make that part of the argument, that's exactly how they should have phrased it at the onset. Not exactly rocket surgery to come up with, no offense

We don't l know how they phrased it or what the full documents argue.

Whatchoo mean "we?"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/283144436/Jane-Doe-vs-Derrick-Rose-Et-Al-Answers-and-Affirmative-Def

[Clyde_Style]

Rose has always had a slightly glazed look and a time delayed speech pattern from the very beginning. It's not like NASA was his Plan B.

[Sark]

Is it really questionable how dumb he is? Running trains on girls with your boys is not the act of an intelligent person. I seriously doubt people in Mensa are running trains on girls with their boys.